Mattmany more reasons than that were posted
Majority of reasons were "counters/is annoying to scouts".
I already responded to the two people who, imo, provided actual potential issues.
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[quote=Matt]many more reasons than that were posted[/quote]Majority of reasons were "counters/is annoying to scouts".
I already responded to the two people who, imo, provided actual potential issues.
I already responded to the two people who, imo, provided actual potential issues.
brownymasterThe potential issues are obvious when you come across them in game. Takes 3 rockets to kill one if it deploys after the first rocket, effectively reducing you to 1 rocket to fight the engineer which you probably used before deployment. It's detrimental to scouts and soldiers, and probably would be too for Pyros/Medics. It's ability to tank up to 199 damage is really bad for 6's gameplay.
You'd be right if it took three rockets to kill one. It always takes two.
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Unless it can regen 90 HP in the span of a second which it can't.
[quote=brownymaster]The potential issues are obvious when you come across them in game. Takes 3 rockets to kill one if it deploys after the first rocket, effectively reducing you to 1 rocket to fight the engineer which you probably used before deployment. It's detrimental to scouts and soldiers, and probably would be too for Pyros/Medics. It's ability to tank up to 199 damage is really bad for 6's gameplay.[/quote] You'd be right if it took three rockets to kill one. It always takes two.
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Unless it can regen 90 HP in the span of a second which it can't.
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Unless it can regen 90 HP in the span of a second which it can't.
I will list it for you if you cant read the rest of the thread,
1. Its the hard counter to scout so flank is dead,
2. If you put one in your combo have fun roamers your not getting anywhere near them,
3. Spawns with full health so you need to waste a lot of ammo on them,
4. You can build 2 in a row without having to get any metal,
5. You kill one (engy) the other gets you (mini) and because of this the mini is more or less a 7th player that has aimbot,
6. No one with any brain would ever want to face a mini engy over a level 3 engy because the mini grants a extra 25hp and you can have it within a second,
7. The gunslinger was never banned because it was ran in pairs it was banned for all the reasons I have listed and more, double engy was banned because of the gunslinger.
Hope this helps.
I will list it for you if you cant read the rest of the thread,
1. Its the hard counter to scout so flank is dead,
2. If you put one in your combo have fun roamers your not getting anywhere near them,
3. Spawns with full health so you need to waste a lot of ammo on them,
4. You can build 2 in a row without having to get any metal,
5. You kill one (engy) the other gets you (mini) and because of this the mini is more or less a 7th player that has aimbot,
6. No one with any brain would ever want to face a mini engy over a level 3 engy because the mini grants a extra 25hp and you can have it within a second,
7. The gunslinger was never banned because it was ran in pairs it was banned for all the reasons I have listed and more, double engy was banned because of the gunslinger.
Hope this helps.
1. Its the hard counter to scout so flank is dead,
2. If you put one in your combo have fun roamers your not getting anywhere near them,
3. Spawns with full health so you need to waste a lot of ammo on them,
4. You can build 2 in a row without having to get any metal,
5. You kill one (engy) the other gets you (mini) and because of this the mini is more or less a 7th player that has aimbot,
6. No one with any brain would ever want to face a mini engy over a level 3 engy because the mini grants a extra 25hp and you can have it within a second,
7. The gunslinger was never banned because it was ran in pairs it was banned for all the reasons I have listed and more, double engy was banned because of the gunslinger.
Hope this helps.
brownymasterActually, it goes to full HP on deploy (unless it was changed). Meaning any damage done to it during construction is instantly healed.
Source here if you care:
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Sentry_Gun#Combat_Mini-Sentry_Gun
So please get your facts straight before trying to dispute mine at least.
Okay.
I'll do facts.
If you hit it within the first 1/10 of its deploy time and do not hit it within the rest of its deployment, then it takes 3 rockets. Hate to break it to you, but that's fucking slow.
Almost always, Soldiers two-shot minis even while they are building because they do not regenerate fast enough.
Tino_I will list it for you if you cant read the rest of the thread,
1. Its the hard counter to scout so flank is dead,
It hard counters one Scout at a time and dies extremely easy to any other of the combat classes.
2. If you put one in your combo have fun roamers your not getting anywhere near them,
Roamers can still get close, though the mini does have some AA abilities.
3. Spawns with full health so you need to waste a lot of ammo on them,
A lot being two rockets, one pill, a sticky, or 3+ shotgun/scatter shells?
4. You can build 2 in a row without having to get any metal,
And they die just as easily if you're not a Scout.
5. You kill one (engy) the other gets you (mini) and because of this the mini is more or less a 7th player that has aimbot,
Idk about you, but unless I'm scouting, I don't find a pistol aimbot so powerful that if I kill the Engineer, I can't blow it up.
6. No one with any brain would ever want to face a mini engy over a level 3 engy because the mini grants a extra 25hp and you can have it within a second,
Less than three seconds unless hauled to the fight, which is like 1.5. I'd rather fight a 150hp rocket-less Soldier than a lvl 3, idk about you.
7. The gunslinger was never banned because it was ran in pairs it was banned for all the reasons I have listed and more, double engy was banned because of the gunslinger.
Really now. Most of these are bad reasons, and how the fuck can double Engy be banned because of the Gunslinger when the Gunslinger wasn't fucking allowed before the season in which double Engy was banned?
Hope this helps.
Not at all.
Mostly a load of shit.
[quote=brownymaster]Actually, it goes to full HP on deploy (unless it was changed). Meaning any damage done to it during construction is instantly healed.
Source here if you care:
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Sentry_Gun#Combat_Mini-Sentry_Gun
So please get your facts straight before trying to dispute mine at least.[/quote]Okay.
I'll do facts.
If you hit it within the first 1/10 of its deploy time and do not hit it within the rest of its deployment, then it takes 3 rockets. Hate to break it to you, but that's fucking slow.
Almost always, Soldiers two-shot minis even while they are building [b]because they do not regenerate fast enough[/b].
[quote=Tino_]I will list it for you if you cant read the rest of the thread,
1. Its the hard counter to scout so flank is dead,[/quote]It hard counters one Scout at a time and dies extremely easy to any other of the combat classes.
[quote]2. If you put one in your combo have fun roamers your not getting anywhere near them,[/quote]Roamers can still get close, though the mini does have some AA abilities.
[quote]3. Spawns with full health so you need to waste a lot of ammo on them,[/quote]A lot being two rockets, one pill, a sticky, or 3+ shotgun/scatter shells?
[quote]4. You can build 2 in a row without having to get any metal,[/quote]And they die just as easily if you're not a Scout.
[quote]5. You kill one (engy) the other gets you (mini) and because of this the mini is more or less a 7th player that has aimbot,[/quote]Idk about you, but unless I'm scouting, I don't find a pistol aimbot so powerful that if I kill the Engineer, I can't blow it up.
[quote]6. No one with any brain would ever want to face a mini engy over a level 3 engy because the mini grants a extra 25hp and you can have it within a second,[/quote]Less than three seconds unless hauled to the fight, which is like 1.5. I'd rather fight a 150hp rocket-less Soldier than a lvl 3, idk about you.
[quote]7. The gunslinger was never banned because it was ran in pairs it was banned for all the reasons I have listed and more, double engy was banned because of the gunslinger.[/quote]Really now. Most of these are bad reasons, and how the fuck can double Engy be banned because of the Gunslinger when the Gunslinger wasn't fucking allowed before the season in which double Engy was banned?
[quote]Hope this helps.[/quote]Not at all.
Mostly a load of shit.
Source here if you care:
http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Sentry_Gun#Combat_Mini-Sentry_Gun
So please get your facts straight before trying to dispute mine at least.[/quote]Okay.
I'll do facts.
If you hit it within the first 1/10 of its deploy time and do not hit it within the rest of its deployment, then it takes 3 rockets. Hate to break it to you, but that's fucking slow.
Almost always, Soldiers two-shot minis even while they are building [b]because they do not regenerate fast enough[/b].
[quote=Tino_]I will list it for you if you cant read the rest of the thread,
1. Its the hard counter to scout so flank is dead,[/quote]It hard counters one Scout at a time and dies extremely easy to any other of the combat classes.
[quote]2. If you put one in your combo have fun roamers your not getting anywhere near them,[/quote]Roamers can still get close, though the mini does have some AA abilities.
[quote]3. Spawns with full health so you need to waste a lot of ammo on them,[/quote]A lot being two rockets, one pill, a sticky, or 3+ shotgun/scatter shells?
[quote]4. You can build 2 in a row without having to get any metal,[/quote]And they die just as easily if you're not a Scout.
[quote]5. You kill one (engy) the other gets you (mini) and because of this the mini is more or less a 7th player that has aimbot,[/quote]Idk about you, but unless I'm scouting, I don't find a pistol aimbot so powerful that if I kill the Engineer, I can't blow it up.
[quote]6. No one with any brain would ever want to face a mini engy over a level 3 engy because the mini grants a extra 25hp and you can have it within a second,[/quote]Less than three seconds unless hauled to the fight, which is like 1.5. I'd rather fight a 150hp rocket-less Soldier than a lvl 3, idk about you.
[quote]7. The gunslinger was never banned because it was ran in pairs it was banned for all the reasons I have listed and more, double engy was banned because of the gunslinger.[/quote]Really now. Most of these are bad reasons, and how the fuck can double Engy be banned because of the Gunslinger when the Gunslinger wasn't fucking allowed before the season in which double Engy was banned?
[quote]Hope this helps.[/quote]Not at all.
Mostly a load of shit.
The mini-sentry kills any flanking/bombing ideas due to the fact that it has auto-aim. It's ability to zone efficiently with such a low cost (100 metal, low build time) lets it shut down any surprise plays. You're looking at something that will hinder one's ability to break a stalemate as well as plays that are capable of shifting momentum. Roamers already don't have the best of situation when bombing a medic and you're just adding onto it with a mini sentry.
In terms of its health, in 6v6 damage is a big factor to the game simply because of the low player count. Wasting 2 rockets, pills, shotgun shots, etc. is a loss of damage that could've went to killing a player and the fact that the engie can set down 2 of these before picking ammo means wasting additional rockets, etc.. You're taking away damage output from the other team with not setbacks and giving your team additional damage output that DOESN'T miss and soaks up damage.
TL;DR Auto-aim, alerts team to any surprises (zoning abilities), extra damage sponge/dealer for little cost.
The mini-sentry kills any flanking/bombing ideas due to the fact that it has auto-aim. It's ability to zone efficiently with such a low cost (100 metal, low build time) lets it shut down any surprise plays. You're looking at something that will hinder one's ability to break a stalemate as well as plays that are capable of shifting momentum. Roamers already don't have the best of situation when bombing a medic and you're just adding onto it with a mini sentry.
In terms of its health, in 6v6 damage is a big factor to the game simply because of the low player count. Wasting 2 rockets, pills, shotgun shots, etc. is a loss of damage that could've went to killing a player and the fact that the engie can set down 2 of these before picking ammo means wasting additional rockets, etc.. You're taking away damage output from the other team with not setbacks and giving your team additional damage output that DOESN'T miss and soaks up damage.
TL;DR Auto-aim, alerts team to any surprises (zoning abilities), extra damage sponge/dealer for little cost.
In terms of its health, in 6v6 damage is a big factor to the game simply because of the low player count. Wasting 2 rockets, pills, shotgun shots, etc. is a loss of damage that could've went to killing a player and the fact that the engie can set down 2 of these before picking ammo means wasting additional rockets, etc.. You're taking away damage output from the other team with not setbacks and giving your team additional damage output that DOESN'T miss and soaks up damage.
TL;DR Auto-aim, alerts team to any surprises (zoning abilities), extra damage sponge/dealer for little cost.
how about a new deployal method?
- when placed, they start with 1 HP
- it scales to max HP over the deploy time
- if its HP goes below or equal to 0 HP, they're destroyed
- deployal progress halts when they take damage, based on how much damage they took (matches the time it takes for the same HP to "regen" while deploying)
Not saying it would fix the minisentry's all problems, but it would make throwing them down to annoy less queer. I described the mechanics intimately, disregarding however it currently works and starting from scratch.
how about a new deployal method?
- when placed, they start with 1 HP
- it scales to max HP over the deploy time
- if its HP goes below or equal to 0 HP, they're destroyed
- deployal progress halts when they take damage, based on how much damage they took (matches the time it takes for the same HP to "regen" while deploying)
Not saying it would fix the minisentry's all problems, but it would make throwing them down to annoy less queer. I described the mechanics intimately, disregarding however it currently works and starting from scratch.
- when placed, they start with 1 HP
- it scales to max HP over the deploy time
- if its HP goes below or equal to 0 HP, they're destroyed
- deployal progress halts when they take damage, based on how much damage they took (matches the time it takes for the same HP to "regen" while deploying)
Not saying it would fix the minisentry's all problems, but it would make throwing them down to annoy less queer. I described the mechanics intimately, disregarding however it currently works and starting from scratch.
Just give it 50% of the current range and I'd be happy.
Just give it 50% of the current range and I'd be happy.
bottomline is that it's not fun to fight against an aimbot that is easy as hell to make , takes very little aim to put out good damage (this is important as dm is an important aspect of tf2 and 6v6), and durable enough that it is basically like you are fighting at least 1.5 of a player. it also slows down the game at least a little bit.
it's too powerful even in pubs. pretty sure 90% of the time i am more useful as engy with gunslinger than with any other wrench. isnt that how it goes in highlander aside from attack/defend maps?
bottomline is that it's not fun to fight against an aimbot that is easy as hell to make , takes very little aim to put out good damage (this is important as dm is an important aspect of tf2 and 6v6), and durable enough that it is basically like you are fighting at least 1.5 of a player. it also slows down the game at least a little bit.
it's too powerful even in pubs. pretty sure 90% of the time i am more useful as engy with gunslinger than with any other wrench. isnt that how it goes in highlander aside from attack/defend maps?
it's too powerful even in pubs. pretty sure 90% of the time i am more useful as engy with gunslinger than with any other wrench. isnt that how it goes in highlander aside from attack/defend maps?
the gunslinger will never be unbanned ever
shut the fuck up
the gunslinger will never be unbanned ever
shut the fuck up
shut the fuck up
kave_johnson you're the only one in this thread that wants it unbanned. let it go.
kave_johnson you're the only one in this thread that wants it unbanned. let it go.
dfygunslinger badlands mid in window, 2strong
[quote=dfy]gunslinger badlands mid in window, 2strong[/quote]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy94nw9U7N4[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy94nw9U7N4[/youtube]
the gunslinger is perfectly balanced...
...if the engineer lacks the ability to aim with his shotgun
im guessing thats the only kind of engineer that the OP has run across
the gunslinger is perfectly balanced...
...if the engineer lacks the ability to aim with his shotgun
im guessing thats the only kind of engineer that the OP has run across
...if the engineer lacks the ability to aim with his shotgun
im guessing thats the only kind of engineer that the OP has run across
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