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#50 2015 black friday / cyber monday deals in Hardware

There's exactly 1 Titanium model >400$, the AX1500i, all others are cheaper.
There are only a few Platinum models in existence, therefore Gold is actually the highest efficiency. Yeah that logic doesn't seem to work.

Jonnyguru doesn't do continous load vs efficiency tests. You have to interpolate and they are within 0.5%, below his margin of error.
Also you don't want to go there, the efficiency vs load curves are going to be a nightmare. For example the GS and G2 are very close but dancing around each other. At low loads the GS, arguably the inferior platform is more efficient because it's peaking at ~40%, whereas the G2 peaks at ~50%. And that might only be due to the fan profile.
Yeah, don't go there.

With the G2 650 at 60$ and the P2 650 at 70$ (which will definitely be more efficient) I don't see it being a steal.
With the VSM 550, 550W being more than enough for 95% of all builds, it being even more efficient than either the GS or G2, it's hard to ignore at 50$. 10$ more for better ripple supression and a fully instead of semi-modular PSU even with marginally lower efficiency is a tradeoff worth considering, 30$ not so much.
Unless you need more than 650W the 650 P2 is better and cheaper than the 850 P2.

My point is get over that "look at that PSU, a gazillion Watts for $". You're not doing yourself any favours by getting a PSU more powerful than you need. For any build <=650W the 650 P2 is hands down the better choice, even if they were both at 70$. To be even worth considering in that case the 850 P2 would have to be cheaper than the 650.

I'm sorry but people will read "it's a steal" and waste 30$.

posted about 8 years ago
#880 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#878
#1
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($57.80 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $285.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-27 05:05 EST-0500

or for better performance:
#2
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($298.00 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($57.80 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $355.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-27 05:08 EST-0500

or for proper overclocking:
#3
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($298.00 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE_BK 78.1 CFM CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($80.75 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $448.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-27 05:10 EST-0500

or Skylake:
#4
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($349.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Panram Ninja-V 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $451.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-27 05:15 EST-0500

Or Skylake and overclocking:
#5
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($419.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE_BK 78.1 CFM CPU Cooler ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($84.15 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Panram Ninja-V 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $611.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-27 05:13 EST-0500

In terms of price (lowest to highest) it's obviously 1,2,3,4,5.
Performance (highest to lowest) it's 5,3,2,4,1.
4 and 5 got Skylake swag.
First decide if you want to overclock (3 or 5) or not (1,2 or 4). Then if you want to keep your old CPU + mobo + RAM as a combo (4 or 5) or if you're willing to cannibalize it for the RAM (1,2 or 3). It'll either be decided then there'll only be the choice between 1 and 2 left. Are you willing to pay 24% more for 16% more performance? Yes -> 2, No -> 1.
I should make a flowchart out of this.

#879
Budget?

#880
Budget pc on what budget?
What about PSU and HDD/SSD?

posted about 8 years ago
#48 2015 black friday / cyber monday deals in Hardware

#41
1. Platinum
2. highest is Titanium.
3. A <650W 80 Plus Gold PSU will be more efficient than a 850W Platinum unless your average power draw is >300W. Which it definitely isn't with only one GPU.

You get the highest efficiency at 50% load so if your max load is below that you won't ever see the PSU's advertised efficiency. Your average power draw is below that so for the highest efficiency you want a PSU that is rated for your max load and not any more. For single GPU PCs that puts you somewhere between 200 and 450W. The only reasons why I've ever recommend PSUs with higher wattage than that are:
-PCIe 6/8pin connectors, a lot of <500W PSUs only come with 1, but any GPU that warrants a >400W PSU needs 2.
-Price
-Efficiency (e.g. Gold 550W for the price of a Bronze 450W).

The 850W P2 for 80$ doesn't check any of those boxes. A 550W G2 for 50$ or a 650W P2 for 60$ I'd get, but not this.

posted about 8 years ago
#876 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#876
That puts you in a weird spot. It's a bit tight for an i5-4690, I don't think the 4590 is worth the premium, but the i3-4170 is far below budget.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/RYgqJx

So I'd say go with the i3-6100. 6300 and 6320 aren't really worth 50% more.
Your options are:
-keeping your old RAM:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($108.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H DDR3 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($64.60 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $173.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-26 18:06 EST-0500

-getting DDR34:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($108.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Panram Ninja-V 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $210.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-26 18:08 EST-0500

That would leave your APU+mobo+RAM usable as base for an office pc or whatever.

posted about 8 years ago
#40 2015 black friday / cyber monday deals in Hardware

#38
It's basically the same CPU only clocked 0.3Ghz higher. Just overclock the 4300, same thing.

posted about 8 years ago
#35 2015 black friday / cyber monday deals in Hardware

#32
Right, wrong, wrong and wrong.
Yes, it's the CPU.
An i3 is actually a good idea.
All motherboards are compatible with all i3s and i5s for that socket.
i3 has better price to performance ratio than i5. In TF2 some i3s with higher clockrate are actually faster than some i5s with lower clockrate. Even the cheapest i5 is more expensive than the most expensive i3. Please explain how that's better "price per performance". I mean you do pay a higher price per same performance. Definitely better if you want to get rid of money.

#33
No, AMD and Intel are nto compatible, like #34 said.
Continued in the PC Build Thread.

posted about 8 years ago
#873 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#869
Your options, sorted by cost:
-Overclock higher.
-Xeon E3-1230 v3 / 1231 v3 (slightly lower fps when not streaming)
-i7-4790K

You can wait longer but it's not doing you any favours. Once all LGA1150 CPUs are out of stock you'd need a new mobo as well, so it'll be even more expensive.

#870
Any changes? More like all of the changes.
3 years old CPU and 4 years old mobo? Please no.
No reason for single channel RAM.
V300 is the SSD antichrist.
6 years old HDD. I won't even go into more details.
270(X) is cheaper and faster.
There's better and cheaper cases.
Better deals on other PSUs atm.
Fuck Windows 10. 8.1 is cheaper atm and you can still upgrade later if you think it's a good idea or if they actually fix it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxXs0Yy5-0Y You can still get Windows 10 if you don't mind, but I'd flip my shit when my pc shuts off during a scrim. I also hate popups with a passion.
XL2411Z >>> VG248QE, I've said it so many times, not gonna copy paste it again, just look it up.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($57.80 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Mushkin ECO2 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($66.33 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.10 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CSM 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 OEM (64-bit) ($80.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: BenQ XL2411Z 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($249.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $773.07
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-26 05:06 EST-0500

Do you really need a "wifi thingy"?
Compatibility notes fixed by not getting an ancient cpu and mobo and a shitty case.

EDIT:
#872
Budget?

posted about 8 years ago
#865 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#859
Better colours (->IPS) or just a cheap 60Hz side monitor?

#861
I think you're misunderstanding something here. Chipsets don't matter, the socket does. Intel has released a new series of chipsets every year for a decade now and never have they taken for 4 years to release a new one. So the chance of that happening are pretty much (maybe exactly) the same as the chance of meteorides hitting every Intel facility, destroying their production capabilities and killing most of their employees.
Intel is moving from tock-tick (new architecture - new process node) to tock-tick-tick (new arch - refresh - shrink) so LGA1151 is going to stay for a while. Kaby Lake (aka Skylake Refresh) (2016) and Cannonlake (2017) will definitely be LGA1151, after that we'll probably see a new socket. Until August 2018 there won't be any CPUs that won't fit the Skylake mobos. That's 3 years, good enough I'd say.

You are ignoring the different stock clockrates, which means the 6600K is at a massive disadvantage. If you're not delidding I'd expect the 6600K to OC better.

Other advantages: Z170, DDR4, M.2, Sata Express, more USB 3.0, more chipset PCIe bandwidth.

So the question is: Are you going to use anything that can use 8 threads?

#862
You can keep HDDs/SSDs, if you got backups. If not use the old ones as backup. The question isn't if, it's when one of them is going to fail. We're talking about desktop, not server usage so it's not unreasonable to expect 90% to survive 5 years, but is that going to make you feel better when you loose all your data? Back up anything you can't afford to loose.

Case and PSU depend on how good they are. Cases that require a blood sacrifice every time you add/replace any part are not worth keeping. Fractal Design Define R3? Yeah, should be fine, no need to upgrade to an R5.

DDR4 or DDR3 doesn't matter directly for you. A few Watt more or less might be a big deal on mobile devices, next to a GPU garbling up 300W not so much. The big differences are technical details and manufacturing. What that means for you are two things:
-DDR3 will become harder to get as it is phased out, so if you want to upgrade later DDR4 is the way to go.
-DDR4 supports higher speeds (and in turn higher speeds are supported by mobos) and is cheaper than DDR3 at high speeds. There is no 1600MHz DDR4 so DDR3 is obviously cheaper, at 2400MHz it's about equal, beyond that DDR4 is cheaper.
So unless you desperately need to save 10$ by going for 1600MHz DDR3 (a bit more if you a reusing your old RAM) there is no reason not to go with >=2400MHz DDR4 if you're getting a CPU that supports it.

6600/6700 K or non-K?
Also depends on what you're going to use the CPU for.

Same for GPUs, depends on what you'e going to use it for.

#863
Lightboost? If yes BenQ XL2411Z.
If no Acer GN246HL.

#864
You might want to take your own advice. ;-)

posted about 8 years ago
#14 2015 black friday / cyber monday deals in Hardware

#9
CX is low end.
45$ + 4$ shipping = 49$ for a CX600M just doesn't make any sense.

CS550M is 40$ and better.
VSM 550 is 50$ and far better.

#11
This is it. Officially the worst misuse of "bottlenecking" I've ever seen.
PSUs can not bottleneck anything.

posted about 8 years ago
#857 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#857
Ty.

Never upgrade just because you've got spare money. You might later realise that you want to upgrade something else and have no money left.

That said, for streaming if you want to use fairly high settings you could get a Xeon E3-1230 v3 or 1231 v3. Probably hard to find them <200€ atm, but if you sell the i5-4460 it's definitely within budget.
Also if I'm not mistaken that PSU is not even 80 Plus so you could replace that as well.

Other than that I don't see anything that would be worth upgrading, it's a very nice build.

posted about 8 years ago
#855 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#854
You still don't understand, Dirty bomb is a different game.
But fuck it, here's the best I can do right now.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $114.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-25 03:58 EST-0500
If any of the deals expire I'll have to redo it, so either buy now or tell me before you do.

#855
Some nice black friday deals atm.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Panram Ninja-V 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($66.33 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.10 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CSM 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $537.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-25 04:11 EST-0500

Slightly better CPU and better PSU in case you want to get a better GPU (for AAA games or whatever) some day.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($204.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Panram Ninja-V 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($66.33 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.10 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $582.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-25 04:10 EST-0500

I'm going to ask enigma for a cut of the ad revenue, people are starting to register just for the PC Build Thread.

posted about 8 years ago
#852 PC Build Thread in Hardware

You say you don't care about graphics, but you want medium settings.

You should already be getting 60fps on 720p medium in SW:BF, but instead of playing SW:BF you complain about getting 20fps in Dirty bomb.

If you want 60fps in Dirty bomb say so.
You said you want 60fps in SW:BF which you should already be getting.

I just can't see the problem.

posted about 8 years ago
#850 PC Build Thread in Hardware

I still don't get why 512MB VRAM matter.

Your GPU(s) being low end is not directly related to that. Also APUs are a stupid idea, especially if you're going to buy a dedicated GPU anyway. Two bottom of the barrel GPUs in Crossfire are still low end.

Triple A Games ok.

m0nkeidemanding games, such as Overwatch

And you've lost me again.

m0nkeimooth and consistent 60 fps on medium settings at 720p

If you can't get 60fps on 720p medium in Star Wars Battlefront something else is wrong.

http://media.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2015/game-bench/battlefront/battlefront-gpu-1080-medium.png

m0nkeisince I don't care about graphics.

I've heard lower settings improve fps. Since you don't care about graphics you might want to use the lowest settings.

posted about 8 years ago
#848 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#847
Going by that logic I'd say it's an HDD bottleneck.
RAM and HDDs only do one thing: They store data. As long as you don't run out of space it's absolutely irrelevant how much you have in total.

What are "high-end games". How much fps are you getting currently on those settings in these "high-end games"?

#848
6 core CPU with mediocre single threaded performance that was never good for games? Check.
Said CPU being 3 years old which makes the decision even more puzzling? Check.
Useless SSHD? Check.
600W PSU for a 300W build? Check.
Expensive case? Check.
Pro version of an outdated operating system? Check.

posted about 8 years ago
#845 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#843
I'm assuming you want to spend as little as possible.

Why are you upgrading? I'm assuming it's because you're not getting as much fps as you'd like. Make sure it's a GPU and not a CPU bottleneck. Think about how much fps you want, then you can choose the cheapest GPU that'll get you enough performance.

#845
Same as always, what settings/resolution/fps?
I've delayed this post a bit for that reason, but as of 2 hours ago there are finally proper benchmarks for Overwatch so now I can offer more than an educated guess.
http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/2200-overwatch-gpu-benchmark-and-fps-tests

posted about 8 years ago
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