thank you for your reply, kind samaritans

3 questions

1. Is one yelling in comms when tilted better or worse than one who gets completely mute?

2. Why do some people hate others based on their appearance in streams rather than their personal interactions?

3. Why is toemas an incel?

Answer in any way you see fit. Thank you for cooperating tftv

It's true, I'm there right now. :)

u say this, but at the same time he has made moments. There is balance.

Double elim is cringe, agreed. No reason to double elim it in prem/div 1 when already played a season. However, being boring/the season meaning nothing isnt true. It isnt as boring if you actually are pushed to try. If you are on a team that just rolls their games and doesnt really need to be pushed to try that hard once a week, and scrim fairly hard, then i see how it is boring, and how the season is irrelevant. I guarantee for svift, and faint (and also the 5th-7th place teams) the season was not irrelevant.

Legit is right when he says bit of luck and that people in chat are cringe. Imagine if you call Ombrack cringe but he is still 100x better than u. I can imagine that cus it's me. GGs cringelords (including myself).

Dont let Doughy on your team.

Interesting analogy, but not quite. It's more like I'm saying: You can't say that person X can't run as fast as Bolt if he reached the same speed for 10m rather than the full 100m. Ofc it may seem unlikely, but this analogy does take it to the extreme. It isn't nearly as clear cut as that.

Agreed with second point.

Agreed Gaz, he did indeed play well (which is expected). However, the main point is that the reason team LR should get a default win is that Swi does the "McDickin'" and then hamaham shits the bed and they get rolled (or even beaten) in a golden cap. But the fact that hamaham did well on scout, results in problems on whether or not team LR would have won even if hamaham plays scout and swi on medic for the main part of the map. Since this is questionable, a rematch is optimal rather than a default win for a team that may not deserve it.

This is resulted in a problem (it is 2 point limit so >2 not ≥2) as one team believed and and another team believed the other.

ETF2L admin credibility has been brought into question by this official http://etf2l.org/matches/74575/. Logs: http://logs.tf/2240852 http://logs.tf/2240874

From the information I have been given, the key points are:
1. The issue arises from Swi (premiership scout for team Mongi Mode / TorritSukinToes that unfortunately folded) playing scout in a division 2 official match for team Surstromming.

2. All mercs for medic being denied (literally all of them) by team Lithuanian Rhapsody. So team Surstomming had to play with their main scout on medic, and a sub scout on scout. (Subs on a team cannot be denied to play in a game, however they are also not denied entry to a roster of a lower division.) They swapped back (so main scout on scout, and sub on medic) second map, so that map is not in question.

3. Scheduling problems resulting in team Lithuanian Rhapsody requesting a reschedule to the next day after accepting a date already. They requested the date be moved to Thursday ON Wednesday after Sunday already being the accepted date. Team Surstromming denied this reschedule.

4. This being a playoffs deciding match.

5. Admins giving advice that affected a team negatively. One admin said that rather than replay the first map, Surstromming is told to play with Swi on medic. Even though Sustromming followed through with this, they still got a default loss for the map. If they had not heeded the advice of an admin, and rather forced a replay of the map then they would POTENTIALLY not be in the same position.

6.The golden cap, team Sustromming played with correct classes and won, so this raises the validity of the main concern of team Lithuanian Rhapsody, which is whether or not having a prem player in the game actually affected the outcome. In other words, the entire map of granary was not played with incorrect classes, so whether or not this should be a complete 3-0 point loss is very questionable.

So what is wrong with how this case was handled, and how can it be done better in the future? Firstly, the admin who handled it should be the only one who handles this case. Whether that was how it was handled, I am not aware. But this should be key. It prevents bias during the decision making process.

Secondly, both teams were aware of the potential of a problem with Swi on scout BEFORE the game began. However, neither team contacted an admin to ask about it. One team used it as leverage to get a default win, whereas the other used it to have a more experienced player on their team play the match. Both are just as bad in my opinion and should have no effect on the outcome. Obviously though, this was given some value for the team that reported the issue, when it shouldn't have been. Any admin that looked at chat logs or inquired about the issue would be able to see it.

Thirdly, the fact it is a playoffs deciding match should have no effect on how it is handled, but based on the words of admins, it was indeed taken into account. Every match is a playoffs deciding match, and should be treated with equal respect.

Fourthly, all mercs being denied resulted in Surstromming being forced to get their only available sub to be able to play the game. Whilst a team is justified in denying every merc, if the admins wish to remain consistent with the match being a playoffs deciding match, then they should have interjected when this arose. At the same time, Surstromming should have raised their problems to the admins, as should Lithuanian Rhapsody raised their concerns about scheduling problems. Both teams are at fault here (imo Lithuanian Rhapsody more so since denying all mercs forces a sub to play, whereas refusing to change the schedule a day before it would be booked us acceptable), but it looks like neither side is really accounted for, which is unfair in this situation.

Fifthly, team Sustromming did not play with incorrect classes for the entire map of granary, raising concerns as to whether or not team Lithuanian Rhapsody would have won the map even if everyone was playing correct classes.

Finally, what I believe is the main problem is that one admin gave advice to a team. This was then ignored and in fact, even though the team was advised by an admin to do something, it didn't have any affect on the results. The enemy team could still ask for a default win. This raises the main concern of inconsistency and whether or not ETF2L is a credible league.

I believe that the correct way to handle this as admins is to not give a default win. The admins should have forced team Lithuanian Rhapsody and team Sustromming to replay their granary week 7 official asap rather than give a default win. WITH Swi on medic. This ensures that the better team on the day will win the map. It remains consistent with all ideals stated by ETF2L admins, as well as being much more reasonable towards both teams.

Since I have few sources for this information, if any of the following 12 people wish to press their side (the 12 players in the official), their information is likely much more fair and reasonable than mine since they are first person viewers of this debacle. Team Surstromming: Daemon, _gar, Racso, Swi, z0diack, hamaham. Team Lithuanian Rhapsody: Foz, Five baz, Shpeeisme, NeuTronas, Detoed., tuja

fuck i meant unban

fuck i meant toe-mas_

he did nothing wrong

this should be on tftv1, closer game.

:(