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Strange lag when very close to a scout as a scout?
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I wonder if this is common for all, that every single time an opponent scout manages to get as close as possible to me(or the other way around) while I'm also a scout, I start to kinda lag inside him, sort of in a way if you rub say a rubbery square to a wall, the rubber won't slide smoothly, it kinda resists and moves clumsily against it, best comparison I was able to think of.

It feels like the opponent has 0 problems with hitting me, while my aim goes totally off, because again you imagine that you will move and aim just normally, but turn suddenly into a rubber or something. It's super annoying.
Generally I have 0-4 choke, I've no clue if this affects it.
I tried to record a demo, but obviously demos has no lag compensation so maybe this has to do with that? Can film with something directly to show accurately what I mean.

Could there be any fixes for this or is this a problem for everybody?

I wonder if this is common for all, that every single time an opponent scout manages to get as close as possible to me(or the other way around) while I'm also a scout, I start to kinda lag inside him, sort of in a way if you rub say a rubbery square to a wall, the rubber won't slide smoothly, it kinda resists and moves clumsily against it, best comparison I was able to think of.

It feels like the opponent has 0 problems with hitting me, while my aim goes totally off, because again you imagine that you will move and aim just normally, but turn suddenly into a rubber or something. It's super annoying.
Generally I have 0-4 choke, I've no clue if this affects it.
I tried to record a demo, but obviously demos has no lag compensation so maybe this has to do with that? Can film with something directly to show accurately what I mean.

Could there be any fixes for this or is this a problem for everybody?
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maybe your frames are dropping since there is so much going on at once?

maybe your frames are dropping since there is so much going on at once?
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I think the problem is that you're running into the other Scout and it's messing up your/his hitbox. My brother does it to me in mge on purpose so I can't turn to the side and shoot him.

I think the problem is that you're running into the other Scout and it's messing up your/his hitbox. My brother does it to me in mge on purpose so I can't turn to the side and shoot him.
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astrin_maybe your frames are dropping since there is so much going on at once?

Nah not about fps, happens simply always when 2 scouts interact.

[quote=astrin_]maybe your frames are dropping since there is so much going on at once?[/quote]
Nah not about fps, happens simply always when 2 scouts interact.
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Mecha_CopI think the problem is that you're running into the other Scout and it's messing up your/his hitbox. My brother does it to me in mge on purpose so I can't turn to the side and shoot him.

This sounds somewhat logical, I wonder if this kind of hitbox thing could be fixed, like with cylinder hitboxes or something like that?

[quote=Mecha_Cop]I think the problem is that you're running into the other Scout and it's messing up your/his hitbox. My brother does it to me in mge on purpose so I can't turn to the side and shoot him.[/quote]
This sounds somewhat logical, I wonder if this kind of hitbox thing could be fixed, like with cylinder hitboxes or something like that?
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FBTF
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This happens to me when im playing with high ping

This happens to me when im playing with high ping
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Momentum Mod
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definitely a ping thing. should really avoid getting close to people when u have high ping

definitely a ping thing. should really avoid getting close to people when u have high ping
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Gauzedefinitely a ping thing. should really avoid getting close to people when u have high ping

I have this problem always with even 20-30 ping.

[quote=Gauze]definitely a ping thing. should really avoid getting close to people when u have high ping[/quote]
I have this problem always with even 20-30 ping.
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This is how hitboxes in TF2 interact. If you walk into someone and get inside their hitbox, you'll be pushed out so the hitboxes don't overlap. It's most noticable on scout because you can get into their hitbox quickly before the game realises due to the fast movement speed. You can actually use this to your advantage on scout on low ping by tapping w when you're at very close range next to someone to repeatedly jitter out of them. Because it's you that's being displaced it makes your model really jittery and hard to hit, although this is mostly impractical in actual games.

The interaction does change with ping though. I think because the game takes more time to realise you're inside someone you can actually get through the middle of them and you'll get pushed out in a different direction which is why you can sort of slide through other players on scout at higher ping. You can't use this to your advantage too well because you kind of get teleported randomly and aren't looking in the direction of the player when you come out the other side.

This is how hitboxes in TF2 interact. If you walk into someone and get inside their hitbox, you'll be pushed out so the hitboxes don't overlap. It's most noticable on scout because you can get into their hitbox quickly before the game realises due to the fast movement speed. You can actually use this to your advantage on scout on low ping by tapping w when you're at very close range next to someone to repeatedly jitter out of them. Because it's you that's being displaced it makes your model really jittery and hard to hit, although this is mostly impractical in actual games.

The interaction does change with ping though. I think because the game takes more time to realise you're inside someone you can actually get through the middle of them and you'll get pushed out in a different direction which is why you can sort of slide through other players on scout at higher ping. You can't use this to your advantage too well because you kind of get teleported randomly and aren't looking in the direction of the player when you come out the other side.
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Does it use that fixed orientation bounding box for those calculations?

Does it use that fixed orientation bounding box for those calculations?
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Yeah pretty sure collision hulls are what calculate this so it's wider on the diagonals etc. You can kind of test it by wing into a player standing still and strafing and seeing how you slide around them.
I have no proof the game actually does this, but I think it's logically how they'd stop people from getting stuck inside each other. It just comes from having to play really gay with movement on scout when I was on a shitty jittery laptop and couldn't aim. People accused me of ratehacking a lot. The main problem with doing this is that any decent scout will kill you before you get into the ridiculously close range you need to do this.

Yeah pretty sure collision hulls are what calculate this so it's wider on the diagonals etc. You can kind of test it by wing into a player standing still and strafing and seeing how you slide around them.
I have no proof the game actually does this, but I think it's logically how they'd stop people from getting stuck inside each other. It just comes from having to play really gay with movement on scout when I was on a shitty jittery laptop and couldn't aim. People accused me of ratehacking a lot. The main problem with doing this is that any decent scout will kill you before you get into the ridiculously close range you need to do this.
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ZestyYeah pretty sure collision hulls are what calculate this so it's wider on the diagonals etc. You can kind of test it by wing into a player standing still and strafing and seeing how you slide around them.
I have no proof the game actually does this, but I think it's logically how they'd stop people from getting stuck inside each other. It just comes from having to play really gay with movement on scout when I was on a shitty jittery laptop and couldn't aim. People accused me of ratehacking a lot. The main problem with doing this is that any decent scout will kill you before you get into the ridiculously close range you need to do this.

This is a good example of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wGcNzFd3as

[quote=Zesty]Yeah pretty sure collision hulls are what calculate this so it's wider on the diagonals etc. You can kind of test it by wing into a player standing still and strafing and seeing how you slide around them.
I have no proof the game actually does this, but I think it's logically how they'd stop people from getting stuck inside each other. It just comes from having to play really gay with movement on scout when I was on a shitty jittery laptop and couldn't aim. People accused me of ratehacking a lot. The main problem with doing this is that any decent scout will kill you before you get into the ridiculously close range you need to do this.[/quote]

This is a good example of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wGcNzFd3as
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I don't think the issue here is actually the shape of the hitbox though, the jittering in and out would still occur if the collision hull shape was changed because that's the only way I can think of stopping players getting stuck inside each other. Changing the bounding box to be a smaller cylinder would also probably make hitting projectiles a lot harder and scouts even better than they are already. I'm not sure I'd want valve to fuck with that.

I don't think the issue here is actually the shape of the hitbox though, the jittering in and out would still occur if the collision hull shape was changed because that's the only way I can think of stopping players getting stuck inside each other. Changing the bounding box to be a smaller cylinder would also probably make hitting projectiles a lot harder and scouts even better than they are already. I'm not sure I'd want valve to fuck with that.
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ZestyThis is how hitboxes in TF2 interact. If you walk into someone and get inside their hitbox, you'll be pushed out so the hitboxes don't overlap. It's most noticable on scout because you can get into their hitbox quickly before the game realises due to the fast movement speed. You can actually use this to your advantage on scout on low ping by tapping w when you're at very close range next to someone to repeatedly jitter out of them. Because it's you that's being displaced it makes your model really jittery and hard to hit, although this is mostly impractical in actual games.

The interaction does change with ping though. I think because the game takes more time to realise you're inside someone you can actually get through the middle of them and you'll get pushed out in a different direction which is why you can sort of slide through other players on scout at higher ping. You can't use this to your advantage too well because you kind of get teleported randomly and aren't looking in the direction of the player when you come out the other side.

Yeah okay this makes more sense now, my main point was really to find out whether this is a problem on my end allowing anyone else to outplay me for dumb reasons, or simply something touching everyone, thanks.

[quote=Zesty]This is how hitboxes in TF2 interact. If you walk into someone and get inside their hitbox, you'll be pushed out so the hitboxes don't overlap. It's most noticable on scout because you can get into their hitbox quickly before the game realises due to the fast movement speed. You can actually use this to your advantage on scout on low ping by tapping w when you're at very close range next to someone to repeatedly jitter out of them. Because it's you that's being displaced it makes your model really jittery and hard to hit, although this is mostly impractical in actual games.

The interaction does change with ping though. I think because the game takes more time to realise you're inside someone you can actually get through the middle of them and you'll get pushed out in a different direction which is why you can sort of slide through other players on scout at higher ping. You can't use this to your advantage too well because you kind of get teleported randomly and aren't looking in the direction of the player when you come out the other side.[/quote]
Yeah okay this makes more sense now, my main point was really to find out whether this is a problem on my end allowing anyone else to outplay me for dumb reasons, or simply something touching everyone, thanks.
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