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#1 The demoman nerf: a semi-statistical analysis in TF2 General Discussion

So, it's been roughly a month since the most recent round of demo nerfs (although substantially less time since they removed the super dumb stealth buff where dmg falloff was removed). I figured it was about time to talk about how the game has changed, both anecdotally and statistically.

To begin, from an anecdotal perspective. I was always opposed to any demo nerf that could have unforeseen (or seen by me but not by other people for some reason h3h) consequences. Unlike the most basic and, in my mind, acceptable nerf of reducing the number of stickies in a clip to like 6, the radius reduction has a much more tangible effect on other classes. Simply put, other classes just fear stickies less, as the ability to quickly airdet on scouts and rocket jumping soldiers has been vastly nerfed. Personally, I find the change very frustrating, as I feel like my playstyle (ie I was never exactly a pipe god) has been affected a lot in particular, and a lot of shots that would have hit before no longer do. I had like 1400 hours in demo before the nerf and it almost feels like I wasted a lot of the time.

Now, you might say all this is just a washed-up demo main whining about his class and not "adapting" like all the top players must surely be doing. I'm glad you thought that/said that out loud, generic composite forumgoer, as I have a bit of data I'd like to go through.

Let's start with the ESEA-I dmg stats from this season so far. Keep in mind, only two weeks have passed; however, the maps (snakewater and process) are certainly ones where demos have quite often top damaged in the past (at least more than on badlands and granary).

http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&last_type_scope=league&game_id=43&sort_by=ddm&sort_dir=desc&page=&type_scope=league&type_sub_scope=invite&d=overall&period%5Btype%5D=seasons&period%5Bseason_start%5D=186&period%5Bseason_type%5D=regular+season&period%5Bmatch_round%5D=&find_user_alias=

What we see on our top 10 is a field dominated by pocket soldiers. The highest-up demo is xalox at 3rd place, but he has a particularly small sample size, consisting of 1 game where his team annihilated Show Me the Monet, and two games where his team got rolled but his heals were roughly equivalent to those of his pocket soldier (leading me to believe that he got most of that damage falling back with his med after all of the rest of his team had died, or maybe holding last). After xalox, you have to go down to 10th place for Bdonski, a demo who has dominated such stats in the past as the core damage dealer of elevate. Here, he doesn't even crack a 300 average. The third highest demo is deadbolt at 18th, followed by duwatna at 22nd. To even get to the top 4 demos, we have to go through every pocket soldier in invite except for marmaduke (whose team has been rolled in every match they have played, and despite that he still sits at 23rd, above the bottom 5 demos), as well as a ton of roamers and scouts. Let's compare these stats to last season's ones.

http://play.esea.net/index.php?s=stats&last_type_scope=league&game_id=43&sort_by=ddm&sort_dir=desc&page=&type_scope=league&type_sub_scope=invite&d=overall&period%5Btype%5D=seasons&period%5Bseason_start%5D=182&period%5Bseason_type%5D=regular+season&period%5Bmatch_round%5D=&find_user_alias=

The difference between these two stat lines is staggering. Bdonski is at #1, as he should be given his team's playstyle, and most of the other demos are close behind (insom at 2nd, duwatna at 5th, deadbolt at 7th, chriz tah fah at 8th, dingo at 11th, xalox at 14th). There are only four players who don't play pocket or demo in the top 20- b4nny, clockwork, blaze, and ma3la. The three biggest outliers on their respective classes, followed by the roamer for the team that went 16-0 in the reg season last time around. In s18 so far, there are 8 such people.

If this is getting a little complicated, let's narrow the field and compare some team damage stats from season to season. Let's start with froyotech.

http://play.esea.net/teams/69987?tab=stats&last_type_scope=league&game_id=43&type_scope=league&period%5Btype%5D=seasons&period%5Bseason_start%5D=182&period%5Bseason_type%5D=regular+season&period%5Bmatch_round%5D=&sort_by=ddm&sort_dir=desc

Last season, duwatna got outdamaged by lansky, not surprising with their team's playstyle. However, both were well above 300 average dpm, and both were far above the rest of their team. Let's compare that to now:

http://play.esea.net/teams/69987?tab=stats&last_type_scope=league&game_id=43&type_scope=league&period%5Btype%5D=seasons&period%5Bseason_start%5D=186&period%5Bseason_type%5D=regular+season&period%5Bmatch_round%5D=&sort_by=ddm&sort_dir=desc

The difference is definitely noticeable. duwatna has gone from the 2nd highest damage-dealer on his team to the 5th, and lansky is now completely unchallenged at the top.

Let's look now at elevate, a team that is much more demo-centric and therefore might still have decent demo stats. Starting with last season:

http://play.esea.net/teams/77431?tab=stats&last_type_scope=league&game_id=43&type_scope=league&period%5Btype%5D=seasons&period%5Bseason_start%5D=182&period%5Bseason_type%5D=regular+season&period%5Bmatch_round%5D=&sort_by=ddm&sort_dir=desc

Again, Bdonski is clear #1, and rando is the clear #2, followed by a gap between those two and their flank classes. Now our current season:

http://play.esea.net/teams/77431?tab=stats&last_type_scope=league&game_id=43&type_scope=league&period%5Btype%5D=seasons&period%5Bseason_start%5D=186&period%5Bseason_type%5D=regular+season&period%5Bmatch_round%5D=&sort_by=ddm&sort_dir=desc

Bdonski has fallen to second on his team, despite the roamer/pocket switch that his soldiers made, leaving his team with no one cracking 300 dpm anymore (which is probably related to why they're less dominant than last season).

Finally, Street Hoops, our other consistent LAN presence. Here's last season:

http://play.esea.net/teams/74241?tab=stats&last_type_scope=league&game_id=43&type_scope=league&period%5Btype%5D=seasons&period%5Bseason_start%5D=182&period%5Bseason_type%5D=regular+season&period%5Bmatch_round%5D=&sort_by=ddm&sort_dir=desc

Despite their team's very pocket-centric playstyle, as well as deadbolt being a fairly passive demo, their team still has the pocket and the demo neck-and-neck, with deadbolt taking the slight edge. Both are above 300 dpm, and both are significantly higher than the rest of their team.

Now here's this season:

http://play.esea.net/teams/74241?tab=stats&last_type_scope=league&game_id=43&type_scope=league&period%5Btype%5D=seasons&period%5Bseason_start%5D=186&period%5Bseason_type%5D=regular+season&period%5Bmatch_round%5D=&sort_by=ddm&sort_dir=desc

Grape has pulled ahead as the clear damage dealer on their team, nearly hitting 350. ash has also surpassed deadbolt, who sits barely above cyzer at around 250 dpm.

Now, before I draw my conclusions, there are a few devil's advocate arguments here.

1. Not enough time has passed and the sample size is too small. This is sort of unknowable; I believe there is enough data to pass judgment, others may not.

2. You're looking at online play only! Yes, to be fair LAN is a bit of a different beast, with all soldiers receiving a significant buff. However, this does not tend to make demos weaker, only scouts if anyone.

3. Viaduct hasn't happened yet. I'm not sure if I will even receive this criticism, but I feel I must bring it up because it is my only nagging doubt here. I can only say that a) Viaduct won't warp the stats towards demoman THAT much, b) maybe the demo nerf will reduce the number of crazy 500 dpm demo games on the map and make it more of a general dmg boost to every class than a demo stat whore paradise, and c) the maps thus far are more demo-friendly for stats than most other 5cp maps (gullywash being the notable exception) and that fact balances the stats out.

posted about 11 years ago
#78 MLG @ X-GAMES in CS2 General Discussion

I am the god of csgolounge

posted about 11 years ago
#65 MLG @ X-GAMES in CS2 General Discussion

I'm on a hot streak now, all that needs to happen is c9 beating nip and I'm invincible

(rofl)

posted about 11 years ago
#45 MLG @ X-GAMES in CS2 General Discussion
DeetrI don't even use Chrome as a daily driver but I use it just to bet so I can use LoungeDestroyer and not get fucked by full queues. I was able to bet on Fnatic about 20 minutes before the match without issue just because it has a 'PLACE A FUCKING BET' button that near always works

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/loungedestroyer/ghahcnmfjfckcedfajbhekgknjdplfcl?hl=en

I started my loungedestroyer attempts like half an hour or more before clg vs ldlc and it still didnt work rip

posted about 11 years ago
#7 Top 10 TF2 plays - October 2014 in Videos
BonafideIs it me or do these clips get less exciting every month? I mean no disrespect, they're technically very skilled plays, but it just feels like I've nearly seen everything that was on this top 10 except for #1, that doesn't happen that often.

I think that that feeling is enhanced by the fact that a big deal was made of this being the GXL month and then there was literally just 1 clip from GXL in the video

posted about 11 years ago
#35 MLG @ X-GAMES in CS2 General Discussion

http://cevo.com/event/mlg/match/66883/

32-18

113.5 adr

29% accuracy

that's kennys level right there

posted about 11 years ago
#34 MLG @ X-GAMES in CS2 General Discussion

the one game that my bet didnt go through on

thank u csgolounge for fucking me again

posted about 11 years ago
#20 MLG @ X-GAMES in CS2 General Discussion
TurinAlso they announced Katowice as the next major.

rip s1mple

posted about 11 years ago
#157 The Supposed God of Demoman in TF2 General Discussion

who is slowbro

I fear I must have missed that dude

posted about 11 years ago
#13 ESEA IM S18 Power Rankings Week 2 in News
4812622how is small and soft not in here when you say they might win im

its his team and he doesnt wanna look ~biased~

also cafe is significantly better than meat market right now

posted about 11 years ago
#22 flusha #2 on hltv ranking in CS2 General Discussion
TurinPasha had the best performance of a single player in a tournament this year.

at a major*

otherwise there are a few people who surpass him

posted about 11 years ago
#21 flusha #2 on hltv ranking in CS2 General Discussion
FanofAngelsstonedchinamandunno how pasza is a better player than kennyS...Not denying kennys isn't a god, watching at lan was amazing. But it's because when VP wins, it's because pascha is being a monster, any game or tournament they win is probably because pascha is doing well. And they did pretty damn well in 2014.

that's not entirely true, as this list shows snax was statistically the best vp player for most of the 2nd half of the year when pasha dropped off, and it was still good enough to get them top 4 placings

pasha is the most aggro, just-run-around in a scrimmy way player on their team so he's like the icing on the cake, when he's beasting it takes them from like a 3rd-4th finish to a top 2 finish. however snax and byali form the consistent fragging framework of that team, and their chemistry helps them win more t side rounds than the average team, pasha is just a bonus

posted about 11 years ago
#20 flusha #2 on hltv ranking in CS2 General Discussion
TurinKenny had the best rating for the 2nd half of 2014, not the whole year. Remember, this is a whole year's worth of stats, not just recent history. That being said, KennyS should be top 5 because he was individually stand out the whole year.

that's the nutty thing though, kennys had ridiculously high ratings in the first half of the year too, he had by far the highest overall rating of any player (get right was like 11th for 2014 in rating btw)

posted about 11 years ago
#19 flusha #2 on hltv ranking in CS2 General Discussion
Schweppesand that's true, however
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ILBhMeU6PM
KQLY had a 90% headshot rating at 1 lan, those matches he only seemed to be able to die at the hands of sf
both have been vac'd, make whatever you want out of that

yeah but those are clips from galloween, a tiny french lan that no one gives a fuck about whatsoever, and therefore not in public spotlight

posted about 11 years ago
#8 flusha #2 on hltv ranking in CS2 General Discussion

the idea that people can hack on lan is plausible, but there is still ZERO proof that anyone actually HAS hacked on lan

and this ranking is (as it should be) based on lan results only

still think its bs that kennys didnt get higher just because the team around him sucked tho, its top 20 PLAYERS of 2014

posted about 11 years ago
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