Which is exactly why our league admins needs to set the standard.

When league admins see a cheater in another game who also plays in their league, it should be an instant ban in our TF2 leagues. All cheaters, regardless of game, should be black listed in every game. I said it one and I will say it again. When you cheat, you are making a conscious decision to install and use a cheat program. There is no other interpretation of that action.

I am/was a huge fan of Mirelin as a player but don't feed us a load of horseshit about "saving face". You got caught and there is no such thing as saving face because you cheated in another game.

Since he has no interest in competitive TF2 anymore, I think the ETF2L admins should make an example of him and just issue a lifetime ban. Maybe it will discourage others from installing cheats in any game they play.

I am summoned

Are you fucking dense? It is 100% a racial slur. You use the Italian flag and seem to not know anything even after you probably googled it. Melanzane is italian for eggplant---eggplants are black.

It is the same as saying "moolie" or "mooley", I am not sure of the exact spelling.

I do not disagree with your point of view but Pushing and Positioning do exist on Viaduct and are extremely important skills to have because they are used so much different than in 5CP maps. Most players that say "viaduct is DM only" are the players who don't even try to understand the difference in positions/play styles for KOTH. I feel you are punished much more on Viaduct for mistakes during pushes/team fights as opposed to 5CP maps.

Its obviously not the map you want to scrim very often because 5CP maps are 7/8 maps we play every season.
However, I have seen many teams come together and improve their cohesion by playing viaduct and then translate that to better 5CP team play.

Granary wouldn't get shit if there was a 3rd entrance from Mid to Courtyard or if the 2 current entrances were not so close together.

2 Entrances from Mid to 2nd work for maps like gully and snake because they are spaced so far apart.

Being a Soldier, I love Granary week every season because fuck you scout mains.

+1

I was thinking more along the lines of having him conjure up some sticks on the point because the rest of us are dead and waiting for the respawn necromancer to bring us back to life. See, its perfectly applicable to TF2

Wrong smitty and we will discuss this further during scrims tonight!

Necromancy is spells manipulating, creating, or destroying life or life force
Conjuration is spells that bring creatures or materials to the caster

Any half-wit spell user can conjure random shit but only those of us looking for real power have the balls to challenge and command the undead!

No need to worry guys, ESEA has taken care of this and scheduled de_inferno for every team's Week 8 map, just check your schedule!

MustardWhiteRaceOverlordCadet`HX

Space vs Delpo

Here's your Golden Frying Pan, roll out through my kitchen.

To clarify for you, he and others, posted and bitched about sandbaggers. I could understand and have sympathy for them if open was full of multiple sandbagging teams and players from week to week and season to season.

As I have shown for the past 7 seasons, that is simply not the case. Sandbaggers make up a crazy small % of teams in open so I see very little to complain about. At the very worst they have 1 match out of 16 a season against such "idiots". (maybe 2 if they make playoffs, which looks like a fucking long shot)

Lastly, nobody forced them to sit in that server and play 30-40 minutes of idiotic TF2. Every single player on his team could have hit "ESC -- Disconnect" and be done with it.

I believe you are looking at the wrong roster. The roster that finished the playoffs for season 21 had Desca, Zilly and Purpleshirt playing in the playoffs. All of those guys had significant enough experience in Invite and IM to be considered sandbagging. In addition, Yeremy played 11 matches that season and he had more than enough experience as well.

So much crap is in this thread, I thought to drop some facts because I really have no idea what the open division players are complaining about at this point. I went back and looked at team rosters and player history tabs for the top open teams from Season 18 to 24. I even went as far as to lower the criteria I used for labeling a team as "sandbaggers". Instead of a season of invite experience, I also included players having several seasons of IM and IM playoffs as a requirement.

From season 18 to 24 there have been 347 Open Teams and only 10 Sandbagging teams that fit my criteria.
That is 3% of all the open teams that signed up the last 7 seasons

Even if I missed a few teams or add in the teams that barely miss the cut-off, the number can be no higher than 20 teams total since Season 18.
Even that would barely be 6% in 7 seasons

Season 24 -- 2 SB teams out of 36

1- dumb classico
2- High Altitude Dreamworld -- IMO this team can barely even be considered as sandbagging at all. Mostly everyone is not an active player and hasn't been for a few seasons but if you consider that lucrative has probably played more matches than your whole team combined, who knows. =)

Season 23 -- 1 SB team out of 38

1- el classico

Do you consider 3 IM players sandbagging? If you do then my team was the 2nd highest with experience in open.
goldfish team? he was the only player who had invite experience on the entire roster, far from sandbagging.

Season 22 -- 2 SB teams out of 48

1- malicious activity
2- Team Skull -- I hesitate to even call this team sandbaggers. Only cookiejake and demoted had significant experience under their belt by season 22 but I suppose you can make a case for it if u really try.

Season 21 -- 2 SB teams out of 58

1- strolling astronomers
2- Legalize Ranch

Season 20 -- 1 SB team out of 51

1- The Original Bugs

No other team is even close to sandbagging for Season 20 and The Original Bugs BARELY fit into my criteria for sandbagging. I feel so bad for the other 50 teams who had to endure this season.

Season 19 -- 2 SB teams out of 58

1- 6cuties
2- Clam Bake

You could almost make a case for aDRAGONWRRIOR12 's roster with ranga and mgib but its a weak sandbagging case if you ask me.

Season 18 -- 0 SB teams out of 58

The only 2 teams that you could possibly make a sandbagging clam to are Royal E-Sports TF2 with dflame/blueberryvillian and egyptian flamingos with kraka/randy.
Even these 2 examples are weak at best.