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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/world/asia/kashmir-crackdown-india-pakistan.html

absolutely massive news from the most militarized part of the world

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/world/asia/kashmir-crackdown-india-pakistan.html

absolutely massive news from the most militarized part of the world
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this shit is absolutely insane

I love that the largest democracy in the world is being run by a neoliberal fascist monster and western media basically never talks about it

this shit is absolutely insane

I love that the largest democracy in the world is being run by a neoliberal fascist monster and western media basically never talks about it
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choose your fighter:

https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/629290/gettyimages-801506658.jpg

https://twitter.com/senkamalaharris/status/878658287809564672?lang=en

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/elections/lok-sabha/india/tulsi-gabbard-congratulates-pm-modi/articleshow/69587081.cms

choose your fighter:

https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/629290/gettyimages-801506658.jpg

https://twitter.com/senkamalaharris/status/878658287809564672?lang=en

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/elections/lok-sabha/india/tulsi-gabbard-congratulates-pm-modi/articleshow/69587081.cms
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#4
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Whats going on? I cant read any of the articles.

Whats going on? I cant read any of the articles.
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MoermanWhats going on? I cant read any of the articles.

From what I am aware of,
Kashmir was technically “part” of India, but had their own constitution and everything. In India’s constitution, there was a special clause regarding Kashmir that allowed them to be separate but still a part of India.

But now India is revoking that clause from the constitution. And quite forcefully, suppressing the citizens, and kidnapping officials to allow them to do it.

[quote=Moerman]Whats going on? I cant read any of the articles.[/quote]

From what I am aware of,
Kashmir was technically “part” of India, but had their own constitution and everything. In India’s constitution, there was a special clause regarding Kashmir that allowed them to be separate but still a part of India.

But now India is revoking that clause from the constitution. And quite forcefully, suppressing the citizens, and kidnapping officials to allow them to do it.
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that special status also banned non-kashmiris from owning property in the region to prevent economic colonization and the possibility of the state becoming hindu majority

and the special status was literally a precondition for the creation of the state of India in the 40s, not just some random law passed 20 years ago

It was also what the first indo pakistani war was fought over

this could easily lead to mass ethnic cleansing, if not all out war between two countries with nuclear weapons

that special status also banned non-kashmiris from owning property in the region to prevent economic colonization and the possibility of the state becoming hindu majority

and the special status was literally a precondition for the creation of the state of India in the 40s, not just some random law passed 20 years ago

It was also what the first indo pakistani war was fought over

this could easily lead to mass ethnic cleansing, if not all out war between two countries with nuclear weapons
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mustardoverlordthat special status also banned non-kashmiris from owning property in the region to prevent economic colonization and the possibility of the state becoming hindu majority

and the special status was literally a precondition for the creation of the state of India in the 40s, not just some random law passed 20 years ago

It was also what the first indo pakistani war was fought over

this could easily lead to mass ethnic cleansing, if not all out war between two countries with nuclear weapons

Would not be surprised if there was a war. Pakistan and India aren’t friendly already, and there have been many increased tensions already this year. bad times ahead

[quote=mustardoverlord]that special status also banned non-kashmiris from owning property in the region to prevent economic colonization and the possibility of the state becoming hindu majority

and the special status was literally a precondition for the creation of the state of India in the 40s, not just some random law passed 20 years ago

It was also what the first indo pakistani war was fought over

this could easily lead to mass ethnic cleansing, if not all out war between two countries with nuclear weapons[/quote]

Would not be surprised if there was a war. Pakistan and India aren’t friendly already, and there have been many increased tensions already this year. bad times ahead
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mustardoverlordthis shit is absolutely insane

I love that the largest democracy in the world is being run by a neoliberal fascist monster and western media basically never talks about it

last time i saw india's goverment splashed all over mainstream media (not just mentioned on page four of the times, but actually everywhere) was when they had the "largest democratic election of all time"

for a given definition of that, they sure did. but...

[quote=mustardoverlord]this shit is absolutely insane

I love that the largest democracy in the world is being run by a neoliberal fascist monster and western media basically never talks about it[/quote]
last time i saw india's goverment splashed all over mainstream media (not just mentioned on page four of the times, but actually everywhere) was when they had the "largest democratic election of all time"

for a given definition of that, they sure did. but...
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#9
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well two of the other largest democracies in the world are being run by trump and bolsonaro, so

well two of the other largest democracies in the world are being run by trump and bolsonaro, so
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mustardoverlordthat special status also banned non-kashmiris from owning property in the region to prevent economic colonization and the possibility of the state becoming hindu majority

and the special status was literally a precondition for the creation of the state of India in the 40s, not just some random law passed 20 years ago

It was also what the first indo pakistani war was fought over

this could easily lead to mass ethnic cleansing, if not all out war between two countries with nuclear weapons

only the kashmir valley is muslim majority, jammu is a hindu region, and ladakh is a buddhist region. all the wars, including the kargil war as recently as 1999, were fought over the kashmir valley part of the region

ive been following this really closely for a few days now, my mom is from kargil

india agreed to hold a referendum in kashmir for kashmiris to determine who gets control / if kashmir becomes independent, only if pakistan removed their troops from the area, and neither countries did what they said they would

and yeah glad to see someone else sees modi for who he is lol, the guy meditates in some cave and the world forgets hes campaigning on hindu nationalism, and controls like 80% of the lok sabbha, despite it being written in their constitution that it is a secular state

a big problem with this conflict is that pakistan changes their mind every other year on if they agree to the LOC agreement because some new military coup happens all the time

ive been following this really closely over the last week or so, my mom is from western ladakh

[quote=mustardoverlord]that special status also banned non-kashmiris from owning property in the region to prevent economic colonization and the possibility of the state becoming hindu majority

and the special status was literally a precondition for the creation of the state of India in the 40s, not just some random law passed 20 years ago

It was also what the first indo pakistani war was fought over

this could easily lead to mass ethnic cleansing, if not all out war between two countries with nuclear weapons[/quote]

only the kashmir valley is muslim majority, jammu is a hindu region, and ladakh is a buddhist region. all the wars, including the kargil war as recently as 1999, were fought over the kashmir valley part of the region

ive been following this really closely for a few days now, my mom is from kargil

india agreed to hold a referendum in kashmir for kashmiris to determine who gets control / if kashmir becomes independent, only if pakistan removed their troops from the area, and neither countries did what they said they would

and yeah glad to see someone else sees modi for who he is lol, the guy meditates in some cave and the world forgets hes campaigning on hindu nationalism, and controls like 80% of the lok sabbha, despite it being written in their constitution that it is a secular state

a big problem with this conflict is that pakistan changes their mind every other year on if they agree to the LOC agreement because some new military coup happens all the time

ive been following this really closely over the last week or so, my mom is from western ladakh
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#11
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really good video that explains what happened

https://youtu.be/a4NLgx7r9zQ

really good video that explains what happened

[youtube]https://youtu.be/a4NLgx7r9zQ [/youtube]
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y

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wtzdid u have a stroke while writing this r u ok

lol no but writing that was literally the first thing i did after waking up

[quote=wtz]
did u have a stroke while writing this r u ok[/quote]

lol no but writing that was literally the first thing i did after waking up
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https://i.redd.it/gfzzodf3tne31.png

bruh

[img]https://i.redd.it/gfzzodf3tne31.png[/img] bruh
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DM Servers
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https://i.imgur.com/A3tLCw6.png

i dont typically throw around the word "genocide" lightly but this very strongly smells like the beginning of a cultural genocide to me

[img]https://i.imgur.com/A3tLCw6.png[/img]

i dont typically throw around the word "genocide" lightly but this very strongly smells like the beginning of a cultural genocide to me
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https://www.huffingtonpost.in/entry/article-370-kashmir-women-tiktok_in_5d494898e4b0d291ed064107?ncid=other_twitter_cooo9wqtham&utm_campaign=share_twitter

I can't imagine what sick things are going on with internet blackout and 700,000 soldiers stationed there...

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_Kashmir_conflict

https://www.huffingtonpost.in/entry/article-370-kashmir-women-tiktok_in_5d494898e4b0d291ed064107?ncid=other_twitter_cooo9wqtham&utm_campaign=share_twitter

I can't imagine what sick things are going on with internet blackout and 700,000 soldiers stationed there...

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_Kashmir_conflict
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stephhttps://i.imgur.com/A3tLCw6.png

i dont typically throw around the word "genocide" lightly but this very strongly smells like the beginning of a cultural genocide to me

in fairness to india, the kashmir valley used to be full of hindu people, until about 1990 when they all fled due to religious persecution. Pakistan's section of kashmir, gilgit baltistan, isn't exactly autonomous either

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-35923237

"According to one estimate, 3,000-5,000 Pandits are left in the valley today - a far cry from the 300,000 who used to live there"

[quote=steph][img]https://i.imgur.com/A3tLCw6.png[/img]

i dont typically throw around the word "genocide" lightly but this very strongly smells like the beginning of a cultural genocide to me[/quote]

in fairness to india, the kashmir valley used to be full of hindu people, until about 1990 when they all fled due to religious persecution. Pakistan's section of kashmir, gilgit baltistan, isn't exactly autonomous either


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-35923237

"According to one estimate, 3,000-5,000 Pandits are left in the valley today - a far cry from the 300,000 who used to live there"
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#18
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also, india should've turned jammu/ladakh into union territories and let the kashmir valley be independent. seperatists can be happy, jammu and ladakh can be developed

whole situation sucks because both sides care more about winning this stupid 70 year war than they care about actually incorporating kashmir into their countries

also, india should've turned jammu/ladakh into union territories and let the kashmir valley be independent. seperatists can be happy, jammu and ladakh can be developed

whole situation sucks because both sides care more about winning this stupid 70 year war than they care about actually incorporating kashmir into their countries
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if only the delhi mutiny and the fall of the last mughal didnt happen.. what a shitty situation to devolve into.

if only the delhi mutiny and the fall of the last mughal didnt happen.. what a shitty situation to devolve into.
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This is a video of Ladakh’s democratically elected representation in government. he is part of the BJP party, the same as india’s current prime minister

https://youtu.be/OnJ_aU5KXqI

very rough translation sorry i’m not very fluent. this is the gist of his speech:

“For th first time in 70 years Ladakh has representation in government, so listen to me when I speak. Jammu and Kashmir have received all the money from india’s centralized fund, while Ladakh hasn’t received enough money to grow an inch of grass. Now that it is a union territory, Ladakh finally has money to develop its land”

This is a video of Ladakh’s democratically elected representation in government. he is part of the BJP party, the same as india’s current prime minister

[youtube]https://youtu.be/OnJ_aU5KXqI[/youtube]

very rough translation sorry i’m not very fluent. this is the gist of his speech:

“For th first time in 70 years Ladakh has representation in government, so listen to me when I speak. Jammu and Kashmir have received all the money from india’s centralized fund, while Ladakh hasn’t received enough money to grow an inch of grass. Now that it is a union territory, Ladakh finally has money to develop its land”
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-protoSeems like a political stunt by Modi. It’s sad but this will probably get him votes.

Hoping India doesn’t escalate further, grew up with a lot of Canadians of Pakistani descent and have a lot of respect for them.

India & Pakistan are the least stable nations with nuclear weapons so let’s hope this ends peacefully.

indians and pakistanis are both very good people with bad governments and horrible media. i hope people seeing news about this region for the first time are able to separate the politics from the people

[quote=-proto]Seems like a political stunt by Modi. It’s sad but this will probably get him votes.

Hoping India doesn’t escalate further, grew up with a lot of Canadians of Pakistani descent and have a lot of respect for them.

India & Pakistan are the least stable nations with nuclear weapons so let’s hope this ends peacefully.[/quote]

indians and pakistanis are both very good people with bad governments and horrible media. i hope people seeing news about this region for the first time are able to separate the politics from the people
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Im pretty sure like 90% of the world falls into the category of "good people bad govt" lol

Im pretty sure like 90% of the world falls into the category of "good people bad govt" lol
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