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#3049 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Well you can measure your backpack/suitcase to find the upper limit. There's thinner and more cube like cases, I don't know which you prefer.

No? This is Intel, only the most expensive CPUs/chipset are unlocked.
I mean you could get the 2600 instead, but it's not much cheaper or any faster in games, even overclocked, so why bother? But B360+8600 would be cheaper than Z370+8700K and wouldn't make any difference for anything other than TF2.

posted 9 hours ago
#3047 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Ok, no handle does make things easier.
The cases are almost the same size, the question is how small do you want it? There's still a lot of options between that and the Core V1 at twice and the Bitfenix Prodigy at three times the size.
Well if you don't plan on overclocking you can get cheaper components and not worry about the cooling.

posted 10 hours ago
#3045 PC Build Thread in Hardware

I've got no issue with you recommending an aio for the SG13 or you liking the SG13 because you've used it yourself, just don't try to make it out to be something that it isn't.

You can't just assume that everyone wants the same thing you want. You might like that case and if you want that case and want to overclock as well an aio is your only option, but neither of those are a given here.

If you aren't dead set on that case then you can't justify the aio.
If you want a carrying handle the case is right out.
If you don't want to overclock all the worrying about cooling is pointless.
If you want a SFF silent build I'd still go with an air cooler, but a different case.
If you don't want a silent build there's always the fun option of single tower cooler + >=3k rpm fan.

You've recommended a very specific build for a very specific set of requirements (yours) which are simply not given here.

On that note I'm still trying to find out what Domo actually wants. That's why I haven't posted anything more constructive or even a part list yet. He needs to make up his mind about the handle, size and overclocking first.

posted 12 hours ago
#3043 PC Build Thread in Hardware
ArieSetsulAriewill be way quieter at load.That's objectively wrong.My actual builds prove me right. I'm very specific in the build I'm recommending, a height constrained case where you can use a radiator to get fresh air from the front instead of having a tiny crappy CPU fan like the C7 inside a hot shoe box. It's a straight win in noise, temperatures and overclocking capabilities.

I don't think you understand. I didn't say it wouldn't offer better cooling. Just that the C7 would be quieter, while also throttling if any significant overclock was applied.

ArieYour hatred of AIOs is ill placed for high-TDP/overclocked SFF builds, where the only good argument against them is imo price. Pump noise is irrelevant on modern units, certainly much lower than fan noise when properly controlled (H75 on DC fan control, H80i on silent mode for example, NZXTs pump speed control, all not hearable in a quiet room at night) and still allows for overclocking. I specifically added a Noctua A12x25 to replace the stock radiator fan, which has way better noise characteristics than the stock fans.

You know that argument is nonsense. A pump + a fan can never be quieter than the same fan alone. Nearly as good at twice the price isn't a compelling argument.
This is about the form factor. Aios only make sense when the form factor doesn't allow for an equivalent air cooler. The problem is if you can just pick any case of about the same size that limitation doesn't exist. You don't have to do insane things like cramming an NH-D14 in a 13l case but you're not limited to aios.

https://www.overclock.net/photopost/data/1452789/b/b3/b3502a11_DSC_0037.jpeg

I mean you saw that the ML08 would fit neither a large air cooler nor an aio so you went with one that only fit aios, but not large air coolers. That's not an argument for aios, that's an argument against that case. So no, your build doesn't prove that you're right.

posted 14 hours ago
#3041 PC Build Thread in Hardware

VRMs and airflow don't matter if the cooler can only handle about 10% more power consumption than at stock.

Ariewill be way quieter at load.

That's objectively wrong.
Now of course if we're talking about a proper overclock the C7 would throttle, but it would be quieter.

And as always, fuck aios. http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/469342/pc-build-thread
If we're just going to ignore the handle there's enough cases of that size that support full size coolers.
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/5982/corsair-hydro-series-h75-liquid-aio-cpu-cooler-review/index7.html
Abou the same temperature as the NH-U12S at the cost of 10dB. And the U12S isn't even that big. You can guess what happens when you use similar fans on both.

posted 20 hours ago
#3038 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#3036
Yes, that makes more sense.
There are few things you could do to save money.
A slightly lower wattage PSU would suffice.
If you're not planning on streaming there'd be basically no difference between the 8600K and 8700K. In fact the lower power consumption might allow for a higher overclock.
You might want to think about whether or not to invest money into overclocking at all. Because there's only so much a cooler of that size can do:
https://www.hardwareslave.com/reviews/cooling/cryorig-c7-low-profile-cpu-cooler-review/6/
The C7 is pretty much at the limit with the 8700K at stock clocks and it's not like there are some vastly better coolers at that size.

#3037
Yes. Although I really doubt that it's off.

posted 1 day ago
#3035 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#3033
You'll probably regret it in a month.
Any particular shop? I'd use pcpartpicker Mongolia as joke but that's almost as far down the priority list as Finland.

#3034
I'm just going to quote you:

DomoCatFaceI am pretty set on the case, it's perfect for what I want (taking it as handluggage on flights and stuff). Unless you know of a case that is portable with one hand this is the one I would prefer to have.

And now you're going to get a case with no handle that's twice as large and can handle full size coolers, but you pick one of the smallest coolers?
Where are you going with that?

posted 2 days ago
#3032 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#3030
If you didn't mess with the settings it is already on.
Still it would be a waste to pay for a K CPU, Z mobo and a cooler and then not use them. Read a bit more about overclocking, there are enough guides out there. FYI the 8600K's architecture is called "Coffee Lake" so that'll help you find an appropriate guide.

#3031
If you want a white/silver case in that size with a carrying handle then yes the TU100A is pretty much your only option.
The TU200 would be a bit larger if you want an HDD or full size ODD.
If it's just about the size and handle there's the ML08.
https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=607&area=en
A bit different, supports a longer GPU or an HDD. If you don't need either then it's just preference.

404, not found, so I'll wait until you've fixed the link to see the example build before I do anything.

posted 2 days ago
#3029 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#3027
Do you want something similar as in the same size or do you want that case?
Because pretty much nothing will fit in that case. Not the mobo, not the cooler, not the PSU.
Cooler + Z mobo + locked CPU doesn't make sense.
And as always, new CPUs in a month.

#3028
I dislike aios more.

smesiyou originally put a miniATX motherboard but you also posted that you wanted to buy a microITX case and bring it around to lans and such, so i fixed that for you by putting in a microITX mobo instead, you can overclock in that thing too so dw

This is trainwreck. Read it again.
Also the Bitfenix Prodigy is one of the largest microATX cases. Really, one of the largest microATX cases. The mini-ITX version is basically a bad joke. It's literally more tha 3 times as large as the one Domo wants. That's not an exaggeration.

smesiwent for the WD ssd instead mostly because you save a bit of cash for the same storage capacity without compromising on performance that much, if at all

The WD Blue is a budget SSD. The are far enough apart that most reviewers won't compare them.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/western-digital-blue-ssd-review,4767-2.html
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-860-evo-ssd-review,5446-2.html

smesiplaceholder case since it looks similar to the one you posted

Well if you think all mini-ITX cases are similar then yes. If the goal is "small and easily portable" then no.

smesii don't have much experience with miniITX PCs so idk if this will even fit in a miniITX case but if it does fit then it should be fine

PCP wouldn't let you select the components if they didn't fit. Then again this case is rather large.

posted 3 days ago
#3026 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#3024
That's technically impossible.
The all core boost is 4.1 GHz so 4.0 GHz would be underclocking.

Also it's either "degrees centigrade" (before 1948) or "degrees Celsius" (since 1948) or just "degrees" (since the 19th century outside of the US and UK) but never just "centigrade".
Or you could just write °C or even just C if you can't find °.

posted 3 days ago
#3022 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Positive: less dust.
Slightly negative: slightly better cooling
Negative: Worse cooling but you'll never have to vacuum the room ever again.

Also fan ratio doesn't say all that much. The fans might be different and the GPU also pushes some or all of the air it sucks in out of the back (depends on the cooler type). Dust filters also reduce the flow a bit.
So 1 intake 2 exhaust can very well mean a >3:1 ratio for exhaust.
Negative air pressure without dust filters on the intakes basically guarantees that all the dust in the room will accumulate in the case.
Same number of fans for intake and exhaust + GPU and/or dust filters on the intake already cause slight negative pressure.
I'd say minimum 1 intake, 1 exhaust and always at least as many intake fans as exhaust fans (preferably exhaust+1 with dust filters). Without dust filters 1 intake fan can be enough because you'll have to clean it regularly anyway.
Of course Sometimes the CPU cooler is so close to the rear exhaust that you might as well count it as exhaust fan (especially with dual or triple fans setups) and you can reuse the actual rear exhaust fan for a different position.
So the absolute budget setup would be 1 intake and abusing the CPU cooler as exhaust fan.

In your case with 3 fans 2 in 1 out is really the only viable option, especially if you've got dust filters.

posted 4 days ago
#3020 PC Build Thread in Hardware

I wrote CPUs and I meant CPUs.
New GPUs might not be all that interesting. In most games the RTX 2080 is about as fast as a GTX 1080 Ti.
RTX 2080 MSRP = 699$
GTX 1080 Ti MSRP = 699$
The RTX 2070 should be about as fast as the GTX 1080 and guess what, same MSRP at 499$.
MSRP hasn't been announced yet but you can probably take a guess and just looking at the specs the RTX 2060 might be slightly slower than the GTX 1070.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor (£103.72 @ PC World Business)
Motherboard: MSI - B360M PRO-VDH Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£65.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£78.27 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£64.76 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£29.39 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: PowerColor - Radeon RX 580 8GB Red Devil Video Card (£214.68 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G Mini (Black) MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£42.96 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£47.99 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: AOC - G2460PF 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor (£129.97 @ PC World)
Total: £777.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-09-20 20:52 BST+0100
I chose a 580 because the monitor is on sale and got FreeSync. Without that deal expect an extra 70-80£. In that case he could get a different, similar monitor and 580 or 1060 doesn't matter anymore.
Get the 2.5" SATA 860 Evo, it's not listed on pcp UK but should be cheaper than that.
I didn't put much thought into the case so he can change that.

If he wants to spend the rest of the budget he could get a slightly better CPU (i3-8300) and/or 16GB RAM or a significantly better CPU (2600X) that will be of no use to him in most games.

If the monitor deal happens 1070 might actually be doable by shaving of a few pounds here and there. Or just changing the CPU.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/27CMyX
(remember with the actual SSD price it should be -8£)
B350 mobo could save another 3£ but let's be real here, manually updating the BIOS isn't worth saving 3£.
He could OC it and get about the same performance. He might have to check the QVL for RAM (anything >=2666 is ok) though because those CPU/mobo might otherwise not like it.
I don't recommend going with A320 because either he saves 5£ at the cost of having to update the BIOS and not being able to overclock while keeping 4 RAM slots or he saves 20£ by going with a shit tier 2 RAM slot mobo with the same disadvantages that'll make RAM upgrades more expensive (replacing sticks instead of just adding 2 more) and is truly shit tier.

posted 5 days ago
#3018 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Ok so destiny 2 144fps at medium isn't really happening because 200£ for the monitor and 400£ for a GTX 1070 doesn't really work out. Low might be doable.

If he's not in a hurry he should probably wait for new CPUs in mid October.
Otherwise I can try to come up with something now.

posted 5 days ago
#3016 PC Build Thread in Hardware

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LwxfrH/trendnet-wireless-network-card-tew805ub#
or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/k9ndnQ/asus-pce-ac51-none-wi-fi-adapter-pce-ac51
or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6Zs8TW/asus-pce-ac55bt-b1-none-wi-fi-adapter-pce-ac55bt-b1

Depending on which form factor and antenna you want.

posted 1 week ago
#3014 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#3010
Was answered via Steam.

#3011
Yeah, not exactly motivated because of that.

Just for TF2 you need neither.
You've also thrown your budget out of the window apparently.

#3012
Depends on what you need and what your router supports. n/ac, 5Ghz or not, any more fancy features etc.

posted 1 week ago
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