I'm on a roster that's 100% ready, and it isn't working.

edit: refreshed and it worked. i'm dumb

Gunboats up for vote?

Roamers in CEVO stay strong and make the right choice.

Gonna be surprised if anything besides the gunboats gets out of this vote unbanned.

cozy camper is the best yo

ban heavy

Do you guys really want to deal with the battalions backup on KOTH? I know that most of you don't remember why it was banned, but it was op as shit and basically forced on viaduct if you wanted to win. Plus it got buffed since then.

All I see is talk from ESEA.

All I see is action from CEVO.

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Yes voting on a whitelist very good action taken why doesn't esea have some sort of similar process hmmm very mystifying

l8r quick fix

Sorry to bring up ESEA transgressions, but I always thought it was a mistake for them to ban that weapon mid-season.

In my opinion the Battalions Backup being whipped out on Koth_Viaduct week was one of the most significant moments of meta innovation we've seen in TF2. A weapon that no one was touching all of a sudden became a must run and not because of balance changes by Valve... However, "No Exceptions" ESEA flipped the script and banned it half way through the map week, even though it was eXtremely doubtful that teams would have been running it on a 5-cp map.

It's a powerful strategy for KOTH, but should an item really be banned because it's very useful on one map?

^ Unfortunately the overall consensus is that more bans = better, which is a shame because I'd really love to see the soldier backpacks used for some huge plays and breaking chokes and stalemates. Even so, I fully expect everything besides Gunboats to be banned.

Everyone remembers the Plat Magic Conch play, I wish we could see more of that.

There are plenty of straight upgrades that people are "forced" to run or put themselves at a disadvantage, I don't see what the issue with that is. If it's an item that has no counter play, that's one thing, but if it just means the best way to counter it is to use it yourself, I don't think that's a huge issue.

Just a note-- some people have been telling me they get an error when they first click the link. If you have this problem but you know you should be able to vote just log out and log back in and it'll work! Sorry for any inconvenience

You can also try refreshing the page. That's worked for me every time CEVO gave me that message error.

ya theres definitely not a thread with esea giving out premium codes to anybody playing open or anything

Was the powerjack banned in esea cuz of a mid season change?

Also I'm really hoping heavy doesn't get banned.

why are the wrangler and short circuit being considered

what kind of sick person wouldn't want to ban them

and what kind of sick person would enjoy a metagame infested by sentries and stalemates

I hate to ask, but isn't it a little late to be screwing around with a whitelist this close to season start?

I really don't want this to turn into another United Sports Car Championship fiasco.

^ How could teams vote on item bans if registration were still open?

I'd rather play with a malware client (which it isn't) than play in a league where the admins even consider allowing wrangler and short circut. What a joke.

This being plus fragged so much makes it really obvious how little people are thinking for themselves.

does anyone have a beef with the esea whitelists

anyone????

Not my point, the whitelist should have been set in stone before preseason. Then everybody knows what they're dealing with and can plan their strategies accordingly.

I do not think the mindset of "that's the way it always has been" is a valid reason for not periodically re-evaluting our ruleset and making sure that it's really what we want.

If an item is so patently broken that it clearly has no place in competition, then the community will vote to ban it. I see no harm in posing the question and letting the community voice their opinion, rather then me making up everyone's minds for them.

We wanted to do this poll much earlier, but our development resources were targeted at getting the stats up and running. We did the best we could with what we had. In the future, we absolutely want to do this polling in a more controlled and consistent fashion with plenty of time for teams and players to make their decisions. Perhaps that means adding some sort of nomination system so that players can suggest what issues need to be voted on.

Is the blackbox banned?

It is allowed.

This was reactive, not proactive.

When does this poll end?

Thursday night, once the Match 1-1 schedules are released.