Rumour has it that the requirements to play roamer or pocket at a very high level are somewhat similar.
In fact they are identical:
1. Hit rockets.
2. Have brain.
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1. Keening up before i61.
2. No one quits TF2.
This explains why Buttnose was asking "the ESA Rewind guy" in twitch chat about help with a very particular problem. I wondered how the former learned of the latter's expertise, it didn't seem likely to come up, but there appears to have been a gathering of experts on this sort of subject at ESA Rewind LAN..
Muuki and Melle already reached prem, we're way past that.
Ah well, let's go over this again.
SpaceCadetMy current rig doesn't play Quake Champions at a high enough level for me. It is very playable but not at high quality, so that made me want to upgrade, not just for Quake Champions, but for down the line several years.
So you want a faster pc. But you won't tell us your current pc's specs.
SpaceCadetBudget is high, I am aiming for high end stuff.
Budget unknown, but "high".
SpaceCadetI understand that I listed 4 differently named processors. I was more asking what is the real difference between them and wondering if it would even be necessary to get the biggest and best.
Apart from some minor mistake where you named chipsets instead of CPUs we have a problem here.
Yes, you won't need the biggest and best probably, but how much performance do you need? You won't tell us.
You won't even tell us your current CPU so we could at least rule out anything slower than that.
Now I could tell you almost everything about the two CPU architectures and list the differences. But you won't understand a single thing.
I could skip that and go straight to which performs better on what applications. In fact let's do that.
So AMD's Zen performs better on INT heavy workloads, mixes of INT and FP, 128b vectors and highly threaded applications due to better SMT scaling. Intel's Skylake performs better on 256b vectors, latency bound (both memory and instructions) workloads or ones with high cache bandwidth requirements.
Is that useful to you?
And we're back to
SetsulJust look at benchmarks, you only need to know what's faster for what you're going to use it for.
I'd even look at benchmarks for you, but you haven't told me how much performance you want and what games you'll run.
Apart from Quake Champions.
Which is still in beta.
For all we know beta performance and release performance might be as closely related as Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden.
SpaceCadetI said high end computer and high budget. I wouldn't drop 5k on it but I could if I felt like it.
So won't spend 5k but you could. Ah yes, that narrows down the budget significantly.
SpaceCadetThe whole reason for my thread was because on ibuypower, I can choose and afford any of the options they offer.
Naturally I don't want to overspend on things that may be overpriced or not really needed.
Now it's great that you don't want to overspend. But you're still keeping what you need a secret so we can't tell what would be overspending.
SpaceCadetnopeThe point is that the topic is complex and it's a waste of people's time to give you the entire history of modern computing when if you just say what you want setsul can give you a full explanation of all relevant information and example build if needed.
For example, saying "I want to play high end games" doesn't help. Say what sort of games, what framerates and what graphical settings you'll be targeting.
I did say what game and I said future games as well.
Ah yes, you're only going to play one game.
And future games.
Well I can't blame you for not knowing which games will be released in a few years, so maybe just focus on the present?
SpaceCadetMy post (#6) was as simple as I could possibly put my questions.
Maybe when everyone is asking for more information, phrasing your questions as simple as possible isn't all that helpful.
SpaceCadetThe tone of the answers seem like angry Geek Squad employees from Best Buy annoyed at people who don't know all the technical details of computers.
Its hard for me to give the exact details you are talking about because I am frankly not sure what they are, so like I said in post #12, its obviously my fault and he can't help with that vague information.
I get it, this is not the place to ask these questions. SORRY. The thread can just die, I'll figure it out.
When everyone from Best Buy employees to all posters on a forum have reacted the same way then don't you think that maybe, just maybe, it could be worth considering that there's the tiniest sliver of a chance that you might be the one in the wrong here? Just speculating of course. But once you rule out the impossible...
I wish you the best of luck on your neverending search for someone who can answer all your questions without having to ask any of their own by virtue of possessing a crystall ball.
SpaceCadetThis is literally all you or anyone else had to fucking say. Instead of just answering a simple question with a simple answer, from someone who is obviously uninformed, it turned into a nit-picking session even after I admitted that I was wrong/vague.
I was vague and not helpful. I said it twice. I apologized and said I was wrong for even asking with little info.
Maybe the answer isn't simple?
Maybe this could be solved by providing the needed information or if you do not have it yet, asking how to acquire it.
Of course throwing a hissy fit might work better. I'm really not sure since I don't really have experience with these sorts of things.
EDIT:
#18
"Late June" sadly isn't "a little under a month".
Also that's just one card. The rest comes even later apparently.
"Intel cards"?
The Problem is unlike Bulldozer Zen is actually close, so depending on the price single threaded performance is actually better.
E.g. i5-7400 vs 1500X or i7-6800K vs 1700X/1800X.
#19
Passmark is bullshit.
Because getting the damping right with low impedance is really difficult?
Dynamic drivers mean there has to be a coil. There has to be inductance. Otherwise it won't work.
If you reduce the resistive part of the impedance (thicker coil = larger, higher weight, have fun with the problems that causes) then all the means is that the reactive part dominates. That always leads to very enjoyable math to figure out how to cancel out that behaviour.
Also output impedance is still a thing (tubes oh god why) and some amps suck at delivering current but provide voltage for days.
I guess we're done here then.
If 50% extra is a good deal for you then I'm not the right guy to talk to. I think if you can get the same for less, including assembly then you should go with that imho. See #10.
You won't tell me your budget.
You won't tell me how much performance you want, apart from it being better than your current rig, which again, you won't tell me what that is.
There's nothing I can do.
Ah yes, ibuypower.
Quick example.
Bullshit parts, but here's the same or comparable parts:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3BMczM
~1000$
IBP wants
https://www.ibuypower.com/Store/Gamer-Special-Z270
1500$
Sounds like a good deal?
Not to mention the fact that with non bs parts you can get the same or better performance for 800$.
"Budget is high". How much exactly is high?
For some high means 800$, for some it means 5000$.
Z270 and X99 are chipsets.
No offense but you probably won't understand the difference between Intel Core i5/i7 and Ryzen 5/7 if I told you. Just look at benchmarks, you only need to know what's faster for what you're going to use it for.
Nah, Valve employees are incredibly competent, the problem is their project management.
It legitimately doesn't exist.
The whole approach is "this needs to be done, let's make sure everyone knows that and hope someone does it". Of course that means that timetables or coordination aren't really a thing either.
http://www.teamfortress.tv/12714/pc-build-thread
SpaceCadetSo I will likely be doing a major upgrade to my PC in the near future. Aiming for fairly high end stuff and was curious about which processor to choose.
I want to be able to play the new games that come out for years to come and was unsure which way to go, AMD or Intel.
Depends on the game and actual budget.
SpaceCadetHow can one tell the difference between:
Z270 and x99 for Intel Core i7.
Ryzen 5x or 7x for AMD.
One is Z270 and is X99.
They were named so it would be easier to tell them apart.
Same for Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7.
SpaceCadetA few additional questions:
--- Recommendations on a good high quality motherboard?
You should probably figure out which CPU you'll get first. It's kind of important that CPU and mobo use the same socket.
SpaceCadet--- I see options for "Sound Dampening Foam" and "Sound Reduction System"
They say it is for Noise Reduction. Are these even worth the extra cost? or are they BS?
Sound dampening is indeed for noise reduction. Do you want to reduce the noise?
SpaceCadet---- Why are AMD video cards cheaper than GeForce?
This is way too complicated to explain.
Wait one month, then you'll see.
SpaceCadetEven if I choose the most expensive AMD card, the GeForce cards seem to outclass them.
GeForce prices can go really high so I assume much better quality. Am I wrong?
Yes, you are wrong.
It's not about quality, it's about performance.
E.g. the RX 580 and GTX 1060 6GB are similarly priced and perform similarly.
As for why AMD doesn't offer any GPUs >250$ right now see above.
SpaceCadet--- What would be the gain for upgrading the Internal Ethernet Network Card from standard to:
Intel Pro 10/100/1000
None.
#2
ComangliaIn general Nvidia charges more for their stuff, and have certain quality requirements and testing that end up making there cards cost more.
Uhm, no.
Comanglia In general Nvidia cards are more consistent between manufacturers, AMD cards not so much.
More consistent in what?
-1 new posts?
Who got nuked?
SetsulPCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($57.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws 4 series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($59.92 @ Amazon)
Storage: SK hynix - SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($88.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 570 4GB ARMOR OC Video Card ($174.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design - Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $558.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-15 05:20 EDT-0400
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Starry_Nebulaei might keep this for a future build of my own
Please don't reuse an old partlist for a build.
Don't.
#14
Yes, it certainly is possible.
Just keep in mind many will just use the first partlist they see without questioning any of the choices.
#15
Now if only he were in Europe so European prices would be relevant. Alas, they aren't.
And the cheapest I can find without trying is 110€.
It's still a used GPU.
Even if we're comparing used GPUs newer (not 5 years old) and faster ones can be had for that price.
Yeah no.
Even before nVidia doing at best nothing for old GPUs and at worst crippling them via drivers the benchmarks don't really agree with you.
At 1080p
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_760/27.html
https://www.computerbase.de/2013-06/nvidia-geforce-gtx-760-test/4/#abschnitt_leistung_mit_aaaf
760 ~ 93-96% of 670. Same card after all.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_950_SSC/30.html
https://www.computerbase.de/2015-08/nvidia-geforce-gtx-950-test/3/#abschnitt_tests_in_1920__1080
950 ~ 90-95% of 760.
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1050_Ti_Gaming_X/27.html
https://www.computerbase.de/2016-10/geforce-gtx-1050-ti-test/3/#abschnitt_benchmarks_in_1920__1080
1050 ~ 114% of 950.
So all stock clocks (and the 1050 does OC better) it should be
1050 ~ 95-104% of 670.
I wouldn't call the 670 faster.
And a new 1050 can be had for 85$
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gXnG3C/msi-geforce-gtx-1050-2gb-video-card-gtx-1050-2g-oc
#2
What the fuck is that abomination?
#8
Correct.
Fuck the WD Blue though. More expensive and slower than what Seagate and Toshiba offer.
Also fuck this whole mini ITX single channel RAM bullshit.
Improved build with optional SSD because SSD and RX 570 because fuck the 1050 Ti and here's why:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/RX_570_Pulse/30.html
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel - Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($57.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($69.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws 4 series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($59.92 @ Amazon)
Storage: SK hynix - SL308 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($88.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 570 4GB ARMOR OC Video Card ($174.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design - Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA - 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $558.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-05-15 05:20 EDT-0400