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#33 Give me casting feedback in TF2 General Discussion
PyromancerTl;DR Please just put more emotion into the huge stuff and the cast and make us the viewers want to be excited as fuck with you to be there.

*nods* Thank you. Kaidus raised that one and I addressed it in post 31. It's definitely big.

posted about 10 years ago
#30 Give me casting feedback in TF2 General Discussion
kaidusI enjoy your casts but something I remember noticing is that the tempo/excitement during last pushes or crucial moments of the game is often off. For example, the team pushing last looking for their fifth cap (NA rules) is an absolutely pivotal moment, the outcome determines if the game is over or continues, but I often see it casted like any other fight in terms of the pace and energy levels. You may say that its game deciding, but the overall tone during the fight doesn't reflect it, and then when the game ends there has been absolutely no build up to this moment (or if the point is defended, there has been no deeper context created that makes it a significant defense). I'm not saying it's always the case but it's definitely something I've noticed, particularly in games that aren't incredibly close. I don't expect you to go bat shit wild when a team defends last with the score 4-1, but I feel like the "story" of matches is often lost and it ends up being a random sequence of events.

I think I've made it sound worse than it actually is though, but I'm trying to be detailed.

Thank you. This is definitely a big thing that I've got sidetracked on while trying to improve other things. I think this is my #1 currently. Just watched half of the VOD's from S15 LAN and those kicked me into gear on the energy thing. Danford and cbear rule.

posted about 10 years ago
#29 Give me casting feedback in TF2 General Discussion
THEBILLDOZERhey getawhale. i noticed that you saw my reddit post criticizing your casting. but when you quoted it here, you kinda left out the almost constructive part of it. lets take another look:
http://i.imgur.com/3bumFdR.png
now, i think youve got the skills to be a good caster. you have a good voice and personality. but the thing thats bothering me, is that it feels like youre learning the game by casting it. in official casts. which to a lot of players, looks like youre underexperienced. tf2 is a game with a lot going on, and a lot of people making a lot of decisions. so when we have someone that seems a little unsure of why something is happening, or why. and thats the problem. i really only ever see you casting. youre not playing on a team, in esea or ugc, and that tells me that youre not willing to better yourself as a player. the best casters that weve ever had played at the top. even gecks was on an open team this season. so if youre coming here looking for advice, just look at it like any ugc player that comes here wanting sniper or pyro help. just play the game more. youll understand things better when youve done them for the same reason the players are doing them, not just when you birds eye view it in an stv.

EDIT: Guess i got ninjad, but w/e

Hey Bill, sorry if you felt like I was singling you out - while the Reddit thread was the catalyst for this, I was citing general examples and not yours specifically.

That said, I hope you can consider the points I made above. At 29 years old, it makes zero sense for me to get into competitive; I just don't have the time for it. I know that may sound like I'm not willing to better myself or whatever, but try to understand it from my perspective. I work 5 days a week to earn a living, and most nights that I cast I'm dashing home a little early to be able to be there on time. This is a side thing I do, but the time just isn't there for me to both play and cast.

I've had good times with playing TF2 - beginning in 2007, and right up to when Highlander/6v6 became the decided upon formats around 2010 or so. I used to play every night, it ruled. I took a break for a couple years, and came back around late 2012, when I started looking at organized competitive. I played in the Lost Continents community, and got to play pickups/etc with lots of great players there - including another guy that came from there, djc. Admittedly, I don't take part in pugs or competitive anymore. I'm not saying I'm new, and I'm certainly not exalting myself as being old school; I missed some golden years of competitive. But I've been around the game.

I obviously know that not playing means I will never understand the game to the same extent as any high level competitive player, but I'm okay with this. As dashner alluded to, I am not there to be the encyclopedia of knowledge. While this may come with years of casting, as it does for real sport announcers, I am more present for my ability to move a cast along, to encourage good interaction between casters, and to try to do those other "broadcasty" things. I try to learn from every cast that I do, and make an effort to keep building the experience like a big.. dusty stack of experience.

Anyway I'm rambling but thanks for joining the discussion

posted about 10 years ago
#25 Give me casting feedback in TF2 General Discussion
mustardoverlordtrim ur hair you damn hippy

Already done

BUICKTL;DR you're doing great, and since I just sucked your dick the least you can do is cum on my face. God bless.

Love you more than girl gamerz

poopsharkif you want to appeal to the group of competitive players who watch matches semicritically then the only solution i can possibly think of for you is to actually start playing the game a lot, instead of just exclusively casting

I started to wade into competitive play when I came back to the game in 2013 after a year or two away, but honestly playing got in the way of casting opportunities. It's the same reason gecks hasn't been around for some casts this season; he plays in ESEA.

Your point is very fair; I'd love to learn by DOING, that would be great. But I don't think it's logical at this point.

This is one area where I use the comparison to real sports. If I go on to do hockey announcing or basketball like I used to do, would I need to enroll in a league and play in order to understand the game? Not necessarily. Sure, it helps - it's the ABSOLUTE BEST way, and quickest way, and most complete way to understand the game. But you can also get to a very high level by watching and studying the game - it's not quite the same, and it's a constant learning thing, but it works. (I do understand that real sports are not the same as eSports but I feel like the time commitment and many other things are similar.)

mustardoverlordif people are criticizing you for not doing analysis, or for asking seemingly dumb/obvious questions of marxist or whoever just to setup their analysis, then they don't understand how casting is actually supposed to work

Thank you for this. I get irked when people criticize the questions I ask of my caster; although sometimes I may be off-track, asking the questions is a mechanism to get analysis out in a natural and relevant way. It's not because I am literally asking Marxist to explain something to me personally.

AllealUnlike bigger esports, when you're casting TF2 your audience is gonna consist of a lot of experienced players/spectators who've watched and played a lot of the game.

This is a great and very valid point that I have been adjusting for 6-8 months. Initially, especially since I was doing Highlander, and that audience is very different, I was into the whole "keep it basic, cater to as many people as possible, explain for the audience of people who are new to the game" thing. I had to take a total 180 out of that, so yes that's a great point thank you.

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Thanks to anyone contributing thus far. Remember if you don't want it public, just PM me or add me on Steam; I've already gotten one PM and appreciate it. If you want to agree/disagree with any of this, or just whatever.

posted about 10 years ago
#12 Give me casting feedback in TF2 General Discussion
JackyLegsi wish there was someway to watch the same thing as the cameraman is watching

Me too - a year ago the Twitch delay wasn't as bad and it was easy to follow along with the cast on another screen. Good for calling out things the camera man is seeing, good for "as you can see", etc.

Thanks for the other points!

posted about 10 years ago
#11 Give me casting feedback in TF2 General Discussion
tetrominoI know the esea alias thing is tricky but I really like it when the casters know the players' names and how to pronounce them.

Again, is this a specific thing you saw from me?

For Invite, we have a great plugin that turns, for example, "23_skidoo" into dbw, etc. for all teams. Certainly for all our Invite matches we always know who's who.

posted about 10 years ago
#5 Give me casting feedback in TF2 General Discussion
botmodehumility goes a long way

During a cast? In general? Could you be more specific?

posted about 10 years ago
#1 Give me casting feedback in TF2 General Discussion

Hey! I continue to get criticism on my casting, which is great in theory, but very little of it is constructive or specific. So I'd like to put out a call for people to give specific criticisms to the way I cast TF2.

I put a lot of effort into casting, and lots of work. I have taken my habit of doing prep for announcing into TF2 casting, and always like to give team histories, stats, or anything related to standings etc. during casts. I never just sit down and start talking - on a night that I cast, I'm typically running through parts in my head hours before, on my drive home, whatever. It's just like playing - at least some level of preparation is needed no matter how many times you do it, or else your performance may suffer.

I certainly know I'm not perfect, and am always looking to improve. But criticisms like "you say dumb shit" are vague, and something like "you just read the kill feed" is, frankly, criticizing something I don't really do much at all, certainly a ton less now than I ever have. Again, I'm far from perfect, but I have focused on that particular point a lot.

I'm asking if anybody would like to look at some recent casts (TFTV YouTube is the best place to find them, as I've done a ton of ESEA this season) and give me some real feedback. Either in this thread, or by Private Message here on TFTV (preferred, because this avoids this thread turning into a shitfest etc.) In October, I actually reached out to several users and got some really great points and feedback, and it helped a ton. I am always open to this.

All I ask is you are specific with your feedback and criticisms. One user even gave timestamps in YouTube videos of casts - that helped ENORMOUSLY.

Broadcasting, especially for sports, is my education, my job, likely my career going forward. I appreciate YOUR help in aiding me with this hobby of mine which is TF2 casting.

Thanks a million. You can also add me on Steam if you'd like.

posted about 10 years ago
#21 Worst setup you've ever had in Off Topic

when i bought The Orange Box in December 2007, i bought a shitty 20 dollar Logitech headset that day at Sears

it's so old that it doesn't even exist on the internet anymore, but it was kind of like this only shittier.. only one earphone, not USB, shitty cheap black foam that eventually wore completely off

http://cf4.souqcdn.com/item/88/91/8/item_L_88918_516102.jpg

anyway i used this headset for the better part of 6 years until it basically fell apart. i sort of miss it for its shittiness

posted about 10 years ago
#63 favorite snack? in Off Topic
MasterKunihttp://recipegreat.com/images/sugar-snap-peas-03.jpg

The perfect gamer fuel (no crumbs)

Tried these? They fuckin rule

http://harvestsnaps.com/img/products/sc-blackpepper.png

posted about 10 years ago
#761 stream highlights in Videos

i inhaled some helium with marxist

http://www.twitch.tv/getawhale/c/6216093

posted about 10 years ago
#42 Newbie Mixes in Events

john_johnson come along to Newbie Mixes tonight - same goes for anyone else wanting to see what competitive play is all about!

Hope to see y'all there

posted about 10 years ago
#8 ESEA Invite: eLevate TF2 vs. Ding Dong Daddy in Events
blazeitJintaban getawhale from casting plssHe never changes tone during casting. Big play or small his tone is same and sometimes he laughs off big plays.
his interview questions are boring and he talks more than the person he interviews

Thank you for that input, that's actually something I'm conscious of. It's good to know it's evident because that means I have to keep working on it.

posted about 10 years ago
#2 How many hours does your friends list have? in TF2 General Discussion

1,393,514

posted about 10 years ago
#1 what colors is this dress in Off Topic

http://41.media.tumblr.com/a391a1b4b46dd6b498d379e50f96ecbc/tumblr_nkcjuq8Tdr1tnacy1o1_1280.jpg

apparently the internet is having a hard fuckin time deciding what colors this is

post your decision here before reading the article because it might influence you

posted about 10 years ago
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