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"Balance changes" opinions, June 2017 Survey
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#1
r/tf2
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Yo,

I'm Murky (/u/Deadshot_Calamity) and a moderaptor for the r/tf2 subreddit.

I know that our sub is notorious for more pub-minded opinions, and as someone who often looks through both this website and r/truetf2, some of those more pub-minded opinions are more often than not just incorrect. (Especially towards items such as the BASE Jumper)

To balance out all the people mindlessly pleading to buff the Bison, could you do us a favour and fill out the short survey concerning the recent "Balance Changes" blog post, and general interactions between different classes?

https://goo.gl/forms/STLGYGWL89MJbA7m1

The results are planned to be sent directly to the TF Team via the Email Valve website. If you believe that sending it to Robin Walker or Eric Smith would be better, be sure to let me know.
All help would be Greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your time.

-Murky

Yo,

I'm Murky (/u/Deadshot_Calamity) and a moderaptor for the r/tf2 subreddit.

I know that our sub is notorious for more pub-minded opinions, and as someone who often looks through both this website and r/truetf2, some of those more pub-minded opinions are more often than not just incorrect. (Especially towards items such as the BASE Jumper)

To balance out all the people mindlessly pleading to buff the Bison, could you do us a favour and fill out the short survey concerning the recent "Balance Changes" blog post, and general interactions between different classes?

https://goo.gl/forms/STLGYGWL89MJbA7m1

The results are planned to be sent directly to the TF Team via the Email Valve website. If you believe that sending it to Robin Walker or Eric Smith would be better, be sure to let me know.
All help would be [i]Greatly[/i] appreciated.

Thanks for your time.

-Murky
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#2
26 Frags +

uhhhhh post the survey lol

also robin walker doesnt work on tf2 anymore????

uhhhhh post the survey lol

also robin walker doesnt work on tf2 anymore????
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#3
r/tf2
1 Frags +
Blaine_uhhhhh post the survey lol

also robin walker doesnt work on tf2 anymore????

I am the very smarts. Got the link ready just as I posted it. Shoulda done it earlier

And it was just an example. I don't really remember who is and isn't in the team. I was more referring to if someone here had a contact to, say, Robin Walker, they could make sure that it gets passed on to the right contacts.

[quote=Blaine_]uhhhhh post the survey lol

also robin walker doesnt work on tf2 anymore????[/quote]

I am the very smarts. Got the link ready just as I posted it. Shoulda done it earlier

And it was just an example. I don't really remember who is and isn't in the team. I was more referring to if someone here had a contact to, say, Robin Walker, they could make sure that it gets passed on to the right contacts.
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#4
-30 Frags +

I mean it's pretty clear who the best classes already are. It's been said a million times already.

A Tier Medic
B Tier Scout Soldier Demo
C Tier Sniper
D Tier Heavy Engi
F Pyro Spy

I mean it's pretty clear who the best classes already are. It's been said a million times already.

A Tier Medic
B Tier Scout Soldier Demo
C Tier Sniper
D Tier Heavy Engi
F Pyro Spy
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#5
14 Frags +

The formatting of this is really weird. "on a scale of 1 to 7, how strong is x when you fight them"? That's really hard to put into general terms. As in 7 being overpowered? or 7 just being stronger compared to the other classes? They questions also seem somewhat redundant, since there's basically 3 variants of "how strong do you find every class".

"how strong is x when you play them" is also really case-by-case, like somebody who mains medic or engineer might not score very high on scout or demoman. So is that feedback viewed as a class being hard to learn, or just as a class being weak?

The formatting of this is really weird. "on a scale of 1 to 7, how strong is x when you fight them"? That's really hard to put into general terms. As in 7 being overpowered? or 7 just being stronger compared to the other classes? They questions also seem somewhat redundant, since there's basically 3 variants of "how strong do you find every class".

"how strong is x when you play them" is also really case-by-case, like somebody who mains medic or engineer might not score very high on scout or demoman. So is that feedback viewed as a class being hard to learn, or just as a class being weak?
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#6
8 Frags +

they just need to add tutorials for the other classes

hey, valve, add the other tutorials you fucking baboons

they just need to add tutorials for the other classes

hey, valve, add the other tutorials you fucking baboons
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#7
r/tf2
5 Frags +
FUNKeThe formatting of this is really weird. "on a scale of 1 to 7, how strong is the scout"? That's really hard to put into general terms. As in 7 being overpowered? or 7 just being stronger compared to the other classes? They questions also seem somewhat redundant, since there's basically 3 variants of "how strong do you find every class".

"how strong is x when you play them" is also really case-by-case, like somebody who mains medic or engineer might not score very high on scout or demoman. So is that feedback viewed as a class being hard to learn, or just as a class being weak?

Let me clarify, because it is intentionally worded that way. They are all purely subjective.

How much do you like to play these classes? (Out of 7) (1= Not at all, 7=Hella)
What's your main? What classes are more enjoyable to play, and which ones aren't?

How strong are these classes when you play them? (Out of 7)
Heavy is ez ecksdee, piro takes no skill. - Basically asking what people think of them in terms of how OP, UP or balanced they are from their perspective when they play the game.

How strong are these classes when playing against them? (Out of 7)
Demo is OP just sticky spam for the winz (xd). - How difficult or frustrating they are to play against. Especially noting Spy, Sniper and Scout.

Generally, how balanced do you think these classes are? (Out of 7) (1=Not at all, UP, 7=Not at all, OP, 4=Balanced)
General opinions on if people think it's broken or fine. I genuinely know of people who find Sniper OP because he has the Huntsman.

Basically, this is meant to be filled by someone 11yrs +. I'm not going into specifics, because some people won't understand them.

And yes I know it's case-by-case, that's the point. I want the general opinions. We know statistically the best classes. And I'm sure the TF team does as well. There's no point in telling them something they already know. I'm solely wanting opinions.

[quote=FUNKe]The formatting of this is really weird. "on a scale of 1 to 7, how strong is the scout"? That's really hard to put into general terms. As in 7 being overpowered? or 7 just being stronger compared to the other classes? They questions also seem somewhat redundant, since there's basically 3 variants of "how strong do you find every class".

"how strong is x when you play them" is also really case-by-case, like somebody who mains medic or engineer might not score very high on scout or demoman. So is that feedback viewed as a class being hard to learn, or just as a class being weak?[/quote]

Let me clarify, because it is intentionally worded that way. They are all purely subjective.

How much do you like to play these classes? (Out of 7) (1= Not at all, 7=Hella)
What's your main? What classes are more enjoyable to play, and which ones aren't?

How strong are these classes when you play them? (Out of 7)
Heavy is ez ecksdee, piro takes no skill. - Basically asking what people think of them in terms of how OP, UP or balanced they are from their perspective when they play the game.

How strong are these classes when playing against them? (Out of 7)
Demo is OP just sticky spam for the winz (xd). - How difficult or frustrating they are to play against. Especially noting Spy, Sniper and Scout.

Generally, how balanced do you think these classes are? (Out of 7) (1=Not at all, UP, 7=Not at all, OP, 4=Balanced)
General opinions on if people think it's broken or fine. I genuinely know of people who find Sniper OP because he has the Huntsman.

Basically, this is meant to be filled by someone 11yrs +. I'm not going into specifics, because some people won't understand them.

And yes I know it's case-by-case, that's the point. I want the general opinions. We know statistically the best classes. And I'm sure the TF team does as well. There's no point in telling them something they already know. I'm solely wanting opinions.
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#8
0 Frags +

i was about to make a similar poll but without 8 different degrees of "likeness" for each question so that people dont have to think about how much they agree or disagree on each answer
please make these shorter / with simpler answers

i was about to make a similar poll but without 8 different degrees of "likeness" for each question so that people dont have to think about how much they agree or disagree on each answer
please make these shorter / with simpler answers
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#9
20 Frags +

https://gyazo.com/bf6611e4a222feacfbd0bf4132e83f73.png

Memes aside I really hope they look into changing the default settings (mainly net settings and fov) since it's honestly painful to spectate someone who isn't playing with fov_desired 90

[img]https://gyazo.com/bf6611e4a222feacfbd0bf4132e83f73.png[/img]

Memes aside I really hope they look into changing the default settings (mainly net settings and fov) since it's honestly painful to spectate someone who isn't playing with fov_desired 90
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#10
4 Frags +
MurkyAnd yes I know it's case-by-case, that's the point. I want the general opinions. We know statistically the best classes. And I'm sure the TF team does as well. There's no point in telling them something they already know. I'm solely wanting opinions.

I'm aware that every answer would be viewed as a personal opinion but when I referred to case by case I was saying that people will score for very different reasons that aren't discernible based soley on a 1-7 ranking. Is somebody ranking engineer as a 1 in strength because they like playing him and want him to be more versatile, or is somebody ranking him 1 in strength because he's easy to beat as a lot of the classes? I'm not sure what information there is to gather when you can't really discern that sort of cognitive bias

[quote=Murky]
And yes I know it's case-by-case, that's the point. I want the general opinions. We know statistically the best classes. And I'm sure the TF team does as well. There's no point in telling them something they already know. I'm solely wanting opinions.[/quote]

I'm aware that every answer would be viewed as a personal opinion but when I referred to case by case I was saying that people will score for very different reasons that aren't discernible based soley on a 1-7 ranking. Is somebody ranking engineer as a 1 in strength because they like playing him and want him to be more versatile, or is somebody ranking him 1 in strength because he's easy to beat as a lot of the classes? I'm not sure what information there is to gather when you can't really discern that sort of cognitive bias
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#11
18 Frags +
Koncepthttps://gyazo.com/bf6611e4a222feacfbd0bf4132e83f73.png

Memes aside I really hope they look into changing the default settings (mainly net settings and fov) since it's honestly painful to spectate someone who isn't playing with fov_desired 90

i already have one tho

http://i.imgur.com/b2bgQlx.png

[quote=Koncept][img]https://gyazo.com/bf6611e4a222feacfbd0bf4132e83f73.png[/img]

Memes aside I really hope they look into changing the default settings (mainly net settings and fov) since it's honestly painful to spectate someone who isn't playing with fov_desired 90[/quote]

i already have one tho

[img]http://i.imgur.com/b2bgQlx.png[/img]
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#12
11 Frags +

i cant answer the last question on the first page properly because the issue with the specialists is that they're too strong situationally and garbage the rest of the time

i cant answer the last question on the first page properly because the issue with the specialists is that they're too strong situationally and garbage the rest of the time
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#13
-2 Frags +
MurkyFUNKeThe formatting of this is really weird. "on a scale of 1 to 7, how strong is the scout"? That's really hard to put into general terms. As in 7 being overpowered? or 7 just being stronger compared to the other classes? They questions also seem somewhat redundant, since there's basically 3 variants of "how strong do you find every class".

"how strong is x when you play them" is also really case-by-case, like somebody who mains medic or engineer might not score very high on scout or demoman. So is that feedback viewed as a class being hard to learn, or just as a class being weak?

Let me clarify, because it is intentionally worded that way. They are all purely subjective.

How much do you like to play these classes? (Out of 7) (1= Not at all, 7=Hella)
What's your main? What classes are more enjoyable to play, and which ones aren't?

How strong are these classes when you play them? (Out of 7)
Heavy is ez ecksdee, piro takes no skill. - Basically asking what people think of them in terms of how OP, UP or balanced they are from their perspective when they play the game.

How strong are these classes when playing against them? (Out of 7)
Demo is OP just sticky spam for the winz (xd). - How difficult or frustrating they are to play against. Especially noting Spy, Sniper and Scout.

Generally, how balanced do you think these classes are? (Out of 7) (1=Not at all, UP, 7=Not at all, OP, 4=Balanced)
General opinions on if people think it's broken or fine. I genuinely know of people who find Sniper OP because he has the Huntsman.

Basically, this is meant to be filled by someone 11yrs +. I'm not going into specifics, because some people won't understand them.

And yes I know it's case-by-case, that's the point. I want the general opinions. We know statistically the best classes. And I'm sure the TF team does as well. There's no point in telling them something they already know. I'm solely wanting opinions.

Why would our opinions matter on how powerful we viewed the classes if we already knew which classes were statistically the best classes. That didn't make sense.

[quote=Murky][quote=FUNKe]The formatting of this is really weird. "on a scale of 1 to 7, how strong is the scout"? That's really hard to put into general terms. As in 7 being overpowered? or 7 just being stronger compared to the other classes? They questions also seem somewhat redundant, since there's basically 3 variants of "how strong do you find every class".

"how strong is x when you play them" is also really case-by-case, like somebody who mains medic or engineer might not score very high on scout or demoman. So is that feedback viewed as a class being hard to learn, or just as a class being weak?[/quote]

Let me clarify, because it is intentionally worded that way. They are all purely subjective.

How much do you like to play these classes? (Out of 7) (1= Not at all, 7=Hella)
What's your main? What classes are more enjoyable to play, and which ones aren't?

How strong are these classes when you play them? (Out of 7)
Heavy is ez ecksdee, piro takes no skill. - Basically asking what people think of them in terms of how OP, UP or balanced they are from their perspective when they play the game.

How strong are these classes when playing against them? (Out of 7)
Demo is OP just sticky spam for the winz (xd). - How difficult or frustrating they are to play against. Especially noting Spy, Sniper and Scout.

Generally, how balanced do you think these classes are? (Out of 7) (1=Not at all, UP, 7=Not at all, OP, 4=Balanced)
General opinions on if people think it's broken or fine. I genuinely know of people who find Sniper OP because he has the Huntsman.

Basically, this is meant to be filled by someone 11yrs +. I'm not going into specifics, because some people won't understand them.

And yes I know it's case-by-case, that's the point. I want the general opinions. We know statistically the best classes. And I'm sure the TF team does as well. There's no point in telling them something they already know. I'm solely wanting opinions.[/quote]
Why would our opinions matter on how powerful we viewed the classes if we already knew which classes were statistically the best classes. That didn't make sense.
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#14
2 Frags +

I still don't know how to answer. Like for example Scout isn't very strong when I play him, because I'm shit at Scout. Does this mean Scout is underpowered and needs a buff? No, duh. So like, not sure what the point of this survey is.

I still don't know how to answer. Like for example Scout isn't very strong when I play him, because I'm shit at Scout. Does this mean Scout is underpowered and needs a buff? No, duh. So like, not sure what the point of this survey is.
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#15
7 Frags +

I've always been interested in an "Original Jumper"
I would love it if they gave the rocket jumper an option to swap between rocket launchers so you could practice jumping with those special rockets, i.e., "Liberty Launcher" or something with different speeds. Excluding Beggars, that would but amazing, but too op.

I've always been interested in an "Original Jumper"
I would love it if they gave the rocket jumper an option to swap between rocket launchers so you could practice jumping with those special rockets, i.e., "Liberty Launcher" or something with different speeds. Excluding Beggars, that would but amazing, but too op.
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#16
4 Frags +
Koncepthttps://gyazo.com/bf6611e4a222feacfbd0bf4132e83f73.png

Memes aside I really hope they look into changing the default settings (mainly net settings and fov) since it's honestly painful to spectate someone who isn't playing with fov_desired 90

speaking of memes, can anyone tell me how the demoman-glock meme started?

[quote=Koncept][img]https://gyazo.com/bf6611e4a222feacfbd0bf4132e83f73.png[/img]

Memes aside I really hope they look into changing the default settings (mainly net settings and fov) since it's honestly painful to spectate someone who isn't playing with fov_desired 90[/quote]

speaking of memes, can anyone tell me how the demoman-glock meme started?
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#17
1 Frags +

robin walker is a dota2 man now

robin walker is a dota2 man now
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#18
0 Frags +

bison buff hype

bison buff hype
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#19
0 Frags +
xospeaking of memes, can anyone tell me how the demoman-glock meme started?

https://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/558752451441959909/

im not sure when it started on tftv, but this post is the oldest i could find

[quote=xo]speaking of memes, can anyone tell me how the demoman-glock meme started?[/quote]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/440/discussions/0/558752451441959909/

im not sure when it started on tftv, but [url=http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/695517/give-demo-gunboats]this post[/url] is the oldest i could find
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#20
-1 Frags +

fr can people make sure to post 'N mad milk' at the end of their survey? that weapon is dumb

fr can people make sure to post 'N mad milk' at the end of their survey? that weapon is dumb
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#21
-5 Frags +
SwagiI mean it's pretty clear who the best classes already are. It's been said a million times already.

A Tier Medic
B Tier Scout Soldier Demo
C Tier Sniper
D Tier Heavy Engi
F Pyro Spy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odH0CyQvI0I

[quote=Swagi]I mean it's pretty clear who the best classes already are. It's been said a million times already.

A Tier Medic
B Tier Scout Soldier Demo
C Tier Sniper
D Tier Heavy Engi
F Pyro Spy[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odH0CyQvI0I
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#22
1 Frags +
gusSwagiI mean it's pretty clear who the best classes already are. It's been said a million times already.

A Tier Medic
B Tier Scout Soldier Demo
C Tier Sniper
D Tier Heavy Engi
F Pyro Spy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odH0CyQvI0I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2krXq8fw90

[quote=gus][quote=Swagi]I mean it's pretty clear who the best classes already are. It's been said a million times already.

A Tier Medic
B Tier Scout Soldier Demo
C Tier Sniper
D Tier Heavy Engi
F Pyro Spy[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odH0CyQvI0I[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2krXq8fw90
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