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Swatting- who to blame?
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lexsWithADanceNumberAntaresIt's all fun and games until someone gets shot..Losing your chance at future job applications sure is fun and games. Getting humiliated in front of a live audience is fun and games. Having you family/friends/co-workers/lover find out you got raided by a SWAT team fun and games.

Yup, sounds fun to me.
I dont quite understand, he didnt do anything, on what grounds is he losing his chance at a future job?

The legal system doesn't always work. My dad went to prison for a crime he didn't do that didn't affect a single person because the federal government can't lose a court case. The only reason they did it was to get him to falsely testify against his employer for a "cooperation" sentence reduction. The only honest person in the court room is the one they sent to jail.

as long as they think they're right, they are.

[quote=lexs][quote=WithADanceNumber][quote=Antares]It's all fun and games until someone gets shot..[/quote]
Losing your chance at future job applications sure is fun and games. Getting humiliated in front of a live audience is fun and games. Having you family/friends/co-workers/lover find out you got raided by a SWAT team fun and games.

Yup, sounds [i]fun[/i] to me.[/quote]
I dont quite understand, he didnt do anything, on what grounds is he losing his chance at a future job?[/quote]

The legal system doesn't always work. My dad went to prison for a crime he didn't do that didn't affect a single person because the federal government can't lose a court case. The only reason they did it was to get him to falsely testify against his employer for a "cooperation" sentence reduction. The only honest person in the court room is the one they sent to jail.

as long as they think they're right, they are.
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samjain98If you don't know what swatting is, here.
But could one also say that the police are to blame as well?
I respect that they're doing their job by taking the "threat" seriously, but with all the resources and technology the government has at its fingertips, shouldn't one be able to count on them to know what exactly is going on?

Thoughts?

What "technology the government has at its fingertips" are you referring too? How is every department of every jurisdiction across the whole US going to keep track of who's streaming and who could possibly the target of a prank? How are they supposed to know who or what is inside every person's house the moment a call comes in to accuse them of something. Is there a spy cam in every house? It's no different then the fire department, they have to respond to a call even if they believe it's a false alarm.

[quote=samjain98]If you don't know what swatting is, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting]here.[/url]
But could one also say that the police are to blame as well?
I respect that they're doing their job by taking the "threat" seriously, but with all the resources and technology the government has at its fingertips, shouldn't one be able to count on them to know what exactly is going on?

Thoughts?[/quote]

What "technology the government has at its fingertips" are you referring too? How is every department of every jurisdiction across the whole US going to keep track of who's streaming and who could possibly the target of a prank? How are they supposed to know who or what is inside every person's house the moment a call comes in to accuse them of something. Is there a spy cam in every house? It's no different then the fire department, they have to respond to a call even if they believe it's a false alarm.
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kuzasamjain98If you don't know what swatting is, here.
But could one also say that the police are to blame as well?
I respect that they're doing their job by taking the "threat" seriously, but with all the resources and technology the government has at its fingertips, shouldn't one be able to count on them to know what exactly is going on?

Thoughts?

What "technology the government has at its fingertips" are you referring too? How is every department of every jurisdiction across the whole US going to keep track of who's streaming and who could possibly the target of a prank? How are they supposed to know who or what is inside every person's house the moment a call comes in to accuse them of something. Is there a spy cam in every house? It's no different then the fire department, they have to respond to a call even if they believe it's a false alarm.

To me, it's not about reaction to the call, but rather after they are already there. Let's say they get a call for a hostage situation, which is what I understand they came from the video, yet they see no of that when they get there. Why would they still detain the person(s) for time that those officers can see is a lie. It's not like they found any guns, people, or anything to make that assumption, then what is the point of keeping them in jail for any amount of time?

[quote=kuza][quote=samjain98]If you don't know what swatting is, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting]here.[/url]
But could one also say that the police are to blame as well?
I respect that they're doing their job by taking the "threat" seriously, but with all the resources and technology the government has at its fingertips, shouldn't one be able to count on them to know what exactly is going on?

Thoughts?[/quote]

What "technology the government has at its fingertips" are you referring too? How is every department of every jurisdiction across the whole US going to keep track of who's streaming and who could possibly the target of a prank? How are they supposed to know who or what is inside every person's house the moment a call comes in to accuse them of something. Is there a spy cam in every house? It's no different then the fire department, they have to respond to a call even if they believe it's a false alarm.[/quote]

To me, it's not about reaction to the call, but rather after they are already there. Let's say they get a call for a hostage situation, which is what I understand they came from the video, yet they see no of that when they get there. Why would they still detain the person(s) for time that those officers can see is a lie. It's not like they found any guns, people, or anything to make that assumption, then what is the point of keeping them in jail for any amount of time?
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The swat team did nothing wrong though so the cop hate here is bullshit.

The swat team did nothing wrong though so the cop hate here is bullshit.
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I think the swat team did a really good job... It's inherently a much more aggressive approach of policing. It's a mission there's objectives, you accomplish the objectives and then you ask questions later. There's no room for slack. If say I was potential terrorist and I wanted to see how the authorities react to a particular kind of threat... If I saw them back down or somehow be charmed by the person in question. I could use that to avoid unwanted consequences at a later time. What we see in this video which is great... Is if the swat team shows up you get on your hands and knees you shut up and answer their questions.

I think the swat team did a really good job... It's inherently a much more aggressive approach of policing. It's a mission there's objectives, you accomplish the objectives and then you ask questions later. There's no room for slack. If say I was potential terrorist and I wanted to see how the authorities react to a particular kind of threat... If I saw them back down or somehow be charmed by the person in question. I could use that to avoid unwanted consequences at a later time. What we see in this video which is great... Is if the swat team shows up you get on your hands and knees you shut up and answer their questions.
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Usually the SWAT(I hope) teams do their stuff correctly, who gives a shit if they are rude as long as no one get's physically hurt/shot/tasered/what ever. There might be a bomb somewhere, or some madman with a automatic rifle, nothing is known until the area has been cleared out. Best thing the SWAT team can say is like 'Sorry for this misunderstanding'. After they have finished with what ever they had to accomplish to clear the area.

The shit thing about this is, someone is going to get killed because of this prank. Maybe one of the officer sees a weapon and thinks he might attack, or has an itchy trigger finger. Like pet dogs might get shot because the dog might be barking and is in an aggressive stance, maybe other pets..

Personally, I feel like when these sort of threats come they should send out what ever team necessary in case of an actually emergency, and while that happens trace where the call came from.

PS. Not sure but I don't think just getting raided will stay in your criminal record, doesn't make sense if you were innocent but I have no idea how the US handles that.

Usually the SWAT(I hope) teams do their stuff correctly, who gives a shit if they are rude as long as no one get's physically hurt/shot/tasered/what ever. There might be a bomb somewhere, or some madman with a automatic rifle, nothing is known until the area has been cleared out. Best thing the SWAT team can say is like 'Sorry for this misunderstanding'. After they have finished with what ever they had to accomplish to clear the area.

The shit thing about this is, someone is going to get killed because of this prank. Maybe one of the officer sees a weapon and thinks he might attack, or has an itchy trigger finger. Like pet dogs might get shot because the dog might be barking and is in an aggressive stance, maybe other pets..

Personally, I feel like when these sort of threats come they should send out what ever team necessary in case of an actually emergency, and while that happens trace where the call came from.

PS. Not sure but I don't think just getting raided will stay in your criminal record, doesn't make sense if you were innocent but I have no idea how the US handles that.
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all I've gotten out of this thread is that wonderland should just keep playing bball

all I've gotten out of this thread is that wonderland should just keep playing bball
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FzeroTo me, it's not about reaction to the call, but rather after they are already there. Let's say they get a call for a hostage situation, which is what I understand they came from the video, yet they see no of that when they get there. Why would they still detain the person(s) for time that those officers can see is a lie. It's not like they found any guns, people, or anything to make that assumption, then what is the point of keeping them in jail for any amount of time?

I don't see a need for jail time but even figuring out the situation may take a while. They have no idea if the person at the house really lives there, they could be left behind by the rest of his gang who have already left with the victim, off to rob his buddies. Or he could be in fear of his life after being threatened by a group of people. I've known people who have been robbed in a home invasion and unlucky people who just happen to be hanging out there were taken from that location to their own homes to be robbed there too. Gangs don't give a crap, they will hold you for days and use you to rob other people. And they don't look like gang members or criminals, they look just like everyone else because they know it's easier to get away with this kind of thing. The cops have no idea what they are stepping into.

[quote=Fzero]
To me, it's not about reaction to the call, but rather after they are already there. Let's say they get a call for a hostage situation, which is what I understand they came from the video, yet they see no of that when they get there. Why would they still detain the person(s) for time that those officers can see is a lie. It's not like they found any guns, people, or anything to make that assumption, then what is the point of keeping them in jail for any amount of time?[/quote]

I don't see a need for jail time but even figuring out the situation may take a while. They have no idea if the person at the house really lives there, they could be left behind by the rest of his gang who have already left with the victim, off to rob his buddies. Or he could be in fear of his life after being threatened by a group of people. I've known people who have been robbed in a home invasion and unlucky people who just happen to be hanging out there were taken from that location to their own homes to be robbed there too. Gangs don't give a crap, they will hold you for days and use you to rob other people. And they don't look like gang members or criminals, they look just like everyone else because they know it's easier to get away with this kind of thing. The cops have no idea what they are stepping into.
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Was he taken to jail at all? I don't see anything going on the video to suggest he was any more than temporarily detained for questioning (which is very different from being arrested). What could they possibly have charged him with? Some states also allow you to gag the news paper's ability to publish record of your arrest (in some circumstances) if it's something you're really that worried about. Detentions don't go on your record, nor do they typically go in the news paper (although the swat operation and the hoax would). Apparently several high profile celebrities have been swatted as well (Tom Cruise, Justin Bieber, etc).

Also I should point out miwo that it's actually pretty easy to file a civil suit against somebody without a lawyer. In this case it wouldn't be about monetary compensation (unless the judge is feeling really nice) it would be about punishing the perpetrator over and above what the government will already do - and all you'd have to do is pay the small fee to file the claim and take a day off (in kootra's case) from streaming to show up in court. Once they sort out who did it. All you have to do is prove that you were damaged - there's video and print evidence in this case that he was damaged lol. Also, because these damages were inflicted due to a willful or malicious act even bankruptcy wouldn't absolve you from paying the damages (as long as the judge notices it or you were to file a complaint with the relevant bankruptcy court - which I would also wager isn't that hard).

Was he taken to jail at all? I don't see anything going on the video to suggest he was any more than temporarily detained for questioning (which is very different from being arrested). What could they possibly have charged him with? Some states also allow you to gag the news paper's ability to publish record of your arrest (in some circumstances) if it's something you're really that worried about. Detentions don't go on your record, nor do they typically go in the news paper (although the swat operation and the hoax would). Apparently several high profile celebrities have been swatted as well (Tom Cruise, Justin Bieber, etc).

Also I should point out miwo that it's actually pretty easy to file a civil suit against somebody without a lawyer. In this case it wouldn't be about monetary compensation (unless the judge is feeling really nice) it would be about punishing the perpetrator over and above what the government will already do - and all you'd have to do is pay the small fee to file the claim and take a day off (in kootra's case) from streaming to show up in court. Once they sort out who did it. All you have to do is prove that you were damaged - there's video and print evidence in this case that he was damaged lol. Also, because these damages were inflicted due to a willful or malicious act even bankruptcy wouldn't absolve you from paying the damages (as long as the judge notices it or you were to file a complaint with the relevant bankruptcy court - which I would also wager isn't that hard).
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I wonder if thats only an american problem or does it happen somewhere else as well?

I wonder if thats only an american problem or does it happen somewhere else as well?
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The guy who swatted Kootra was caught and sentenced to 25 years of prison
http://nationalreport.net/15-year-old-swatted-domestic-terrorism/

Edit: Misled by article, not credible :(. Goes into the Kootra situation and diverts to another story.

The guy who swatted Kootra was caught and sentenced to 25 years of prison
http://nationalreport.net/15-year-old-swatted-domestic-terrorism/

Edit: Misled by article, not credible :(. Goes into the Kootra situation and diverts to another story.
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FenryrThe guy who swatted Kootra was caught and sentenced to 25 years of prison
http://nationalreport.net/15-year-old-swatted-domestic-terrorism/

Damn man, 25 to life. That might make other people think about doing this

[quote=Fenryr]The guy who swatted Kootra was caught and sentenced to 25 years of prison
http://nationalreport.net/15-year-old-swatted-domestic-terrorism/[/quote]


Damn man, 25 to life. That might make other people think about doing this
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national report lol

national report lol
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#105
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I can't believe they gave 25 years to a 15 years old kid.

I can't believe they gave 25 years to a 15 years old kid.
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BadAssDwg69

BadAssDwg69
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Reservoir_dogI can't believe they gave 25 years to a 15 years old kid.

maybe because they didn't

freakinnational report lol
[quote=Reservoir_dog]I can't believe they gave 25 years to a 15 years old kid.[/quote]
maybe because they didn't

[quote=freakin]national report lol[/quote]
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idk about the credibility of that article but if its true i think swatting is over boys.
either that or people will go to greater lengths to remain hidden

idk about the credibility of that article but if its true i think swatting is over boys.
either that or people will go to greater lengths to remain hidden
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It's not credible at all, the national report is a fake news website - like the onion. There's no way in hell, furthermore, that they'd have already found, arrested, tried, and sentenced the perpetrator of a criminal act that occurred only a few days ago.

It's not credible at all, the national report is a fake news website - like the onion. There's no way in hell, furthermore, that they'd have already found, arrested, tried, and sentenced the perpetrator of a criminal act that occurred only a few days ago.
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That was for the 15 year old killing a toddler or something, not swatting.

That was for the 15 year old killing a toddler or something, not swatting.
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ahhhh, got it

ahhhh, got it
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Too bad it's not real :/

Too bad it's not real :/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ziLjOPCQwg

thought someone posted this the last time swatting came around.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ziLjOPCQwg[/youtube]

thought someone posted this the last time swatting came around.
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Zambler
thought someone posted this the last time swatting came around.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-23502300

just to fuck you up even more

[quote=Zambler]

thought someone posted this the last time swatting came around.[/quote]
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-23502300

just to fuck you up even more
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