I feel stating that racism is inherently bad or immoral doesn't actually work towards changing people's views. Moral indignation or shaming from random people on the internet doesn't seem to change people's behavior, and a lot of the time it seems to make them more entrenched in their beliefs. My hope is that if people see not being racist is in there self interest hopefully at some point they will have realize the moral issues with racism, but I can see how purely talking about what is in peoples personal interest may make it seem I've missed these moral issues.

When 20b, mixup, froyo, and ascent(or whatever they went bye) were playing and we still had esea lans tf2 had a high enough viewership to justify sponsorship, I'm necessarily talking salaries of a significant number for players, but at least people would've been able to get travel expenses and eyes on the game could increase. Well people shouted nigger in front of them.

The point is that there are so few people to welcome into the TF2 community and so few people considering sponsoring teams/leagues so it's even more important that you don't turn them away. Also I'm not trying to say TF2 would be a large esport all I'm saying is TF2 should be in a better place than it is, the community has had opportunities from growth and they've largely been squandered.

You also brought up the fact they're a bunch of other options people can choose from if they want to play an esport, all with bigger communities and opportunities to make money. This is exactly my point why would you stay around playing TF2 when the communities toxic and the top players continually engage in behavior that turns sponsors away?

The reason why there's so few sponsors in tf2 and why the games dying continues to be a mystery...

proto have you been going down some conspiracy theory rabbit-holes my man?

idk if you've ever gotten payed to do anything in your life before, but I'll let you know from experience that your boss typically doesn't like when you say racial slurs or harassing people. The same is true for sponsors except even more so because a lot of the time what they're paying you for is mainly your brand/image.

One of the main reasons I hear from people who've stopped playing a competitive game is because of toxicity and the fact that there is the existence of this community is evidence that the game being shit hasn't turned everyone away.

It's not about having a safe space it's about the league needing to get sponsors, you can't really let your top players harass people and say racial slurs when you're trying to make money.

Every game would ban a person for what bowl did idk why you're saying it's because of sensitivity.

I'm looking at https://i.imgur.com/FiUrqxJ.png and this doesn't like a ban for association, but you can use whatever justification you want to defend a shithead I guess.

And not banning people for bad behavior because the communities too small is really stupid. Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe the reason a lot of people are turned away from tf2 is because of how toxic the community is? Do you think people just getting into tf2 see some of the top players abhorrent behavior and don't get turned away? And the people who don't get turned away are more likely to be toxic, have you heard of the phrase "birds of a feather flock together"? This makes the community even more toxic which drives away sponsors, new players and it probably makes valve less likely to offer developer support (though the chances of getting developer support are so low idk if this is even a factor).

The TF2 community has accepted people who are well known "ex-cheaters" for years now, what did you expect?

Ya, but saying a 1v1 where you have a medic and they don't is the same as another 1v1 is just stupid, and the hope is that the health advantage should reduce the possibility of your scout losing the fight to a acceptable level.

Does the medic not count as a person? When did regenerating health and having a higher health pool stop being enough of an advantage to win a fight?

I'm not going to lan, but I have been considering becoming a jigglo for quite some time HMU fellow albertans

scripted tibby (the scout) clearly looked at the pipe and then proceeded to strafe into it

True tbh

but I think it depends on the health of the scout fighting, but if he's hurt I think he should back off and you crit heal the other scout and let him take the front lines

the only reason we think you hate the community is becuase you keep telling us you do

I've never understood what was it that ruwin said that ruined everything, I just know he got cut and it all went downhill after that.