But se7en didn't harass a sexual abuse victim for speaking about her abusers. That is what the current bans on Degu and Pred are about. You seem to think ETF2L banned them for something that happened during matches but the Official Statement clearly says this is unrelated to matches.

There has been no punishment for any racism/harassment during matches so far. I'm glad we can agree about this subject. They should be treated like any other team. And I hope the admins will look into it soon. I hope they will be held responsible for Credu's weapon names and any racist/offensive remarks that happened. I advise you to gather evidence if there is any more to gather and hand it over to admins. i know se7en also gathered evidence they have against other teams.

You are correct. Punishment should be equal. Had they harassed uberchain they also should've been banned like Degu and Pred were. But they didn't harass her. I wish you the best of luck making your case for their behavior against you/your friends/your teammates. Se7en aren't saints. We all know that. If they do something wrong they should be held accountable.

You're forgetting about Degu also being on the Bin Black. he was tagged up as Bin.ngr during a casted official this season. losing the winnings is justified regardless of Pred's position within the team. They're lucky they still get half.

I agree about Credu. Kaidus actually pointed it out during thaigr's stream yesterday after reading the comment on the thread. Comms just kinda fell quiet because they didn't know what to say about it. Don't think they knew about it (most people have item details turned off so not an unrealistic assumption. I have no clue what any renames are of my team's items except my medic's medigun. For all I know they have racist names as well). I'll leave it to the ETF2L admins to make a decision about that. Them not knowing about the names isn't an excuse. They should take responsibility for it

because pressing the mute button unharasses you instantly. It reverses time! it also magically turns the racists/homophobes/transphobes into normal people and a unicorn will make you a healthy fruit smoothie. You are smart! The existence of the mute button takes away the need for consequences for one's actions!

Nice

Also to people thinking ETF2L shouldn't just ban whoever is racist/transphobic/homophobic. OZF bans players for such offenses. Has been mentioned multiple times in this thread. They're a smaller scene and they don't have an issue with it. ETF2L is a private org. They have every right to exclude people from their service based on their behavior. It will only improve the community.

I know multiple people who have uninstalled TF2 after the recent attacks on Nursey and Uberchain. They weren't competitive players but that's the point. This isn't something that won't reach further than the comp scene. It's already reaching out to its spectators and the casuals. It's already reaching outside of TF2 to other communities and social media. People are watching. Many now believe this community is no longer worth sticking around for. It hurts to hear "the entire TF2 community is trash" but I've heard it multiple times over the past couple of days and I don't blame them for thinking so. This has been allowed for too long. The decisions of the community within the next weeks will change the view of the entire playerbase and beyond towards us. So let's make sure we change it for the better.

This isn't just about Degu and Pred. Once the community has dealt with them there is still Uberchain's list that started all this. And the transphobia/homophobia/racism still within our community. This is the tip of the iceberg.
Mental and sexual abuse within our community shouldn't be taken lightly. She's not the only victim and their abusers are still out there. I hope they see what is happening to Pred and Degu right now. Because they're being treated nicely compared to what the community should do to the abusers if their names are ever revealed.

So let's talk ETF2L. They tried to sweep the racism of some players under the rug because they didn't want to lose half the prem teams in playoffs apparently. It was lost in the shitstorm that is this thread but it's definitely something that needs to be talked about

With other platforms making statements I'm expecting ETF2L to do the same. So let's discuss change. I do not expect bans to be given out to Pred and Degu, but I would like to see clear rules because they're clearly not being enforced properly atm.

Let's not forget le epic joke of Degu being tagged as bin.ngr on Bin Black during a casted match this season.
Pred's always been known to be a racist. Don't think I've ever seen him say something that isn't racist/homophobic in twitch chat and he's known for shouting the n-word during pugs all the time. I doubt anyone (aside from his few remaining friends that think what he's doing is funny) will care if he's never allowed to play on pugchamp or officials

Also Degu is currently a TF2PL admin though I know people have been contacted about that so i don't expect that to last.

edit: https://twitter.com/phorofor_/status/1026930269268389890
if this is misinformation then I apologise. I did not mean to spread lies

arekk called nursey a slur. He apologised but then phorophor PMd her more slurs

alias fix "record demo;stop"
bind [key] fix

These are the only 2 you'll need for models. It is possible snd_restart and hud_reloadscheme already put too much strain on your PC causing the demo recording to get messed up. I've always had this on a seperate bind like posted above and never had issues with it. If this doesn't work then something different is wrong and you might have to go verify game files, reset to default settings, reinstall, etc

Ah yes, the intellectual returns with another flawless hot take.

Because if you're an asshole nobody likes you. example: you.
Nobody said you have to be nice unconditionally. Do I try to be a nice person? Yes. Am I being nice to you right now? No. Why? because you deserve it because you're an asshole. Very hard concept.

Uberchain isn't part of the competitive side so I have no clue why you'd think this applies to her. She knows many competitive players, has attended events and made SFM arts to promote events. But this is no reason for any "animosity" to be aimed at her. And she got harassed for posting about how she was sexually abused so it wouldn't apply even if she played comp TF2.

If cs:go players say the n-word in a match they'll get banned. There's limits. And it's time we set those limits in TF2. Also if you think there's no shittalk during games then you've never watched competitive TF2

You are very disconnected from reality and are just typing the first thing that comes up in your mind hoping it applies to the situation (2 nerd essays in and nothing has so far. Keep trying buddy. You'll get there eventually)

Nobody ever said this is about becoming an esport. This isn't about TF2. This is about not being okay with harassing sexual abuse victims. If harassing sexual abuse victims is a normal thing in esports then let's not become an esport. You missed the entire point of this thread. epic

Warnings at the very least. Bans more than welcome imo but we'll leave that to the admins to decide.

Sure dude everyone gets sexually abused all the time and then harassed for it that's completely normal haha. You've not been following what's been happening clearly so I'll just forget I ever read this.

I hope so.

I needed this. thank you

https://clips.twitch.tv/HeadstrongDependableCroquettePJSalt

Sad/good thing is I wouldn't be surprised if open teams start signing up now for them

http://www.teamfortress.tv/48842/sawcon

faceit didn't kill tf2center
rgl won't kill ugc
(many more relevant examples out there)

TF2 players don't like change. Only the top plat teams have a reason to switch for the prizepool. Only thing this can kill is RGL Prolander if the Highlander mains that went from Highlander to Prolander initially don't want to play vs froyo (if they're the top prolander team atm. correct me if I'm wrong. I don't follow 7v7)