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#2606 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Ok, here we go:

CPU+Mobo: 1700X + Asus Prime B350-Plus - 723$
Cooler: Cryorig H7 - 65$
Should be good enough, I mean you're not trying to do anything crazy. Also fairly low height which is nice for compatibility with cases. There's an RGB LED version for 34$ (?!?) more, if you're into that sort of thing.
RAM: 2x8GB CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 3200 C16 - 279$
There's a 3000 C15 kit (so same latency, only slightly lower frequency), which is 14$ cheaper, but I'd stick with 266.67 MHz dividers (2667, 2933, 3200 Mhz and so on), 133.33 (2800, 3066 etc) can work depending on the board but 66.67, which includes 3000 MHz rarely works without a lot of fiddling. Worst case because 3000 is so close to 2933 there is no 2933 profile and you'd have to run it at 2667 or 2800.
LED version for 10$ more.

SSD: Samsung 850 Evo 1TB - 469$
HDD: Toshiba 3TB - 136$
Went with the cash price because I don't want to see 0.5$ in my calculations. 3.5$ shouldn't make a difference anyway.

With 379$ for the U2417H and 549$ for the XB241H we're at exactly 2600$.

Case: P400 would be 139$, P400S if it's the windowed version would be 109$, worst case if you want to plan with 109$ there's the P300 which is like I said almost the same, just smaller and only 99$.

So 761-801$ left.

The cheapest 1070 costs 619$ usually I don't like going for those because most of the time some corners have been cut to lower the price, but the GALAX EXOC Sniper should actually be decent. I don't know if it will be in stock though (mining still going on), so I'll give you other options.

I'm going to list a few options for the PSUs so you've got some wiggle room.
All 3 are Seasonic because even though there's alternatives they're all either slightly more expensive (~10$) for the same performance/features or slightly worse at the exact same price.
S12-II 520W - 89$
Sadly there is no lower wattage version available since the build won't need that much and it would be cheaper. Baseline PSU.
M12-II 520W - 99/105$
Not sure why the price says 99/105. Same PSUs basically, but semi-modular.
G-550 (550W obviously) - 139$
Fully modular, 80+ Gold instead of Bronze and generally better performance.

That rules out any GPU >712$.
ITX and other versions with only one fan are also pointless.
That leaves us with the following in order of price
GALAX EXOC Sniper - 619$
>622$ -> P400 + G-550 no longer possible
Zotac Mini - 629$ (slower than the GALAX)
MSI ARMOR - 689$ (assuming it's the non-OC version ~Zotac Mini, otherwise in the middle between Zotac Mini and GALAX)
>692$ -> only P400S + S12-II or P300 + M12-II possible
ZOTAC AMP! Core - 709$ (~GALAX)
>702$ -> only P300 + S12-II possible
ASUS DUAL - 709$ (non-OC version ~MSI Armor/Zotac Mini, OC version ~GALAX)
Gigabyte Windforce OC - 709$ (~GALAX/Asus Dual OC)

I know the budget probably isn't that hard capped at exactly 3500, but you were willing to put some effort into this (unlike some others I've seen) so I'll do the same.

I know it exists, it's just not available in that shop.

posted 3 hours ago
#2603 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Ok, that's the alternative I already considered. Could go for a GTX 1070 instead of the 1060 (~580 equivalent) in that case.
This was the cheapest I could find so far, so that's what I'm using for the budget calculations.

16GB instead of 32GB RAM because it's the easiest to upgrade later?

About the case, I'm guessing the P400S is the version without the window or it would say so, that means the question is do you need a CD/DVD/blu-ray drive? If yes I'd say Enthoo Pro M, if no P400 or P300 (basically the same as the P400, just cheaper and smaller). Would those be ok / which one do you prefer?

There's no 4TB Seagate Barracuda so the options are:
3TB Toshiba, most likely P300/DT01ACA, same speed and cheaper than the 3TB Barracuda
4TB Seagate IronWolf NAS, more expensive and actually slightly slower (lower power consumption for NAS and so on).
4TB Toshiba, most likely P300/MD04ACA, which does produce interesting noise (think 90s HDD) when doing random reads/writes. Cheaper and faster than the IronWolf NAS though. If you're fine with the noise there are also 5 and 6TB versions. At 6TB there's also the HGST Deskstar NAS, slightly more expensive and slower than the Toshiba, but quiet.

Rest of the list is basically done, just need to choose the options now.
1700/1700X, cooler depending on case/budget left, RAM 16/32GB, SSD 500/1000GB, HDD obviously and GPU 1060/1070.

posted 21 hours ago
#2601 PC Build Thread in Hardware

I can't find any 144 Hz FreeSync monitor, could you help me?
Otherwise we'll just have to go with G-Sync and that obviously requires a different GPU.

posted 1 day ago
#4201 stream highlights in Videos

You have to keep in mind
Australian Internet Connection.

posted 2 days ago
#2599 PC Build Thread in Hardware

If the U2417H is cheaper then sure, go for it.

Pros for each:
5 instead of 4 USB ports.
2 instead of 1 USB port.
300 instead of 250 cd/m² (realistically though you'd usually use 120 for colour dependant work anyway)
So nothing that really matters.

Slightly better colours (although without calibration there's some variation and they're very close so the best 10% of U2415 are definitely better than the worst 10% of U2417H. After calibrating it would definitely be better, but not by much).
More energy efficient.
Again, none of this really matters.

Since the U2417H is cheaper and newer I'd get that one.

Now I just have to find a FreeSync monitor and then I can make the final part list.

posted 2 days ago
#2596 PC Build Thread in Hardware

I didn't check every monitor but I don't think they have any FreeSync monitors, any other shop you could use to get the monitors? There's also no price for the Dell IPS monitors.

Threadripper is still too expensive and so is Skylake-X so I think a 1700 (or 1700X for the higher base clock just to be sure) + overclocking would be the best option.

Any preferences for the case?

You should always have backups anyway?
Online/cloud services are good for incremental backups, but making and restoring a full backup will take quite a long time.
You can plug in the old drive (while the pc is turned off) after you've installed the OS on the new one, then just copy the files and use the old HDD for backups.

posted 4 days ago
#2593 PC Build Thread in Hardware

That promise is rather irrelevant. Other shops have already sent out a couple CPUs, there's just not that many. Can't say it'll be "in stock in x days" when the next two batches they'll get will all go towards fulfilling existing orders.

Wouldn't just pick whichever store promises the earliest delivery date, regardless of price, but yes you'll probably have to order at some point without it being in stock (at best with an estimated delivery date). So one of the shops where it's "only" 280-290 should be fine.
Keep in mind that no one really knows how it'll all work out because some people have preordered one at all shops to get a CPU asap.

posted 1 week ago
#2591 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Not a fan of the 212 Evo but I'm too lazy to copy pase the reasons. Surely you can afford a better cooler though?
Mobo is a bit overkill, check which features you actually need.
Seagate Barracuda or Toshiba P300 are faster and usually cheaper than a WD Blue.
Not a fan of the 200R, like I said before it's basically a 40$ case but Corsair expects you to pay 80$ for it.
<350W build. 650W PSU. That's a bit overkill, there's no way you're going to need that much even with overclocking.

Rest looks fine.

posted 1 week ago
#23 Sticky traps in TF2 General Discussion
gemmTraps are a crutch for people who can't airsticky

Airsticky got nerfed, now you've got to put them on the floor anyway. Or aim.

@OP: Empty server. Put sticky. Walk in from where opponents would walk in. Can you see the sticky?
Yes -> Try again.
No -> This is now a trap.

Also you can make people look in a different direction.
Planning to bomb in a soldier? -> Whole floor is now trappable.
Dropdown -> ceiling trap
Door -> trap left side and right side. People will try to get as far away as possible from the stickies they saw and walk backwards/sidewards into those they didn't see.
Sticky towards the side of a choke, then spam the choke with pipes. They don't look at the pipes / don't move / check for stickies -> free damage. They move -> trap
Fucked up your push and everyone thinks there's no time to set up traps -> Enemies will only look forward, put some stickies on a random corner, but not inside the chokepoints where they'll check. E.g. gullywash mid is full of "corners" including the nipple.

posted 1 week ago
#2589 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Well rumour has it that next year there will be 8 cores and Z390, Intel might screw everyone looking to upgrade over again.
After that comes Ice Lake, which is a new architecture which traditionally means a new socket in Intel's case.

MSRP is 257$. Exchange rates aren't that favourable and then there's still tax on top of it so I don't think 220€ is going to happen. It should get a little bit cheaper though once it's in stock.
Like I said it should be doable within 1500€ and there's nothing but Z370 anyway.

Just post again if I forget to check when it's in stock.

posted 1 week ago
#12 PC Won't Turn On in Q/A Help

Good for you.
I'm just saying it could be goodererer, had you waited one more day.
Or you could saved money.

posted 1 week ago
#10 PC Won't Turn On in Q/A Help

I have no idea how a new CPU would suddenly turn your monitor into a 4K or 3D monitor or into a VR headset.
A faster CPU is faster.
TF2 loves fast CPUs.

posted 1 week ago
#2587 PC Build Thread in Hardware

I'll try to make a partlist tomorrow.

Rough sketch of a maxed out build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor (€299.99 @ ARLT)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler (€38.72 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€125.66 @ Mindfactory)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€151.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€94.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda Pro 5TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€172.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card (€536.94 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (White) ATX Mid Tower Case (€55.82 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€66.84 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €1543.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-07 15:01 CEST+0200
Would obviously have to push it below 1500€, but that's doable.

There's quite a few options for the CPU though.
Only Z370 (same as Z270) has been released and only 300 series chipsets support Coffee Lake, because Intel wants your money. Since for CFL you have to buy a Z chipset anyway the only added cost for overclocking would be a cooler and a K CPU. However the non-K were handicapped a bit as well, 300-400 MHz slower.

Anyway because CFL CPUs aren't at MSRP yet and it will still take a while until they're in stock everywhere if he doesn't want to wait and doesn't want to overclock Kaby Lake can still make sense. E.g. i3-8350K and i5-7600 are basically the same speed and the 7600 is a bit more expensive and locked, but since he doesn't care about that and would be forced to buy a more expensive Z370 mobo (only option for CFL) and a cooler it ends up being cheaper. Same with the i3-8100 and i5-7500/7400.

Now if he does want 6 cores then CFL is basically the only option. He'd have to wait a bit though. If he doesn't want to overclock then the 8600K would be a bit of a waste, sure 0.3 GHz higher boost clocks, but even if he had to get a cooler anyway to ensure the 8400 always gets the full boost it's still a 80€ difference.

So basically 4 cores or 6 cores?
Right now or is later this month still soon enough?

Any other features for the monitor? 1 ms response time is a lie btw, ignore what it says on the box, only trust reviews.
Other than that just post again in the week he'll build it so I can make an up to date partlist.

posted 1 week ago
#2584 PC Build Thread in Hardware

It's not like it wouldn't run without overclocking, just about performance. In most games it probably won't make difference, you're more likely to be limited by the GPU.

You should select a mobo based on the features you want/need, not just which brand you remember.
Newegg is shipping from the US, so add 19% tax and x% customs. It will neither be cheaper nor faster than ordering from German shops. Do you mean geizhals?

Wouldn't make a difference for browsing. Generally K = overclocking, although the stock clockrates are higher I don't think it's enough to justify the >50€ difference + price for a cooler you'd have to pay if you don't overclock.
I'll have to see how the budget works out.

Any specific games?

posted 2 weeks ago
#2582 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Resolution/size/features for the monitor?
ARK/Dota would be GPU limited and PUBG doesn't runs like shit anyway so he could away with an i3, now that they got 4 cores. i7 would definitely overkill, I'd just wait and see how it works out with the budget, but probably an i5.
Overclocking yes/no?

When is he going to build?
Overclocking yes/no?
MSI - X370 is not a mobo. That's a manufacturer and a chipset. Also why would you order from newegg with a budget in €?
Don't need a 600W PSU, just a good PSU.
There's not much point in 8 cores / 16 threads for gaming. New 4c/4t i3s should be much cheaper and faster, 6c/6t i5 at most.
XFire/SLI used to be ok-ish and will never be good again. SFR is way too much work, AFR is basically a gimmick but still wasted effort because why even bother when you can force your customers to buy a new faster GPU? Old used GPUs being added later doesn't make them any money and people buying two GPUs instead of one that's more than twice as expensive isn't good for them either. For those that would've bought 4 600$ GPUs for 4-way SLI you just support 2-way SLI on the high end GPUs and disable it for all others and make the fastest GPU a 1200$ Titan. More profit, less effort.

Please no 212 Evo.
Coffee Lake has been released, Kaby Lake recommendations make no sense at all.

It hasn't even been half a day since launch. Before that shops weren't even technically allowed to list it. We'll see how bad or good the supply situation is tomorrow. Launch prices are inflated anyway, so unless you have to buy right now I'd wait anyway.

posted 2 weeks ago
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