A decision made by the ETF2L Staff on the first round of div 1 playoffs has sparked some controversy. This match http://etf2l.org/matches/76345/ during the map of gullywash, team D&D broke a class limit rule, and successfully defended an uber dis-ad last hold after wiping on mid. They were punished with a single minor warning.

You can see for yourself here: https://clips.twitch.tv/OptimisticShakingRavenStinkyCheese (courtesy of BigBoyCasts).

There are two crucial points I would like to bring up. Firstly, ETF2L Staff handle rulebreaks on a case by case basis. Sometimes a rule break has no effect on the game, and so a minor warning is acceptable. Other times, the same rule break can massively change the tempo of a game, and the result of the match as a whole should be brought into question. Secondly, the outcome of this match could effect whether or not the teams get into the premiership division by winning div 1. Prem is held to a higher standard than other divs due to the broadcasting, and wanting to maintain top level competition.

For the first point, this was clearly an impactful rulebreak. The defending team is two men down after the offensive team get two frags with their uber. The push is then COMPLETELY halted by a player going pyro whilst the previous pyro was in the respawn queue. The rule is that a dead teammate counts as a player on the field. Meaning you can't kill, for example a medic, and then have another teammate swap to medic, and your medic comes up another class to preserve uber advantage. I emphasise the COMPLETELY halted part, because it was. The attacking team would have successfully pushed the last point with ease if the pyro was not there, making the map a 2-2 scoreline with 10 minutes left. That is an example of completely changing the tempo of a match using a rule break. If the attacking team had won the round anyway, that is an example of a little to no effect rule break. In the little to no effect scenario, that is where a minor warning would suffice. This is an unfair ruling given by the staff since the scoreline could very well be different. The two solutions are simple. Either replay 10 minutes, or the entire map of gullywash, and if Chimpanz Instinct take the map, then the decider map is played.

For the second point, this match could decide which team plays in the prem div in ETF2L. Why is this rulebreak being treated so mildly? It should be held to the same standards a prem official is held to.

Share your thoughts. I think the map should be replayed in its entirety, perhaps others have other interesting propositions on how to handle future cases.

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Granary is fine as a map. It's different to all other maps in the pool for a few reasons:

Soldier is the strongest class.
7 cp playstyle
Tight chokes make it play differently, easy to learn holds/stalemates.
Easy to push out of last if you win a fight on last as defenders, as well as easy to push to last if you win a fight on second.
Lots more flank potential than other maps.
Mid and last plays like an arena fight testing team coordination over strats.
Plenty of offclasses easily viable.
Very basic strategies like ubertrading very viable.

It is such a unique map, I never get why the people who complain about it are the same people who want a new, fresh map. Look at process and sunshine, nearly identical maps. Look at metalworks, the "worst" parts of granary are so much more apparent there, but people still prefer it for some reason.

The problem with granary is that people don't know how to play it, not that it's a bad map (same with product and badlands). Granary and badlands are the two maps that people knew how to play better 3-5 years ago than they do now. If you want to learn how to play it, watch demos from years ago, not recent ones. Sometimes TF2 requires patience, something that todays players lack. Which I don't really get, since it's a part of the game. Don't know why people play the game if they dont have patience

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Edit: (except not really an edit HA gottem) one of my lungs died.

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