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http://secure.newegg.ca/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=21512092

ill be back, i jus wanted to post this so i get answers when i come back

http://secure.newegg.ca/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=21512092

ill be back, i jus wanted to post this so i get answers when i come back
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Is this your first time building a computer? You seem to be pretty lost. You have an AMD CPU with an Intel motherboard, which don't work together. Get rid of that FX 8350 and opt for the Intel i5 3570k instead. You have three GPUs in there, a 7850 2GB and two 650s. If you are going to do SLI, just buy a 7870 instead. If you really want to go huge with graphics buy one 670. Otherwise, currently AMD offers better pricing/performance for most of the $200-400 GPUs. Everything else looked fine to me, though I do not know much about monitors, so someone else will have to help.

Also, do you mean you want to keep the price under $700? Because you're going to have to get rid of most of the core components of this build then.

For next time: http://teamfortress.tv/forum/category/11

Is this your first time building a computer? You seem to be pretty lost. You have an AMD CPU with an Intel motherboard, which don't work together. Get rid of that FX 8350 and opt for the Intel i5 3570k instead. You have three GPUs in there, a 7850 2GB and two 650s. If you are going to do SLI, just buy a 7870 instead. If you really want to go huge with graphics buy one 670. Otherwise, currently AMD offers better pricing/performance for most of the $200-400 GPUs. Everything else looked fine to me, though I do not know much about monitors, so someone else will have to help.

Also, do you mean you want to keep the price under $700? Because you're going to have to get rid of most of the core components of this build then.

For next time: http://teamfortress.tv/forum/category/11
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Twitch
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http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qZIY

You can move some shit around if you want. I just went with a very high end CPU assuming you're primarily playing TF2.

glhf!

(upgrade to 8GB of RAM if you can.)

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qZIY

You can move some shit around if you want. I just went with a very high end CPU assuming you're primarily playing TF2.

glhf!

(upgrade to 8GB of RAM if you can.)
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Oh hey, John's name is purple now.

Must be because he's awesome.

Oh hey, John's name is purple now.

Must be because he's awesome.
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#5
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YEAH JOHN GRATS WOOOOOOO

YEAH JOHN GRATS WOOOOOOO
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yoo please ignore the link i posted:

i had exactly johns rigs made up but a friend told me AMD would be better so he reccomended me this rig.

please refer to johns link:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qZIY

some questions i have:

1. Can i overclock this if i buy a heatsink like the hyper 212 EVO? or do you reccomend a better heatsink?
2. is 500W enough if i plan to run a 144hz monitor and overclock as well?
3.should i stay with this intel build or make an AMD build?
4. is there better options in terms of bang for buck regarding the optical drive and hard drive?

yoo please ignore the link i posted:

i had exactly johns rigs made up but a friend told me AMD would be better so he reccomended me this rig.

please refer to johns link:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qZIY

some questions i have:

1. Can i overclock this if i buy a heatsink like the hyper 212 EVO? or do you reccomend a better heatsink?
2. is 500W enough if i plan to run a 144hz monitor and overclock as well?
3.should i stay with this intel build or make an AMD build?
4. is there better options in terms of bang for buck regarding the optical drive and hard drive?
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a_riveryoo please ignore the link i posted:

i had exactly johns rigs made up but a friend told me AMD would be better so he reccomended me this rig.

please refer to johns link:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qZIY

some questions i have:

1. Can i overclock this if i buy a heatsink like the hyper 212 EVO? or do you reccomend a better heatsink?
2. is 500W enough if i plan to run a 144hz monitor and overclock as well?
3.should i stay with this intel build or make an AMD build?
4. is there better options in terms of bang for buck regarding the optical drive and hard drive?

AMD CPUs are generally cheaper than Intel but tend to have lower performance.
You can overclock if you get a hyper 212 evo, it's fine for light-to-moderate OC.
I would recommend going up to 620 or 650 watt PSU (if you can afford it), it'll allow you to upgrade in the future

Also if you can afford it, go up to a Radeon 7850 for your graphics, it's only $30 more and AMD's giving out some free games if you buy a new 7850

[quote=a_river]yoo please ignore the link i posted:

i had exactly johns rigs made up but a friend told me AMD would be better so he reccomended me this rig.

please refer to johns link:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qZIY

some questions i have:

1. Can i overclock this if i buy a heatsink like the hyper 212 EVO? or do you reccomend a better heatsink?
2. is 500W enough if i plan to run a 144hz monitor and overclock as well?
3.should i stay with this intel build or make an AMD build?
4. is there better options in terms of bang for buck regarding the optical drive and hard drive?[/quote]

AMD CPUs are generally cheaper than Intel but tend to have lower performance.
You can overclock if you get a hyper 212 evo, it's fine for light-to-moderate OC.
I would recommend going up to 620 or 650 watt PSU (if you can afford it), it'll allow you to upgrade in the future

Also if you can afford it, go up to a Radeon 7850 for your graphics, it's only $30 more and AMD's giving out some free games if you buy a new 7850
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ill add u to talk

ill add u to talk
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Go for a Nvidia card if you're going to get a monitor that has lightboost, and are planning to take advantage in lightboost technology. (Hint: You should..)
500W PSU is enough, if you plan on getting a new card in the future, please don't get a second 550 ti for sli. That's just a terrible option. Any other form of upgrade, like a better single GPU or whatever, the 500W PSU can handle.

Also, your friend may be right on the FX-8350 being a better option than the i5 3570k. Teksyndicate did a benchmark comparing both CPUs with the AMD computer containing a windows hotfix that possibly helps quite a bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4et7kDGSRfc

That video actually brought up a lot of attention, as i5 3570k has been assumed the better CPU for a very long time. Linustechtips and a few other reviewers will be doing another benchmark test / comparison soon because of that vid.

I'm still pretty skeptical though on which is the better buy though. If you want the upgrade immediately, get the i5 to be safe.

Go for a Nvidia card if you're going to get a monitor that has lightboost, and are planning to take advantage in lightboost technology. (Hint: You should..)
500W PSU is enough, if you plan on getting a new card in the future, please don't get a second 550 ti for sli. That's just a terrible option. Any other form of upgrade, like a better single GPU or whatever, the 500W PSU can handle.

Also, your friend may be right on the FX-8350 being a better option than the i5 3570k. Teksyndicate did a benchmark comparing both CPUs with the AMD computer containing a windows hotfix that [i]possibly[/i] helps quite a bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4et7kDGSRfc

That video actually brought up a lot of attention, as i5 3570k has been assumed the better CPU for a very long time. Linustechtips and a few other reviewers will be doing another benchmark test / comparison soon because of that vid.

I'm still pretty skeptical though on which is the better buy though. If you want the upgrade immediately, get the i5 to be safe.
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Twitch
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I had a 2500k @ 5.2 on a hyper 212+ and my real time temps never exceeded 65 degrees. Prime would top out at about 72 ish.

They are good for more than light to moderate overclocking

I had a 2500k @ 5.2 on a hyper 212+ and my real time temps never exceeded 65 degrees. Prime would top out at about 72 ish.

They are good for more than light to moderate overclocking
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please take a look at my link 1 last time before i order, i want to make sure everything is compatible and such:

http://secure.newegg.ca/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=21512092

i have the i5 3570k , 8 gb (2x4gb ram) and hyper 212 evo in another website since its cheaper,

total together comes to about $1145

if anyone reccoemds me to change up anything if its overkill?

i was thinking the psu maybe downgrade, is the case cool?

please reply, ill be ordering tonight or early tommorow

please take a look at my link 1 last time before i order, i want to make sure everything is compatible and such:

http://secure.newegg.ca/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=21512092

i have the i5 3570k , 8 gb (2x4gb ram) and hyper 212 evo in another website since its cheaper,

total together comes to about $1145

if anyone reccoemds me to change up anything if its overkill?

i was thinking the psu maybe downgrade, is the case cool?

please reply, ill be ordering tonight or early tommorow
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i heard prices of gpus will start dropping soon after CES

i heard prices of gpus will start dropping soon after CES
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750W is WAY TOO MUCH. Lower it down a bit.

750W is WAY TOO MUCH. Lower it down a bit.
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matterteai heard prices of gpus will start dropping soon after CES

I hope they show thunderbolt GPUs. Pretty amazing stuff, though only stupid expensive macs would support it. Hopefully they start getting them out for PC systems.

[quote=mattertea]i heard prices of gpus will start dropping soon after CES[/quote]
I hope they show thunderbolt GPUs. Pretty amazing stuff, though only stupid expensive macs would support it. Hopefully they start getting them out for PC systems.
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how much shud i lower the psu to? im planning to buy another card soon so i though ti migh tneed it, how about 620 w, theres one for 60

how much shud i lower the psu to? im planning to buy another card soon so i though ti migh tneed it, how about 620 w, theres one for 60
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Kirito750W is WAY TOO MUCH. Lower it down a bit.

This is total BS. Sure, your rig doesn't need 750w, but having a solid PSU that will work in the future if you decide to upgrade is a solid decision. You can't have "TOO MUCH" wattage.

[quote=Kirito]750W is WAY TOO MUCH. Lower it down a bit.[/quote]

This is total BS. Sure, your rig doesn't need 750w, but having a solid PSU that will work in the future if you decide to upgrade is a solid decision. You can't have "TOO MUCH" wattage.
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The higher the wattage does not mean the higher the quality of the PSU. Wattage is literally meaningless in terms of actually quality.
To get the best out of your PSU in terms of efficiency, it's best to use up to and around 60% load (Varies). PSUs run less efficiently at low load and at extremely high load.

And there are many high quality 600~ watt 80 Plus Gold/Platinum PSUs.

But assuming his setup uses around 300-400 Watts, the 750W psu is definitely worth it. Just dont get like a 1k Watt psu.. ._. There is a limit on how much is too much.

The higher the wattage does not mean the higher the quality of the PSU. Wattage is literally meaningless in terms of actually quality.
To get the best out of your PSU in terms of efficiency, it's best to use up to and around 60% load (Varies). PSUs run less efficiently at low load and at extremely high load.

And there are many high quality 600~ watt 80 Plus Gold/Platinum PSUs.

But assuming his setup uses around 300-400 Watts, the 750W psu is definitely worth it. Just dont get like a 1k Watt psu.. ._. There is a limit on how much is too much.
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kk ill go for that than

kk ill go for that than
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please take a look at the mobo, i think ive decided on it, just need to know if its compatable and all. does downgrading to a 620 w sound good? and shud i downgrade 1tb to 500 gb hdd

please take a look at the mobo, i think ive decided on it, just need to know if its compatable and all. does downgrading to a 620 w sound good? and shud i downgrade 1tb to 500 gb hdd
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SAO_Go for a Nvidia card if you're going to get a monitor that has lightboost, and are planning to take advantage in lightboost technology. (Hint: You should..)
500W PSU is enough, if you plan on getting a new card in the future, please don't get a second 550 ti for sli. That's just a terrible option. Any other form of upgrade, like a better single GPU or whatever, the 500W PSU can handle.

Also, your friend may be right on the FX-8350 being a better option than the i5 3570k. Teksyndicate did a benchmark comparing both CPUs with the AMD computer containing a windows hotfix that possibly helps quite a bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4et7kDGSRfc

That video actually brought up a lot of attention, as i5 3570k has been assumed the better CPU for a very long time. Linustechtips and a few other reviewers will be doing another benchmark test / comparison soon because of that vid.

I'm still pretty skeptical though on which is the better buy though. If you want the upgrade immediately, get the i5 to be safe.

That was when both were overclocked, but to be honest I wouldn't recommend doing that in this case. The 3570k has better stock and per-clock performance, but you can generally push the new AMD chips faster than the Intel ones.

[quote=SAO_]Go for a Nvidia card if you're going to get a monitor that has lightboost, and are planning to take advantage in lightboost technology. (Hint: You should..)
500W PSU is enough, if you plan on getting a new card in the future, please don't get a second 550 ti for sli. That's just a terrible option. Any other form of upgrade, like a better single GPU or whatever, the 500W PSU can handle.

Also, your friend may be right on the FX-8350 being a better option than the i5 3570k. Teksyndicate did a benchmark comparing both CPUs with the AMD computer containing a windows hotfix that [i]possibly[/i] helps quite a bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4et7kDGSRfc

That video actually brought up a lot of attention, as i5 3570k has been assumed the better CPU for a very long time. Linustechtips and a few other reviewers will be doing another benchmark test / comparison soon because of that vid.

I'm still pretty skeptical though on which is the better buy though. If you want the upgrade immediately, get the i5 to be safe.[/quote]

That was when both were overclocked, but to be honest I wouldn't recommend doing that in this case. The 3570k has better stock and per-clock performance, but you can generally push the new AMD chips faster than the Intel ones.
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a_riverplease take a look at the mobo, i think ive decided on it, just need to know if its compatable and all. does downgrading to a 620 w sound good? and shud i downgrade 1tb to 500 gb hdd

I would recommend you downgrade the PSU and upgrade the motherboard. 500W is enough to cover your proposed system with overclocking. 650W is enough to cover overclocking and SLI, although I don't particularly recommend SLI. Now if you weren't on a specific budget sticking with the 750W unit is fine.

Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-650-M 650W ATX12V v2.31 & EPS12V v2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

The MSI motherboard is compatible, but if you're serious about overclocking you should step up. More expensive boards also usually come with more features, such as more USB 3.0 ports. So it's up to you if you really want to pay for more overclocking options and more features, and here's my recommendation for a better board:

GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

I don't think you should downgrade the hard drive.

SAO_Go for a Nvidia card if you're going to get a monitor that has lightboost, and are planning to take advantage in lightboost technology. (Hint: You should..)
500W PSU is enough, if you plan on getting a new card in the future, please don't get a second 550 ti for sli. That's just a terrible option. Any other form of upgrade, like a better single GPU or whatever, the 500W PSU can handle.

Also, your friend may be right on the FX-8350 being a better option than the i5 3570k. Teksyndicate did a benchmark comparing both CPUs with the AMD computer containing a windows hotfix that possibly helps quite a bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4et7kDGSRfc

That video actually brought up a lot of attention, as i5 3570k has been assumed the better CPU for a very long time. Linustechtips and a few other reviewers will be doing another benchmark test / comparison soon because of that vid.

I'm still pretty skeptical though on which is the better buy though. If you want the upgrade immediately, get the i5 to be safe.

FX-8350 is a fine processor, but it is overall inferior to Intel processors. It does shine in highly threaded workloads. The results of those tests are very questionable, and they also use a very questionable motherboard for the Intel tests.

[quote=a_river]please take a look at the mobo, i think ive decided on it, just need to know if its compatable and all. does downgrading to a 620 w sound good? and shud i downgrade 1tb to 500 gb hdd[/quote]

I would recommend you downgrade the PSU and upgrade the motherboard. 500W is enough to cover your proposed system with overclocking. 650W is enough to cover overclocking and SLI, although I don't particularly recommend SLI. Now if you weren't on a specific budget sticking with the 750W unit is fine.

[url=http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182263]Rosewill CAPSTONE Series CAPSTONE-650-M 650W ATX12V v2.31 & EPS12V v2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply[/url]

The MSI motherboard is compatible, but if you're serious about overclocking you should step up. More expensive boards also usually come with more features, such as more USB 3.0 ports. So it's up to you if you really want to pay for more overclocking options and more features, and here's my recommendation for a better board:

[url=http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128544]GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard[/url]

I don't think you should downgrade the hard drive.


[quote=SAO_]Go for a Nvidia card if you're going to get a monitor that has lightboost, and are planning to take advantage in lightboost technology. (Hint: You should..)
500W PSU is enough, if you plan on getting a new card in the future, please don't get a second 550 ti for sli. That's just a terrible option. Any other form of upgrade, like a better single GPU or whatever, the 500W PSU can handle.

Also, your friend may be right on the FX-8350 being a better option than the i5 3570k. Teksyndicate did a benchmark comparing both CPUs with the AMD computer containing a windows hotfix that [i]possibly[/i] helps quite a bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4et7kDGSRfc

That video actually brought up a lot of attention, as i5 3570k has been assumed the better CPU for a very long time. Linustechtips and a few other reviewers will be doing another benchmark test / comparison soon because of that vid.

I'm still pretty skeptical though on which is the better buy though. If you want the upgrade immediately, get the i5 to be safe.[/quote]
FX-8350 is a fine processor, but it is overall inferior to Intel processors. It does shine in highly threaded workloads. The results of those tests are very questionable, and they also use a very questionable motherboard for the Intel tests.
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yea are these changes ok:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130645

and

which is the best PSU here:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152035

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139020

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151095

or reccomend me a different on ehere, i want lowest price with good performance. http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007656%20600014022&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=RATING&PageSize=20

yea are these changes ok:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130645

and

which is the best PSU here:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152035

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139020

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151095

or reccomend me a different on ehere, i want lowest price with good performance. http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007656%20600014022&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=RATING&PageSize=20
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With power supplies you basically get what you pay for - ignoring flash deals/promotions.

Modular power supplies will carry a bit of a price premium (good sales negate this premium, though). So if you're strictly looking for performance then non-modular power supplies will typically offer the best value.

So out of those listed avoid the Raidmax. It won't be very good.

The best value out is the Corsair TX 650W with the $20 off promotion. I recommend you grab that power supply before the promotion ends. You won't find a better power supply for less money.

With power supplies you basically get what you pay for - ignoring flash deals/promotions.

Modular power supplies will carry a bit of a price premium (good sales negate this premium, though). So if you're strictly looking for performance then non-modular power supplies will typically offer the best value.

So out of those listed avoid the Raidmax. It won't be very good.

The best value out is the Corsair TX 650W with the $20 off promotion. I recommend you grab that power supply before the promotion ends. You won't find a better power supply for less money.
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The EVO 212+ cooler is great for not even $30. My stock fan was 50c sometimes even idle. When I got my EVO 212+ I OC'd from 3.2GHz to 3.85GHz (Quad Core) and under full load never goes over 50c, usually sits around 35.

The EVO 212+ cooler is great for not even $30. My stock fan was 50c sometimes even idle. When I got my EVO 212+ I OC'd from 3.2GHz to 3.85GHz (Quad Core) and under full load never goes over 50c, usually sits around 35.
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copper im assuming that mobo i linked is ok?

copper im assuming that mobo i linked is ok?
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#26
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which one :

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130645

or

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130646

also for that 144hz monitor, i need to use this?

http://www.amazon.com/Accell-UltraAV-B142C-003B-DisplayPort-Latches/dp/B0098HW0EA

which one :

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130645

or

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130646

also for that 144hz monitor, i need to use this?

http://www.amazon.com/Accell-UltraAV-B142C-003B-DisplayPort-Latches/dp/B0098HW0EA?tag=teamfortresst-20
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this case is my best bet?

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233

this case is my best bet?

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233
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#28
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Go with the MSI Z77a-G45 board. It should be fine. Better than the first board, but of course not as good as the Gigabyte board I recommended.

The HAF 912 is a great case, especially for that price.

It looks like the monitor comes packaged with a dual link DVI cable (you need dual link DVI for 144 Hz, single link won't work). But a DisplayPort cable will also work, so if you don't want to take the chance a DVI cables doesn't come with the monitor then buy one. You can get cheap cables at monoprice.com:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10246&cs_id=1024601

Go with the MSI Z77a-[b]G45[/b] board. It should be fine. Better than the first board, but of course not as good as the Gigabyte board I recommended.

The HAF 912 is a great case, especially for that price.

It looks like the monitor comes packaged with a dual link DVI cable (you need dual link DVI for 144 Hz, single link won't work). But a DisplayPort cable will also work, so if you don't want to take the chance a DVI cables doesn't come with the monitor then buy one. You can get cheap cables at monoprice.com:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10246&cs_id=1024601
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alright i guess ill make those changes copper, total is like 1.1k. my budget was suppose to be 750 for everything, but i think thats impossible if i want to overclock and run at 144hz?

what if i go with twitch johns exact build?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qZIY

without overclocking can i reach 144hz at high settings with dx9 config possibly?

alright i guess ill make those changes copper, total is like 1.1k. my budget was suppose to be 750 for everything, but i think thats impossible if i want to overclock and run at 144hz?

what if i go with twitch johns exact build?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qZIY

without overclocking can i reach 144hz at high settings with dx9 config possibly?
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#30
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You don't need to overclock to get 144 fps with an i5. The DX9 config will give you that in competitive play. On large pub servers it may drop, but it will still be above 100 most of the time.

You don't need to overclock to get 144 fps with an i5. The DX9 config will give you that in competitive play. On large pub servers it may drop, but it will still be above 100 most of the time.
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