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#88 Philosophical Question About Whitelists/Blacklists in TF2 General Discussion

Yes.

posted about 3 years ago
#86 Philosophical Question About Whitelists/Blacklists in TF2 General Discussion

Allowing broken, game-changing weapons into competition is basically forfeiting your fun now to potentially better the game a year or so down the line. It's not surprising that a lot of people aren't on board with that idea. Most people struggle to maintain interest in this game for even a fraction the time b4nny has. For people who don't use this game as their primary method to earn money (almost everyone in the entire game), it's questionable to ask them to basically act as martyrs for the future of the game.

posted about 3 years ago
#16 20b lan team in TF2 General Discussion

20b might not be the only team coming back to play

http://i.imgur.com/2Xh7cMi.png

posted about 3 years ago
#204 The State of TF2, Post-Valve Meetings in TF2 General Discussion

These seem like tricks for people who are familiar with the game. Actually, I don't really know any of these tricks and I'm pretty sure I'm unfamiliar with a lot of the weapons as well. The fact that you don't just spawn into a matchmaking server with every item at your disposal is probably also a roadblock.

posted about 3 years ago
#179 The State of TF2, Post-Valve Meetings in TF2 General Discussion

The actual timeline of matchmaking should have been:

- in beta, open the client to a sizable number of players once the connection issues and logical bugs were all fixed
- start with class limit 1; is it good? What should be changed?
- try class limit 2; is it better? What should be changed?
- come to a consensus, even using something as shallow as reddit
- what items are blatantly overpowered, especially within the scheme of 1 or 2 class limit? fix them
- come to a consensus, even using something as shallow as reddit
- release the client, sans awful queuing/ranking algorithm, continue to fix the small issues

Instead, as toad up there is saying, there isn't any proper ruleset. You can't expect much balance to come out of a ruleset with no limits on any class, especially when all the classes in this game weren't even balanced for a setting with less than 20 players on the server. It just doesn't make any sense. You can't spin incompetence. You can try to use any angle you want, but that is not the proper way to balance a game, unless you're going to use the lack of limit as a starter and work your way down methodically, limiting each class to 3, 2, then 1. That's questionable though, considering it's very obvious that there needs to be some kind of limit in place, and if a limit is too forgiving, there might as well be no limit at all. But, if that's the case, it too should all have been done in beta, with consistency to the updates. You take too long, you lose interest, and messages become twisted over time, which is why you see the entire forum meming about how Valve never play their game and have 0 hours. Basically, you lose faith.

posted about 3 years ago
#168 The State of TF2, Post-Valve Meetings in TF2 General Discussion
MR_SLINCitricProSkeezB4nny had to convince the devs not to BUFF the reserve shooter. What game are they playing where the reserve shooter isn't horribly overpowered?A lot of people have brought this up over the past few months so I want to point out that b4nny clarified on stream that the tf2 team were actually intending to nerf the reserve shooter, but he thought the changes they suggested would be a buff, so he explained why. They then decided not to make those changes.Valve doesn't care about weapon balancing right now. Who cares if a weapon is overpowered in 6v6 if the final competitive format is 7v7? 4v4? 5v5? What if a weapon is overpowered with class limit 2 but not with class limit 3?

LOL valve will make this executive decision with their excellent matchmaking client that has all of these features:

- Games with death merchants playing against players on their first placement game
- A whitelist with every item allowed
- A lack of class limits
- Maps with varying sizes, chokes, and playstyles

You might as well say they shouldn't care about anything in the entire game without actually having a foundation of how many players are allowed on each team, and what each class' limit is. Unfortunately, matchmaking isn't indicative of anything. You cannot use this chaotic sandbox to determine anything. With what basis will Valve say we should play 5s instead of 6s? What is the actual benefit of 7s? Does anyone earnestly believe that a modern eSport will be 7v7? Add an extra player for that extra bit of clutter and inconsistency, while removing the necessity of players to switch classes, because you almost have every class covered when you spawn (given the limit would be 1). In what way does this add any depth?

Everything that's being said is just absurd. These decisions can't be made by Valve on the basis of matchmaking pubs. Countless games with 0 indepedent variables gives you 0 input. Multiply 0 as many times as you'd like and it's still 0.

posted about 3 years ago
#106 The State of TF2, Post-Valve Meetings in TF2 General Discussion
MR_SLINclckwrkYou've already said this in your article, but I will say it again. I IMPLORE any young person in this community with dreams of eSports, who is holding on to TF2 for the wrong reasons, to not pass up great opportunity. Don't get baited like so many already have. If you play TF2 merely for fun, juggling it with your full-time school or career, go nuts. If you're waiting for something substantial, you're probably making a mistake.Completely agree. As you mention, I acknowledge that there's a good reason why people are leaving the scene, and I also acknowledge that my future is not dependent on the success of this game as I have a job in the industry as well. Anyone reading my posts should consider that TF2 has been a "dead game" for a very long time.

Still, it's comforting to know that the developers care as deeply about the competitive game as I do. Times are changing. You may not believe it (and you don't have to believe it), but they care. I can tell you about all the times I've talked to them, in person or otherwise. I can show you patch notes. I can talk to you about how much time they've spent developing the competitive game. All I'm trying to do is comfort the community by telling them about the state of the game, telling them about the various trips that have been made to Valve, and telling them about what I think is the future of the competitive scene. You don't have to believe in it, and you don't have to invest in it. In fact, your belief and your investment aren't really key to the success of the scene anyways lol. Plenty of top players have quit TF2 and the game still moves onward. Valve is going to keep on chugging along, and I'm just trying to open your eyes to the whole situation as best I can.

Look around -- I think the evidence is there; I think there's enough evidence out there that Valve cares about the competitive scene without them having to put up a blog post explicitly saying that they'll create a TI for TF2. If the evidence is not there, I'd encourage you to continue asking questions in this thread and having an open discussion about it. An open discussion is key to the success of the community, even if it's not Valve that is directly driving the conversation.

I think you misunderstand. I realize my personal investment in this game is irrelevant, and it's almost insulting that you're implying that I think I hold any power over this game. I care more about the effect blind faith has on the players, rather than the game.

You have to define what you mean by the word "cares." Is caring creating a ridiculously primitive matchmaking client and endangering its success by barely using the beta for anything substantial? Maybe if your justification is, "they put it in the game, didn't they?" For many, I don't think that definition would suffice. Even your phrasing for this paragraph is ridiculous. Why are you comparing the wishes of players for open communication to an explicit promise for a TI? Are you placing a "TI for TF2" in the realm of possibility? If that's the case, you have a lot of explaining to do. The only thing people really wish for in terms of open communication is acknowledgement of the "work" you say the TF2 community is doing by bashing their heads into a wall a thousand times in their average mm game of the day.

posted about 3 years ago
#102 The State of TF2, Post-Valve Meetings in TF2 General Discussion

I perused your article when you first posted it, and I more-or-less agreed with everything you were saying. It seemed pretty rational, even though most of it was history that the majority already knows. I was even pleased by the actual content. You wrote:

"I’d encourage all of you to think about why you play this game. Hope for the best -- hope that TF2 can grow into an esport, hope that TF2 has a future in this space. At the same time, plan for the worst. It’s quite possible that competitive TF2 will never grow out of this phase of its life and that it will die in its infancy. if you’re still committed to TF2, read on."

It was refreshing to see that blind faith wasn't taking precedence over anything else. However, judging from your responses, it seems to be going in the opposite direction. Even if you aren't explicitly saying that TF2 has a high chance to succeed within eSports, you're potentially giving people misplaced faith by comparing TF2 to other successful video games and regaling the possibilities of TF2 as an eSport, with Valve at the reins, as if this is all a matter of patience rather than pragmatism.

You've already said this in your article, but I will say it again. I IMPLORE any young person in this community with dreams of eSports, who is holding on to TF2 for the wrong reasons, to not pass up great opportunity. Don't get baited like so many already have. If you play TF2 merely for fun, juggling it with your full-time school or career, go nuts. If you're waiting for something substantial, you're probably making a mistake.

posted about 3 years ago
#87 The State of TF2, Post-Valve Meetings in TF2 General Discussion

comparisons made between dota2/csgo and tf2 make me sad. the circumstances were never and will never be similar. the game is 9 years old and its update history isn't conducive to a competitive game. they're incredibly different. both csgo and dota 2 were new sequels to games with larger and more established competitive scenes than tf2.

i would also argue that copying 6s and leaving the game entirely open to interpretation are equally lazy. especially when the latter isn't regularly updated.

posted about 3 years ago
#80 The State of TF2, Post-Valve Meetings in TF2 General Discussion

it's a shame someone hasn't simply time traveled 6 years into the past, bought out valve, and allocated more resources toward tf2 as an esport

one of these days

posted about 3 years ago
#25 The State of TF2, Post-Valve Meetings in TF2 General Discussion
HildrethMR_SLINHildrethpost #15You didn't read my article. I'm not advocating for grassroots growth in my article, I'm advocating for us to help the developers to develop the competitive game since I don't think grassroots growth will work in TF2. We've tried for 9 years and it hasn't worked well.
I have read it, it's the same article that has been written for 9 years and the same discussion.

Look at the numbers, we've had Valve support for Matchmaking for a while and we're still not growing - Could it be related to the fact we have a multitude of different formats and the most popular one is so boring and stale to play the only reason we still play it as a team is because one of our guys wants to play a season where we don't have a roamer and use a multitude of off-classes instead?

Unless you can persuade Mr Gaben to put up a $10,000,000 in prize money we're staying the same mate. I will bet you money in 5 years time the league size is no larger than it was in 2011.

This is essentially what I was trying to put into words. This is an 11 page compilation of 9 years of discussion. The method by which Valve is forcing the community to test its formats is ridiculous. The current matchmaking system is a cesspool of variables and it's logically impossible to make sense of which variables belong in the game. There aren't even class limits. Valve has taken the game all the way back to kindergarten, where we have to actually argue for class limits in a game with 9 different specialized classes and hundreds of weapons. All these variables affect each other; the balance of three scouts per team is exacerbated by allowing all three of them to triple jump, too.

It's all well and good to "take your time" and "figure it out," but creating this system and making no notable changes to it in half a year means that it's destined for failure. Keep in mind, the only change from MM beta to release is they removed the word, "beta." The mindset of testing individual variables (impossible) can only be applied to a BETA format. If the client were open beta, and class limits, weapon stats, and map pools were all changed appropriately throughout the beta's existence, with regular input from the community, it wouldn't be a big deal. But you can't apply all of these changes to an officially released system without the community in uproar. It's entirely backwards to treat the currently released MM client as a beta that the community and developers can use as their own sandbox, when IT USED TO BE IN BETA AND NONE OF THIS HAPPENED.

I'd argue that most of the frustration from the community comes from how poorly the matchmaking system was developed, maintained, and updated. It was the final nail in the coffin for many TF2 loyalists. After years of begging and blind faith, they finally added a system that regressed the competitive format a solid 6 years and have made no steps toward rebuilding. If you think of competitive TF2 as a piece of architecture, class limits are LITERALLY THE FOUNDATION of the building. Nothing makes sense without that backbone. All items, maps, stat changes, EVERYTHING, are at the mercy of how many of each class is allowed on each team.

posted about 3 years ago
#9 blaze CFG in The Dumpster

blaze's cfg is standard except for the tidbit where he caps his frames at his refresh rate so his mouse feels like shit and his screen looks like he has 60hz

posted about 3 years ago
#20 Quick Question in TF2 General Discussion

that is not an applicable statement

needles are unlike every single dm element in this game and I would also be willing to bet money every medic in invite has better needle aim than i do

do not quote me with stupid responses

posted about 3 years ago
#18 Quick Question in TF2 General Discussion

i would be willing to bet money blaze has better needle aim that every medic who currently plays invite

posted about 3 years ago
#103 Valve, TF2 prize money and us in TF2 General Discussion
SpuA comparison between Valve and Blizzard's development teams really shows how fucking awful Valve is at developing a game they want to eventually make "competitive". Valve hasn't put any money into tournaments for the 9 years the game has been out, updates the game once or twice a year, only one for every three updates actually has in-game impact - the rest are just money farming updates. Meanwhile, Blizzard is developing the game as a competitive game by giving it constant attention - updates every month or two, no micro transactions between players, no in game economy, PTR to test future updates, constant communication between devs and the community.

tl;dr valve needs to rent out the overwatch developers for a few months

I don't think the two companies can be compared this way. Blizzard made a brand new game that was going to get massive viewership regardless of the attention they gave it at the start. Even No Man's Sky got a lot of viewership the first week or so. Blizzard is just riding the wave they knew they'd make with a brand new, genre-breaking FPS game. Valve don't "want" anything for TF2. They don't want to "eventually make [it] competitive," in the sense that they're going to put effort in to push people to play it. Until the game can self-sustain and perform on its own, Valve will not put any money into the game, and will simply continue "balancing" items that shouldn't have been in the game from the start every few months. They want money, and currently, investing any money into the game at its current viewership level is an investment they won't make. I'm almost positive Valve is under the impression that "if something happens, we'll support it, otherwise we don't really care," aside from balancing the game every now and then as per what their job title entails.

Everyone can ride the "fuck Valve" wave, but at a certain point you have to admit that the cards we've been dealt are very unfavorable to competitive. If you wanted to blame Valve, you'd have to go years back to when a real impact could have been made, when the eSports forecast changed completely. At this point, what can they really do? Look at the game, dude. Look at the items and maps that are completely irrelevant to any semblance of competitiveness. The only thing they could have done differently was to force a certain play-style and ruleset onto pubbers and hope they comply and enjoy the game. Choosing organic growth instead, there's really not much you can hope to see in the immediate future for this game.

posted about 3 years ago
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