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841
#841
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Thank you so much Setsul!

Thank you so much Setsul!
842
#842
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Hey there, looking to upgrade my GPU (ATI Radeon HD 7560D + 7670 Dual) and my 300w power supply for under 100-150$. I really don't know what to look for (model, memory) and some suggestions would be helpful!

Hey there, looking to upgrade my GPU (ATI Radeon HD 7560D + 7670 Dual) and my 300w power supply for under 100-150$. I really don't know what to look for (model, memory) and some suggestions would be helpful!
843
#843
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thanks a bunch setsul

thanks a bunch setsul
844
#844
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Hey guys,
I'm looking to build my first setup after using a toaster laptop for years. My budget is about $600, but I can go a tad over if necessary. The only games I'll pretty much play are tf2, csgo, reflex, quakelive, and the upcoming overwatch. I'm a total newbie when it comes to pc building so any suggestions are appreciated!

Hey guys,
I'm looking to build my first setup after using a toaster laptop for years. My budget is about $600, but I can go a tad over if necessary. The only games I'll pretty much play are tf2, csgo, reflex, quakelive, and the upcoming overwatch. I'm a total newbie when it comes to pc building so any suggestions are appreciated!
845
#845
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#843
I'm assuming you want to spend as little as possible.

Why are you upgrading? I'm assuming it's because you're not getting as much fps as you'd like. Make sure it's a GPU and not a CPU bottleneck. Think about how much fps you want, then you can choose the cheapest GPU that'll get you enough performance.

#845
Same as always, what settings/resolution/fps?
I've delayed this post a bit for that reason, but as of 2 hours ago there are finally proper benchmarks for Overwatch so now I can offer more than an educated guess.
http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/2200-overwatch-gpu-benchmark-and-fps-tests

#843
I'm assuming you want to spend as little as possible.

Why are you upgrading? I'm assuming it's because you're not getting as much fps as you'd like. Make sure it's a GPU and not a CPU bottleneck. Think about how much fps you want, then you can choose the cheapest GPU that'll get you enough performance.

#845
Same as always, what settings/resolution/fps?
I've delayed this post a bit for that reason, but as of 2 hours ago there are finally proper benchmarks for Overwatch so now I can offer more than an educated guess.
http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/2200-overwatch-gpu-benchmark-and-fps-tests
846
#846
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SetsulMake sure it's a GPU and not a CPU bottleneck

It's definitely a GPU bottleneck. I've looked up my graphics card and it has 512 MB of dedicated video ram.

SetsulThink about how much fps you want

I have a 60hz monitor, so I'm aiming for a little bit over that when playing 1366x768 on high-end games on medium to high settings.

SetsulYou can choose the cheapest GPU that'll get you enough performance.

How do I choose it though? Can I just pick up any graphics card and it'll work fine or do I need to look for a specific set of GPUs that works with my setup?

[quote=Setsul]Make sure it's a GPU and not a CPU bottleneck[/quote]

It's definitely a GPU bottleneck. I've looked up my graphics card and it has 512 MB of dedicated video ram.

[quote=Setsul]Think about how much fps you want[/quote]

I have a 60hz monitor, so I'm aiming for a little bit over that when playing 1366x768 on high-end games on medium to high settings.

[quote=Setsul]You can choose the cheapest GPU that'll get you enough performance.[/quote]

How do I choose it though? Can I just pick up any graphics card and it'll work fine or do I need to look for a specific set of GPUs that works with my setup?
847
#847
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So this is my newly bought rig.
Wanna know what you guys think.

CPU: AMD FX-6350 (6 Cores)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro-ATX
RAM: 8GB DDR3 1600Mhz
Storage: Seagate 1TB Hybrid SSD
GPU: Nvidia GTX 960 2GB DDR5
Power Supply: EVGA 600W Bronze
Case: Corsair Carbide Spec 03
Operating System: Windows 7 Pro

Monitor is undecided as of yet, but hoping to use my old crappy one whilst i save for a 120hz with 1080p.

So this is my newly bought rig.
Wanna know what you guys think.

CPU: [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd6350frhkbox]AMD FX-6350 (6 Cores)[/url]
Motherboard: [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-ga78lmtusb3]Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro-ATX[/url]
RAM: [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-memory-cmz8gx3m2a1600c9]8GB DDR3 1600Mhz[/url]
Storage: [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dx001]Seagate 1TB Hybrid SSD[/url]
GPU: [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/zotac-video-card-zt9030110m]Nvidia GTX 960 2GB DDR5[/url]
Power Supply: [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-100b10600kr]EVGA 600W Bronze[/url]
Case: [url=https://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-cc9011053ww]Corsair Carbide Spec 03[/url]
Operating System: Windows 7 Pro


Monitor is undecided as of yet, but hoping to use my old crappy one whilst i save for a 120hz with 1080p.
848
#848
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#847
Going by that logic I'd say it's an HDD bottleneck.
RAM and HDDs only do one thing: They store data. As long as you don't run out of space it's absolutely irrelevant how much you have in total.

What are "high-end games". How much fps are you getting currently on those settings in these "high-end games"?

#848
6 core CPU with mediocre single threaded performance that was never good for games? Check.
Said CPU being 3 years old which makes the decision even more puzzling? Check.
Useless SSHD? Check.
600W PSU for a 300W build? Check.
Expensive case? Check.
Pro version of an outdated operating system? Check.

#847
Going by that logic I'd say it's an HDD bottleneck.
RAM and HDDs only do one thing: They store data. As long as you don't run out of space it's absolutely irrelevant how much you have in total.

What are "high-end games". How much fps are you getting currently on those settings in these "high-end games"?

#848
6 core CPU with mediocre single threaded performance that was never good for games? Check.
Said CPU being 3 years old which makes the decision even more puzzling? Check.
Useless SSHD? Check.
600W PSU for a 300W build? Check.
Expensive case? Check.
Pro version of an outdated operating system? Check.
849
#849
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SetsulGoing by that logic I'd say it's an HDD bottleneck.
RAM and HDDs only do one thing: They store data. As long as you don't run out of space it's absolutely irrelevant how much you have in total.

I know that you are trying to tell me if it's really my graphics card the problem, but at this point, it's pretty obvious that my GPU is the reason why I get 20-30 fps in battle on games such as Dirty Bomb on low settings at 720p.

SetsulWhat are "high-end games"

High-end games to me are the triple-a games, such as Battlefield 4, Star Wars Battlefront, Assassin's Creed, etc.

What I am looking for is to run demanding games, such as Overwatch, at a smooth and consistent 60 fps on medium settings at 720p, since I don't care about graphics.

[quote=Setsul]Going by that logic I'd say it's an HDD bottleneck.
RAM and HDDs only do one thing: They store data. As long as you don't run out of space it's absolutely irrelevant how much you have in total.
[/quote]

I know that you are trying to tell me if it's really my graphics card the problem, but at this point, it's pretty obvious that my GPU is the reason why I get 20-30 fps in battle on games such as Dirty Bomb on low settings at 720p.

[quote=Setsul]What are "high-end games"[/quote]

High-end games to me are the triple-a games, such as Battlefield 4, Star Wars Battlefront, Assassin's Creed, etc.

What I am looking for is to run demanding games, such as Overwatch, at a smooth and consistent 60 fps on medium settings at 720p, since I don't care about graphics.
850
#850
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I still don't get why 512MB VRAM matter.

Your GPU(s) being low end is not directly related to that. Also APUs are a stupid idea, especially if you're going to buy a dedicated GPU anyway. Two bottom of the barrel GPUs in Crossfire are still low end.

Triple A Games ok.

m0nkeidemanding games, such as Overwatch

And you've lost me again.

m0nkeimooth and consistent 60 fps on medium settings at 720p

If you can't get 60fps on 720p medium in Star Wars Battlefront something else is wrong.

http://media.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2015/game-bench/battlefront/battlefront-gpu-1080-medium.png

m0nkeisince I don't care about graphics.

I've heard lower settings improve fps. Since you don't care about graphics you might want to use the lowest settings.

I still don't get why 512MB VRAM matter.

Your GPU(s) being low end is not directly related to that. Also APUs are a stupid idea, especially if you're going to buy a dedicated GPU anyway. Two bottom of the barrel GPUs in Crossfire are still low end.

Triple A Games ok.
[quote=m0nkei]demanding games, such as Overwatch[/quote]
And you've lost me again.
[quote=m0nkei]mooth and consistent 60 fps on medium settings at 720p[/quote]
If you can't get 60fps on 720p medium in Star Wars Battlefront something else is wrong.
[img]http://media.gamersnexus.net/images/media/2015/game-bench/battlefront/battlefront-gpu-1080-medium.png[/img]

[quote=m0nkei]since I don't care about graphics.[/quote]
I've heard lower settings improve fps. Since you don't care about graphics you might want to use the lowest settings.
851
#851
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SetsulI've heard lower settings improve fps. Since you don't care about graphics you might want to use the lowest settings.m0nkeiI get 20-30 fps in battle on games such as Dirty Bomb on low settings at 720p.

?

SetsulAlso APUs are a stupid idea, especially if you're going to buy a dedicated GPU anyway. Two bottom of the barrel GPUs in Crossfire are still low end.

I know. This is exactly why I'm looking to replace it.

Star Wars Battlefront was an example of an AAA game. I don't know what performances I get from this specific game. I do know that I have a hard time running "lower-tier" games smoothly on low settings/resolution.

[quote=Setsul]I've heard lower settings improve fps. Since you don't care about graphics you might want to use the lowest settings.[/quote]

[quote=m0nkei]I get 20-30 fps in battle on games such as Dirty Bomb on low settings at 720p.[/quote]

?

[quote=Setsul]Also APUs are a stupid idea, especially if you're going to buy a dedicated GPU anyway. Two bottom of the barrel GPUs in Crossfire are still low end.[/quote]

I know. This is exactly why I'm looking to replace it.

Star Wars Battlefront was an example of an AAA game. I don't know what performances I get from this specific game. I do know that I have a hard time running "lower-tier" games smoothly on low settings/resolution.
852
#852
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You say you don't care about graphics, but you want medium settings.

You should already be getting 60fps on 720p medium in SW:BF, but instead of playing SW:BF you complain about getting 20fps in Dirty bomb.

If you want 60fps in Dirty bomb say so.
You said you want 60fps in SW:BF which you should already be getting.

I just can't see the problem.

You say you don't care about graphics, but you want medium settings.

You should already be getting 60fps on 720p medium in SW:BF, but instead of playing SW:BF you complain about getting 20fps in Dirty bomb.

If you want 60fps in Dirty bomb say so.
You said you want 60fps in SW:BF which you should already be getting.

I just can't see the problem.
853
#853
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SetsulYou said you want 60fps in SW:BF which you should already be getting.

I said that this game was an example of an AAA game. I never said I owned the game.

SetsulI just can't see the problem.

Alright, I'm gonna try to rephrase what I'm trying to mean :

I was getting at best 30 fps when playing Dirty Bomb on the lowest settings and on 720p. I tried other things to get better fps by doing the usual things (defragmenting, closing background programs), but that didn't help. I don't play Dirty Bomb anymore, but it made me realise that my computer is not good at handling more demanding games than TF2. I did some research, and I saw that my GPU was low tier for multiple reasons. I want to play more demanding games than Dirty Bomb (like Overwatch), so I'm looking to upgrade my GPU.

I hope this clears out most things and you can help me recommend a good GPU/power supply combo for the best price.

[quote=Setsul]You said you want 60fps in SW:BF which you should already be getting.[/quote]
I said that this game was an example of an AAA game. I never said I owned the game.

[quote=Setsul]I just can't see the problem.[/quote]

Alright, I'm gonna try to rephrase what I'm trying to mean :

I was getting at best 30 fps when playing Dirty Bomb on the lowest settings and on 720p. I tried other things to get better fps by doing the usual things (defragmenting, closing background programs), but that didn't help. I don't play Dirty Bomb anymore, but it made me realise that my computer is not good at handling more demanding games than TF2. I did some research, and I saw that my GPU was low tier for multiple reasons. I want to play more demanding games than Dirty Bomb (like Overwatch), so I'm looking to upgrade my GPU.

I hope this clears out most things and you can help me recommend a good GPU/power supply combo for the best price.
854
#854
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Setsul#845
Same as always, what settings/resolution/fps?
I've delayed this post a bit for that reason, but as of 2 hours ago there are finally proper benchmarks for Overwatch so now I can offer more than an educated guess.
http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/2200-overwatch-gpu-benchmark-and-fps-tests

Preferably on medium-high settings, 1920x1080 res, and on 60 fps.

[quote=Setsul]
#845
Same as always, what settings/resolution/fps?
I've delayed this post a bit for that reason, but as of 2 hours ago there are finally proper benchmarks for Overwatch so now I can offer more than an educated guess.
http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/2200-overwatch-gpu-benchmark-and-fps-tests[/quote]

Preferably on medium-high settings, 1920x1080 res, and on 60 fps.
855
#855
7 Frags +

#854
You still don't understand, Dirty bomb is a different game.
But fuck it, here's the best I can do right now.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $114.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-25 03:58 EST-0500
If any of the deals expire I'll have to redo it, so either buy now or tell me before you do.

#855
Some nice black friday deals atm.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Panram Ninja-V 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($66.33 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.10 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CSM 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $537.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-25 04:11 EST-0500

Slightly better CPU and better PSU in case you want to get a better GPU (for AAA games or whatever) some day.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($204.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Panram Ninja-V 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($66.33 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.10 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $582.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-25 04:10 EST-0500

I'm going to ask enigma for a cut of the ad revenue, people are starting to register just for the PC Build Thread.

#854
You still don't understand, Dirty bomb is a different game.
But fuck it, here's the best I can do right now.
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Md6Rgs]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Md6Rgs/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-axr92702gbd5tdheoc]PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card[/url] ($89.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cx500]Corsair Builder 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($24.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Total:[/b] $114.98
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-25 03:58 EST-0500[/i]
If any of the deals expire I'll have to redo it, so either buy now or tell me before you do.

#855
Some nice black friday deals atm.
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jnkc8d]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jnkc8d/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56500]Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($184.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab150md3h]Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($59.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/panram-memory-pud42400c154g2njk]Panram Ninja-V 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($41.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e120bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($66.33 @ OutletPC)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($39.10 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-axr92702gbd5tdheoc]PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card[/url] ($89.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($29.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-cs450m]Corsair CSM 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($24.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Total:[/b] $537.37
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-25 04:11 EST-0500[/i]

Slightly better CPU and better PSU in case you want to get a better GPU (for AAA games or whatever) some day.
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pb48D3]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pb48D3/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i56600]Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($204.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab150md3h]Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($59.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/panram-memory-pud42400c154g2njk]Panram Ninja-V 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] ($41.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e120bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($66.33 @ OutletPC)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($39.10 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-axr92702gbd5tdheoc]PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card[/url] ($89.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($29.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-220g20550y1]EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($49.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Total:[/b] $582.37
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-25 04:10 EST-0500[/i]

I'm going to ask enigma for a cut of the ad revenue, people are starting to register just for the PC Build Thread.
856
#856
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SetsulI'm going to ask enigma for a cut of the ad revenue, people are starting to register just for the PC Build Thread.

Well you're doing a great job :D

Also on the same topic was thinking of upgrading my pc since I have some spare money ~200€. Atm it is:
CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 @ 3.2GHz
Motherboard: ASRock H81M-VG4 R2
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 280X Dual-X OC
Memory: Kingston HyperX Savage 8GB 1600MHz DDR3
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3.5'' 1TB
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
PSU: Cooler master THUNDER M series 620W
Case: Cooler Master N300

Would you have any suggestions? Probably will try streaming soon, so its probably kinda one of the reasons of upgrading, but mostly its just generally since I have some spare money.

[quote=Setsul]
I'm going to ask enigma for a cut of the ad revenue, people are starting to register just for the PC Build Thread.[/quote]
Well you're doing a great job :D

Also on the same topic was thinking of upgrading my pc since I have some spare money ~200€. Atm it is:
[b]CPU:[/b] Intel Core i5-4460 @ 3.2GHz
[b]Motherboard:[/b] ASRock H81M-VG4 R2
[b]Video Card:[/b] Sapphire Radeon R9 280X Dual-X OC
[b]Memory:[/b] Kingston HyperX Savage 8GB 1600MHz DDR3
[b]Storage:[/b] Seagate Barracuda 3.5'' 1TB
[b]Storage:[/b] Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
[b]PSU:[/b] Cooler master THUNDER M series 620W
[b]Case:[/b] Cooler Master N300

Would you have any suggestions? Probably will try streaming soon, so its probably kinda one of the reasons of upgrading, but mostly its just generally since I have some spare money.
857
#857
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#857
Ty.

Never upgrade just because you've got spare money. You might later realise that you want to upgrade something else and have no money left.

That said, for streaming if you want to use fairly high settings you could get a Xeon E3-1230 v3 or 1231 v3. Probably hard to find them <200€ atm, but if you sell the i5-4460 it's definitely within budget.
Also if I'm not mistaken that PSU is not even 80 Plus so you could replace that as well.

Other than that I don't see anything that would be worth upgrading, it's a very nice build.

#857
Ty.

Never upgrade just because you've got spare money. You might later realise that you want to upgrade something else and have no money left.

That said, for streaming if you want to use fairly high settings you could get a Xeon E3-1230 v3 or 1231 v3. Probably hard to find them <200€ atm, but if you sell the i5-4460 it's definitely within budget.
Also if I'm not mistaken that PSU is not even 80 Plus so you could replace that as well.

Other than that I don't see anything that would be worth upgrading, it's a very nice build.
858
#858
0 Frags +

#858
Thanks.
Btw would you have anything to recommend for 2nd monitor? atm I have BenQ XL2411Z, but since I might try streaming and also for university stuff 2nd monitor would be quite useful

#858
Thanks.
Btw would you have anything to recommend for 2nd monitor? atm I have BenQ XL2411Z, but since I might try streaming and also for university stuff 2nd monitor would be quite useful
859
#859
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860
#860
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So, taking into account the Black Friday shenanigans, I put together a 4790k build for a little more than the cost of the 6600k build Setsul helped me with. Overclocking is assumed.

Other than the slight possibility that Intel doesn't make a new chipset in the next 4 years (and thus that I could upgrade the 6600k at some point), what is the advantage to the Skylake build? The 4790k seems to outperform the 6600k slightly in single- and, of course, massively in anything which can use 8 threads.

So, taking into account the Black Friday shenanigans, I put together a [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yvVYkL]4790k build[/url] for a little more than the cost of the [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/J2FdZL]6600k build[/url] Setsul helped me with. Overclocking is assumed.

Other than the slight possibility that Intel doesn't make a new chipset in the next 4 years (and thus that I could upgrade the 6600k at some point), what is the advantage to the Skylake build? The 4790k seems to outperform the 6600k slightly in [url=https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html]single-[/url] and, of course, massively in anything which can use 8 threads.
861
#861
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Yooooooo. Been a while, tf.tv. This thread is an awesome resource and I wanna give big ups to everyone who has posted helpful shit in here (setsul.com). I haven't upgraded anything in about 4 years and I'd like to consider my options. Here are my main questions.

What's better, starting from scratch or keeping my old hdd and other crap and just upgrading mobo/processor/vid card?

DDR3 vs DDR4 - why does it matter?

i7 4790k vs i5 6600 vs i7 6700?

what are the cool video cards nowadays?

Thanks in advance. Hit me up any time I'm around if you want a bad ringer who doesn't play tf2 anymore.

Yooooooo. Been a while, tf.tv. This thread is an awesome resource and I wanna give big ups to everyone who has posted helpful shit in here (setsul.com). I haven't upgraded anything in about 4 years and I'd like to consider my options. Here are my main questions.

What's better, starting from scratch or keeping my old hdd and other crap and just upgrading mobo/processor/vid card?

DDR3 vs DDR4 - why does it matter?

i7 4790k vs i5 6600 vs i7 6700?

what are the cool video cards nowadays?

Thanks in advance. Hit me up any time I'm around if you want a bad ringer who doesn't play tf2 anymore.
862
#862
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Im looking for a 144hz monitor, any suggestions?

Im looking for a 144hz monitor, any suggestions?
863
#863
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Well you should tell how much money you want to spend on the monitor, then it will be easier for others to recommend you something

Well you should tell how much money you want to spend on the monitor, then it will be easier for others to recommend you something
864
#864
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Thanks a lot for the recommendation, Setsul. Really appreciate it. I'll look into it and I'll do some more homework.

Thanks a lot for the recommendation, Setsul. Really appreciate it. I'll look into it and I'll do some more homework.
865
#865
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#859
Better colours (->IPS) or just a cheap 60Hz side monitor?

#861
I think you're misunderstanding something here. Chipsets don't matter, the socket does. Intel has released a new series of chipsets every year for a decade now and never have they taken for 4 years to release a new one. So the chance of that happening are pretty much (maybe exactly) the same as the chance of meteorides hitting every Intel facility, destroying their production capabilities and killing most of their employees.
Intel is moving from tock-tick (new architecture - new process node) to tock-tick-tick (new arch - refresh - shrink) so LGA1151 is going to stay for a while. Kaby Lake (aka Skylake Refresh) (2016) and Cannonlake (2017) will definitely be LGA1151, after that we'll probably see a new socket. Until August 2018 there won't be any CPUs that won't fit the Skylake mobos. That's 3 years, good enough I'd say.

You are ignoring the different stock clockrates, which means the 6600K is at a massive disadvantage. If you're not delidding I'd expect the 6600K to OC better.

Other advantages: Z170, DDR4, M.2, Sata Express, more USB 3.0, more chipset PCIe bandwidth.

So the question is: Are you going to use anything that can use 8 threads?

#862
You can keep HDDs/SSDs, if you got backups. If not use the old ones as backup. The question isn't if, it's when one of them is going to fail. We're talking about desktop, not server usage so it's not unreasonable to expect 90% to survive 5 years, but is that going to make you feel better when you loose all your data? Back up anything you can't afford to loose.

Case and PSU depend on how good they are. Cases that require a blood sacrifice every time you add/replace any part are not worth keeping. Fractal Design Define R3? Yeah, should be fine, no need to upgrade to an R5.

DDR4 or DDR3 doesn't matter directly for you. A few Watt more or less might be a big deal on mobile devices, next to a GPU garbling up 300W not so much. The big differences are technical details and manufacturing. What that means for you are two things:
-DDR3 will become harder to get as it is phased out, so if you want to upgrade later DDR4 is the way to go.
-DDR4 supports higher speeds (and in turn higher speeds are supported by mobos) and is cheaper than DDR3 at high speeds. There is no 1600MHz DDR4 so DDR3 is obviously cheaper, at 2400MHz it's about equal, beyond that DDR4 is cheaper.
So unless you desperately need to save 10$ by going for 1600MHz DDR3 (a bit more if you a reusing your old RAM) there is no reason not to go with >=2400MHz DDR4 if you're getting a CPU that supports it.

6600/6700 K or non-K?
Also depends on what you're going to use the CPU for.

Same for GPUs, depends on what you'e going to use it for.

#863
Lightboost? If yes BenQ XL2411Z.
If no Acer GN246HL.

#864
You might want to take your own advice. ;-)

#859
Better colours (->IPS) or just a cheap 60Hz side monitor?

#861
I think you're misunderstanding something here. Chipsets don't matter, the socket does. Intel has released a new series of chipsets every year for a decade now and never have they taken for 4 years to release a new one. So the chance of that happening are pretty much (maybe exactly) the same as the chance of meteorides hitting every Intel facility, destroying their production capabilities and killing most of their employees.
Intel is moving from tock-tick (new architecture - new process node) to tock-tick-tick (new arch - refresh - shrink) so LGA1151 is going to stay for a while. Kaby Lake (aka Skylake Refresh) (2016) and Cannonlake (2017) will definitely be LGA1151, after that we'll probably see a new socket. Until August 2018 there won't be any CPUs that won't fit the Skylake mobos. That's 3 years, good enough I'd say.

You are ignoring the different stock clockrates, which means the 6600K is at a massive disadvantage. If you're not delidding I'd expect the 6600K to OC better.

Other advantages: Z170, DDR4, M.2, Sata Express, more USB 3.0, more chipset PCIe bandwidth.

So the question is: Are you going to use anything that can use 8 threads?

#862
You can keep HDDs/SSDs, if you got backups. If not use the old ones as backup. The question isn't if, it's when one of them is going to fail. We're talking about desktop, not server usage so it's not unreasonable to expect 90% to survive 5 years, but is that going to make you feel better when you loose all your data? Back up anything you can't afford to loose.

Case and PSU depend on how good they are. Cases that require a blood sacrifice every time you add/replace any part are not worth keeping. Fractal Design Define R3? Yeah, should be fine, no need to upgrade to an R5.

DDR4 or DDR3 doesn't matter directly for you. A few Watt more or less might be a big deal on mobile devices, next to a GPU garbling up 300W not so much. The big differences are technical details and manufacturing. What that means for you are two things:
-DDR3 will become harder to get as it is phased out, so if you want to upgrade later DDR4 is the way to go.
-DDR4 supports higher speeds (and in turn higher speeds are supported by mobos) and is cheaper than DDR3 at high speeds. There is no 1600MHz DDR4 so DDR3 is obviously cheaper, at 2400MHz it's about equal, beyond that DDR4 is cheaper.
So unless you desperately need to save 10$ by going for 1600MHz DDR3 (a bit more if you a reusing your old RAM) there is no reason not to go with >=2400MHz DDR4 if you're getting a CPU that supports it.

6600/6700 K or non-K?
Also depends on what you're going to use the CPU for.

Same for GPUs, depends on what you'e going to use it for.

#863
Lightboost? If yes BenQ XL2411Z.
If no Acer GN246HL.

#864
You might want to take your own advice. ;-)
866
#866
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Setsul#861

Yes, I meant socket, my bad. I didn't know about Intel's new schema, but in my case it won't effect my decision; I don't intend to upgrade again for at least 4 years. I hadn't seen a good analysis of overclocking results for the 6600k; an average clock of 4.6GHz is way better than I was expecting.

While I could probably validate some usage of 8 threads, the better single-threaded importance is definitely more important for my purposes. Thanks for the clarification.

[quote=Setsul]#861[/quote]
Yes, I meant socket, my bad. I didn't know about Intel's new schema, but in my case it won't effect my decision; I don't intend to upgrade again for at least 4 years. I hadn't seen a good analysis of overclocking results for the 6600k; an average clock of 4.6GHz is way better than I was expecting.

While I could probably validate some usage of 8 threads, the better single-threaded importance is definitely more important for my purposes. Thanks for the clarification.
867
#867
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Just a cheap side monitor, but at least like 19-20"(the bigger the better, if the quality is still decent ofc) for something under 100€

Just a cheap side monitor, but at least like 19-20"(the bigger the better, if the quality is still decent ofc) for something under 100€
868
#868
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Hello,

I am planning on updating my PC for streaming. Don't have room/etc for a streaming PC in my room, so updating my pc, as I feel I could improve on framerates a decent amt while using x264 as my encoder. Nvidia encoder solves it a little bit, but just doesn't look as nice. Wondering if I should bother? Should I wait a bit?

If worth, probably going to spend <= 1k AUD

Specs

CPU: i5 4690k @4.2ghz
GPU: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0
MOBO: Gigabyte Z97x-ud3h
PSU: Corsair AX 750 (overkill I know had it for years tho ;x)
Storage: 2x samsung 840/850 (can't remember) ssd's RAID 0
RAM: 8G ddr 3
Cooling: Noctua NH-D14

Hello,

I am planning on updating my PC for streaming. Don't have room/etc for a streaming PC in my room, so updating my pc, as I feel I could improve on framerates a decent amt while using x264 as my encoder. Nvidia encoder solves it a little bit, but just doesn't look as nice. Wondering if I should bother? Should I wait a bit?

If worth, probably going to spend <= 1k AUD

Specs

CPU: i5 4690k @4.2ghz
GPU: EVGA GTX 970 ACX 2.0
MOBO: Gigabyte Z97x-ud3h
PSU: Corsair AX 750 (overkill I know had it for years tho ;x)
Storage: 2x samsung 840/850 (can't remember) ssd's RAID 0
RAM: 8G ddr 3
Cooling: Noctua NH-D14
869
#869
-1 Frags +

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($36.29 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($42.49 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 950 2GB Video Card ($123.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Apex Vortex 3620 ATX Mid Tower Case ($31.45 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.10 @ SuperBiiz)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit) ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $751.27
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-25 21:34 EST-0500

please feel free to recommend any changes, and I need to know if I'm missing anything, its my first build.

also need recommendations on what wifi thingy to get
also what can i do for these compatibility notes? https://gyazo.com/907abdd98b5dc4023b4c01c6aecf931c

[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tCWD99]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tCWD99/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd6300wmhkbox]AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor[/url] ($89.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-970ag46]MSI 970A-G46 ATX AM3+ Motherboard[/url] ($49.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-memory-hx318c10f8]Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory[/url] ($36.29 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-internal-hard-drive-sv300s37a120g]Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($42.49 @ OutletPC)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/hitachi-internal-hard-drive-hde721010sla330]Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($43.00 @ Amazon)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/zotac-video-card-zt9060110l]Zotac GeForce GTX 950 2GB Video Card[/url] ($123.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/apex-case-vortex3620]Apex Vortex 3620 ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($31.45 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr]EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($39.10 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Operating System:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/microsoft-os-kw900140]Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit)[/url] ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
[b]Monitor:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-monitor-vg248qe]Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor[/url] ($209.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Total:[/b] $751.27
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-25 21:34 EST-0500[/i]

please feel free to recommend any changes, and I need to know if I'm missing anything, its my first build.

also need recommendations on what wifi thingy to get
also what can i do for these compatibility notes? https://gyazo.com/907abdd98b5dc4023b4c01c6aecf931c
870
#870
0 Frags +

870 -

Your CPU was never really that good when it came out. And it's been 3 years since then. Try going for a i5 4440 or i3 4130 build instead?

For your OS, get it off of /r/microsoftsoftwareswap for $15 instead. It might seem fishy, but it clears up budget for other parts of the build.

Unless you're really bent on using minimum graphics, I doubt you'll be able to hit 1080p 144fps on an i3/6300 and a 950. I mean, if it's only for TF2, then I think you can do that comfortably with Comanglia, though. Also, try buying a R9 280/285? I'm not sure how the 950 stacks up to its AMD counterparts so it may be fine.

870 -

Your CPU was never really that good when it came out. And it's been 3 years since then. Try going for a i5 4440 or i3 4130 build instead?

For your OS, get it off of /r/microsoftsoftwareswap for $15 instead. It might seem fishy, but it clears up budget for other parts of the build.

Unless you're really bent on using minimum graphics, I doubt you'll be able to hit 1080p 144fps on an i3/6300 and a 950. I mean, if it's only for TF2, then I think you can do that comfortably with Comanglia, though. Also, try buying a R9 280/285? I'm not sure how the 950 stacks up to its AMD counterparts so it may be fine.
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