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#2530 PC Build Thread in Hardware

#2526
Not really predictable.
Even assuming energy costs stays the same and hashing power / difficulty increase like they used to you'd still have to know how the price will change. No one really knows that and if they did they wouldn't tell you and instead make a few millions. If the price suddenly drops it might end rather soon, if it rises then this might take quite a while. There's also the problem that people might start looking for the next big thing and with everyone investing in the same coin, believing it to blow up soon it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

#2527
After the slump to 150$ in July we're back to 300$. I wouldn't hold my breath.

Just getting a wafer through the fab takes 3 months, then you should need to assemble the GPU and ship it (in the literal sense) so 4 months is a very optimistic estimate. Also the machines involved in semiconductor manufacturing are so expensive and maintenance intensive and the personnel can't be laid off that it costs basically the same to have a fab running at full capacity as it costs to not do manufacture anything. TSMC/GF/Samsung don't just have more capacity lying around, it's booked months or years in advance, so just giving them a call won't cut it unless you're willing to pay more than the fines they have to pay for delaying or reducing the volume delivered to other customers.

#2528
The WD Black is almost never worth it because it's really not that fast. The 1TB version especially wasn't any faster than a standard Seagate Barracuda half its price when it launched and isn't any faster now, since there hasn't been a new version since 2013.
vs old Barracuda http://hdd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Seagate-Barracuda-720014-1TB-vs-WD-Black-1TB-2013/1849vs1822
vs new Barracuda http://hdd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Seagate-Barracuda-1TB-2016-vs-WD-Black-1TB-2013/3896vs1822
vs Toshiba P300 (same as DT01ACA) http://hdd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Toshiba-P300-1TB-vs-WD-Black-1TB-2013/3589vs1822

If you're going for speed buy an SSD.

There is cheaper RAM. Zen is a bit weird and might be faster with lower clocked dual rank RAM instead of >=3000MHz single rank. Could be server optimizations first, could be by design because on servers bandwidth is more important. Read up on it if you want to go down the rabbit hole and search for dual rank RAM.

There are no reviews for the new CX series yet, but it's made by Great Wall, which makes me worry that it's another bait and switch (sell good PSU at a decent price, then switch to a much cheaper OEM once everyone knows they are good). Either way it's non-modular so the CXM series is better by default at the same price. Also there is no way you're going to get that build to 600W oc'd without anything catching fire. 450W are plenty.

As I've said before the 200R is a good 30-40$ budget case and simply not worth it for 70$. But I'm not going to stop you.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($197.65 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($99.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: GeIL - EVO POTENZA 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($104.64 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.38 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Dual Video Card ($289.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($26.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus - DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($17.84 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1061.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-20 05:18 EDT-0400

#2529
Supply and demand. Supply is tight, demand is high. DDR3 is going out of production so supply is soon to be nonexistent.

posted 2 days ago
#2524 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Seems like it'll be in stock in Germany next week or end of August, depending on the shop, so that might be an option.
There's the Freezer 33 (not in stock at alternate.dk either) and the Hyper 212 TR (not even listed) which are both not exactly high end and seem like odd choices for a 200W CPU. They Arctic/CM probably went with those only because those sell the most and selling a <30$ cooler with minor modifications for 45$ is basically as good as it gets. At the high end they'd rather sell 150$ Aios. That's why there's no other air coolers. Why put money into making 70$ air coolers compatible with TR4 when you can just force everyone to buy >100$ water coolers? If marketing has done its job everyone who wants high performance will buy those anyway and everyone who doesn't will buy those basic 30$ coolers at a markup.

posted 3 days ago
#2522 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Frankly if you don't care about settings/fps any pc will do, if you do however then 5-8 years simply isn't happening.

Good luck though finding anything other than sealed fans on a GPU or getting an answer from any company about that.

posted 3 days ago
#2520 PC Build Thread in Hardware

1K is not a range. What is the range?

CPU: MHz/GHz are largely meaningless which is why AMD originally came up with names like "4000+" for a 2400 MHz CPU which was supposed to be as fast or faster than a 4000 MHz Pentium 4. Because Intel tried to really cash in on people buying based on clockspeeds, being used to same clockspeed = same performance. The Pentium 4 ended up clocking very high and needing a lot of power to do so, while not delivering on the performance end. That's what happens when you let marketing decide which goals are more important for a new architecture.
By 3 things I assume you mean clockspeed, cores and hyperthreading (or SMT, the non-marketing name for it which everyone uses except Intel)? SMT is basically a crutch to speed things up when more cores would be useful without actually adding more cores. Intel let's you pay for it just like you'd have to for more cores, AMD leaves it enabled except on the low end where you have to disable something to justify the lower price without crippling the CPU completely. It ends up being basically a footnote and will be included in multithreaded performance considerations anyway. You don't have to care if the faster CPU is the one with 4 cores + SMT or the one with 6 cores but without SMT. Assuming the price is the same you'll buy the faster one either way. Generally speaking for games you want 4 threads, but going beyond that the usefullness quickly diminishes. One can argue for 6 or even 8 cores, but going from 8 to 16 would probably not change much. In fact with 16 cores (32 threads with SMT) some games (e.g. DiRT 4) can't even start because no one ever thought they'd have to run on a system with >=20 threads (disabling SMT does solve that problem for <=20 cores though). Anyway more on that later.
Clockrate is still important because beyond a handful of threads/cores games are usually limited by the performance per thread. As mentioned above simply comparing the clockrates won't work because different architectures perform differently at the same clockrate. E.g. the FX-8350 is clocked rather high but still much slower than the competition back when it was launched and now just laughably outclassed even by CPUs with lower clockrates.

PSU: Depends on the exact model. What you're asking right now is the same as asking me to tell you the top speed of a car based on age, manufacturer and length.
It's Corsair so it should at least have the basic protection circuits and won't set your PC on fire, other than that you'll now when it stops working when your PC suddenly turns off or won't start. There is no test beyond "Yep, it turned on, seems to be working" that you could do yourself and any proper test would cost more than a new PSU. I can only give you an estimate based on the model. There are good PSUs that can last a decade easily (and have the warranty to back up that claim) and there are others that I'd simply replace even if I wasn't concerned about the probably impending failure because a new, far better performing PSU will have paid itself through higher efficiency within a year.
Do no open a PSU. Seriously. Yes, if it's working correctly it should be safe but then there's no reason to open it. Compressed air works fine and doesn't void your warranty though that might be a moot point.

Future proofing: Has never worked. You're trying to predict the future and will most likely fail. Generally invest in a more powerful CPU since to replace it after a few years you'd have to replace the mobo (new sockets every couple of years) and RAM (DDR3->DDR4 was just done recently, but DDR5 is a thing that will happen sooner or later) as well. Performance increases are also larger on the GPU side so they will become outdated far sooner. So a 1070 will definitely not last forever. Whether or not it's enough for what you're going to run is a different story but you haven't told me.
SLI is pretty much dead because nVidia is blocking it on half of their GPUs and doesn't care much about drivers for it on the other half. So the performance benefit is either not worth it for the cost since you're paying more than twice (GPU + mobo + PSU) for 50-70% more fps if it works well (<30% if it does not) or the performance benefit is simply nonexistent because SLI isn't supported in that game. There are in theory ways for game developers to support multi GPU setups directly like explicit multiadapter in DX12 and similar things in Vulkan, but considering the lack of Vulkan games and how much devs are struggling to get games to perform better with DX12 than with DX11 that might take quite a while. I wouldn't hold my breath.
Ignore consoles. Actual multi platform games will be perform vastly different on PC because of all the shenanigans that only happen on consoles to be able to claim it's 1080p or 2K or 4K. Console ports can be divided into two categories: a) those that have been basically rewritten and again are so different from the console version that it's not worth comparing them and b) actual ports which always run like dogshit no matter how fast your hardware is.
Also in terms of CPU power they are really nothing to write home about. Remember when I wrote about how different architectures perform differently? The console CPUs (PS4/Xbox One and newer) are basically two Athlon 5350s bolted together. Not 8 cores instead of 4, literally two 4 core CPUs bolted together. Not exactly fast mobile CPUs at that.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7933/the-desktop-kabini-review-part-1-athlon-5350-am1/4
Keep in mind that the 3770K and 4770K are also just quad core CPUs and by now outdated. Sure, they are clocked at almost twice the speed (close to 4 GHz vs 2.05 GHz on the Athlon 5350), but the consoles aren't clocked any higher (PS4 1.6, Xbox One (S) 1.75, PS4 Pro 2.1, Xbox One X 2.3) and even at the same clockspeed and with twice the cores they wouldn't stack up favourably against outdated desktop quad cores. Yes, Microsoft likes to call the cores in the Xbox One X "highly customized" but that's like calling a house with a lime green paintjob "highly customized". Sure, it's different, but it doesn't really do anything and there were definitely better ways to spend that money.

posted 3 days ago
#236 mastercomfig - fps/customization config in Customization

You can edit posts. There is no need to post twice within one minute.

stabbyset to use non-physical cores, while hl2.exe is set to the physical ones).

That is not how it works.
You can't run anything on a non-physical core. Both threads run on the same physical core. There is no preference either.

posted 4 days ago
#5 El Classico Predictions ? in World Events

How can it be edgy if 's' is round?

posted 6 days ago
#2517 PC Build Thread in Hardware

I'd have to look it up SLI or no SLI?
https://www.alternate.dk/Corsair/CX-750M-750W-ATX-Sort-enhed-til-str%C3%B8mforsyning-PC-str%C3%B8mforsyning/html/product/1253699?
is in stock and 750W should be plenty, even if you push both the 1080 Ti and 1950X to >300W. As long as it's a single 1080 Ti.
There are better PSUs but I don't know how much you've left.

posted 1 week ago
#2515 PC Build Thread in Hardware

No, it's an official date. Except not for the release. Intel has announced that they will "unveil the 8th Generation Intel® Core™ processor" on 21.08.2017, meaning they will announce that it is in fact Coffee Lake and the best thing since sliced bread. Once Intel officially acknowledges that Coffee Lake is indeed a thing and part of the 8xxx Core iX lineup they can announce release dates for specific SKUs.
You can't just willy-nilly put a release date on your website and then release everything on that date. You have to put a date on your website and invite everyone to tell them how great it'll be once it's released and then tell them release date.

So the guess is still early september, maybe one or two SKUs (e.g. i7-8700K and i5-8600K) on the 21st, then the rest of the Desktop SKUs (possibly excluding those made from smaller dies, so only 6 cores, 2/4 cores later) probably in early September and then staggering the rest over the rest of the year.

posted 1 week ago
#2513 PC Build Thread in Hardware

Yes, wait for Coffee Lake.
Higher clockrates as well, so if you don't plan on overclocking it'll be faster.
If you do plan on overclocking but don't think you'll need more cores/threads why get the i7-7700K instead of the i5-7600K? And in that case you could wait for the i3-8350K. Same 4 cores as the i5-7600K.

posted 1 week ago
#34 euro soldiers and snipers in TF2 General Discussion

You can't have central europeans and scandinavians on 5 ping at the same time.
And to this day I have never played on a Stockholm server.

posted 1 week ago
#30 euro soldiers and snipers in TF2 General Discussion
amplifierworshipI think Europeans on average tend to play on lower ping (not true for Scandinavians I know) whereas many NA west coast or Canadian players rarely see below 70 ping and ESEA servers seem to add 20 for no good reason. And of course the inverse when east coasters have to play on a the occasional Dallas or Colorado server. This might account for some of this phenomenon if there is any truth to it at all.

Is there anything 5 ping can't be blamed for?

You still can't explain scandinavians though, they are mysteriously good at video games.

posted 1 week ago
#2510 PC Build Thread in Hardware

For TF2 yes, for everything else no.
Your motherboard is too old, there are no new CPUs that fit. New motherboard compatible with new CPUs also use DDR4 RAM and CPU + mobo + RAM really isn't doable with your budget.
You can look for a used i5-3570 (or 3570K) or i7-3770(K) if that is cheaper.

Your CPU is actually a dual core. 2 cores, but 4 threads. That is a thing.

posted 1 week ago
#2508 PC Build Thread in Hardware

There's not enough RX 570s in stock to get below/close to 150, so the 1050 Ti is basically the best GPU (and most expensive obviously) that is still within budget.

You won't get more fps in TF2 though, because that is CPU bound. Other than that a 1050 Ti should be about twice as fast as a 650 Ti. It actually needs less power so you don't even have to check which PSU you got, if the 650 Ti worked then the 1050 Ti will work just fine.

posted 1 week ago
#2506 PC Build Thread in Hardware

No, FX-8350 isn't good either.
1050 is about 60% faster than a 750 Ti.

I just noticed I got 4 nerd stars now.

posted 1 week ago
#137 mastercomfig - fps/customization config in Customization

Sometimes. Sometimes he's sure about things that are definitely wrong though.
Some claims can simply be ignored and all others should be tested before trusting them. If you want to study the placebo effect he's your guy. I mean he tries to get it right and believes what he says, but that doesn't make it correct.

posted 1 week ago
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