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Let's talk Ferguson
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#31
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ITT generalizations of things that people didnt say

ITT generalizations of things that people didnt say
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SpaceCadetFor myself, I will wait for when the media can repeatedly report on the same outrage when a black person kills a white person. When was the last time you seen that reported on international news and had the president involved? Take your time to look it up, I am not going to hold my breath. Maybe its because we don't use every incident like this to riot.

You are creating a false equivalency here - simplifying the situation. It was not just a 'white' man that killed an African American boy, it was a white police officer(serve and protect?). And keep in mind, this has been going on for decades, black communities with the presence of predominately white cops. I don't have to tell you the whole 'fuck the police' era wasn't because blacks weren't too fond of being caught, it's because blacks are 3x more likely to harassed and unfairly searched by the police, just due to skin color and surrounding stereotypes. It becomes tiring so to speak, when you have a sort of distinct oppressor, in this case, white police.

Now, when a black person kills a white person guess what happens? They go to jail. The only reason this is a huge issue, is because WE KNOW the policeman in question won't go to jail, because they NEVER go to jail. Let alone a severe punishment. Just like the case of Trayvon Martin - It was only an issue because he was killed, but the killer got away, with barely any legal repercussions.

Once again, a black person did kill a white person and there was outrage, it's called the O.J. Simpson trial. Same situation, the killer got away.

There was also the murder of Eric Garner, a black man who broke up a fight then was choked to death by the police, then there was Ezell Ford, a reportedly mentally ill black man who was gunned down by the cops(few days after ferguson shooting). The only difference in these cases is that there was no protest. Which is the main reason the Michael Brown murder is huge news.

[quote=SpaceCadet]For myself, I will wait for when the media can repeatedly report on the same outrage when a black person kills a white person. When was the last time you seen that reported on international news and had the president involved? Take your time to look it up, I am not going to hold my breath. Maybe its because we don't use every incident like this to riot.[/quote]

You are creating a false equivalency here - simplifying the situation. It was not just a 'white' man that killed an African American boy, it was a white [b]police officer[/b](serve and protect?). And keep in mind, this has been going on for decades, black communities with the presence of predominately white cops. I don't have to tell you the whole 'fuck the police' era wasn't because blacks weren't too fond of being caught, it's because blacks are 3x more likely to harassed and unfairly searched by the police, just due to skin color and surrounding stereotypes. It becomes tiring so to speak, when you have a sort of distinct oppressor, in this case, white police.

Now, when a black person kills a white person guess what happens? [b]They go to jail.[/b] The only reason this is a huge issue, is because WE KNOW the policeman in question won't go to jail, because they NEVER go to jail. Let alone a severe punishment. Just like the case of Trayvon Martin - It was only an issue because he was killed, but the killer got away, with barely any legal repercussions.

Once again, a black person did kill a white person and there was outrage, it's called the O.J. Simpson trial. Same situation, the killer got away.

There was also the murder of Eric Garner, a black man who broke up a fight then was choked to death by the police, then there was Ezell Ford, a reportedly mentally ill black man who was gunned down by the cops(few days after ferguson shooting). The only difference in these cases is that there was no protest. Which is the main reason the Michael Brown murder is huge news.
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I never said no swat teams at all. I said we need them regionally.

I never said no swat teams at all. I said we need them regionally.
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I think everyone's more pissed off the cop hasn't been charged with anything yet. Pigs.

I think everyone's more pissed off the cop hasn't been charged with anything yet. Pigs.
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The real talk about it is that a black man has a higher risk of death than a white man simply by being black. This isn't simply a black and white thing, it's a cultural thing. If you wear the wrong color in the wrong neighborhood you're likely to run into some jive. The fact that these folks often live in subpar conditions (we could get into that, that'd be cool, "why america hates black people, historically") that often breeds some desperation has given PoC a bad reputation and put most officers on edge around them in urban areas. While the cop is by no means justified, and really should be publicly shamed as well as be imprisoned, it is far to common an occurrence to simply push every one to the forefront. This one has caused outrage because it isn't NY, it isn't LA, it's just plain ass, cracker ass Middle America.

The real talk about it is that a black man has a higher risk of death than a white man simply by being black. This isn't simply a black and white thing, it's a cultural thing. If you wear the wrong color in the wrong neighborhood you're likely to run into some jive. The fact that these folks often live in subpar conditions (we could get into that, that'd be cool, "why america hates black people, historically") that often breeds some desperation has given PoC a bad reputation and put most officers on edge around them in urban areas. While the cop is by no means justified, and really should be publicly shamed as well as be imprisoned, it is far to common an occurrence to simply push every one to the forefront. This one has caused outrage because it isn't NY, it isn't LA, it's just plain ass, cracker ass Middle America.
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SpaceCadet

So you want more two-sided racism coverage? dunno dude, "Breaking news, black singer calls white people "crackers" again! Oh the humanity!" doesn't quite quite the same ring to it as "White dude shoots unarmed black kid. Again!" "Blacks continue to serve the same amount of time for getting caught with drugs as white people do for violent crime!" "Black people continue to represent about 12% of drug using population, while proudly representing 60% of the people who go to jail for it!" ect ect

[quote=SpaceCadet][/quote]
So you want more two-sided racism coverage? dunno dude, "Breaking news, black singer calls white people "crackers" again! Oh the humanity!" doesn't quite quite the same ring to it as "White dude shoots unarmed black kid. Again!" "Blacks continue to serve the same amount of time for getting caught with drugs as white people do for violent crime!" "Black people continue to represent about 12% of drug using population, while proudly representing 60% of the people who go to jail for it!" ect ect
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Yeah, SpaceCadet, the reason riots occur is because there are plenty of white middle class suburban people who decide that the blacks have no reason to ever be upset because they don't see racism. The fact that people think racism doesn't exist propagates racism. Racism exists, whether or not you like or see it.

Yeah, SpaceCadet, the reason riots occur is because there are plenty of white middle class suburban people who decide that the blacks have no reason to ever be upset because they don't see racism. The fact that people think racism doesn't exist propagates racism. Racism exists, whether or not you like or see it.
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sallpalSpaceCadetSo you want more two-sided racism coverage? dunno dude, "Breaking news, black singer calls white people "crackers" again! Oh the humanity!" doesn't quite quite the same ring to it as "White dude shoots unarmed black kid. Again!" "Blacks continue to serve the same amount of time for getting caught with drugs as white people do for violent crime!" "Black people continue to represent about 12% of drug using population, while proudly representing 60% of the people who go to jail for it!" ect ect

Don't open that can of worms.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3

[quote=sallpal][quote=SpaceCadet][/quote]
So you want more two-sided racism coverage? dunno dude, "Breaking news, black singer calls white people "crackers" again! Oh the humanity!" doesn't quite quite the same ring to it as "White dude shoots unarmed black kid. Again!" "Blacks continue to serve the same amount of time for getting caught with drugs as white people do for violent crime!" "Black people continue to represent about 12% of drug using population, while proudly representing 60% of the people who go to jail for it!" ect ect[/quote]
Don't open that can of worms.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3
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WaldoDon't open that can of worms.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3

Not sure what part of 'blacks are convicted for disproportionately more murders than white people per capita' conflicts with how not real reverse racism is.

There are a lot of reasons for that and plenty of them have to do with racism. Plus, it's not like those black people are out murdering white people; 90% of murders are interracial.

[quote=Waldo]
Don't open that can of worms.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3[/quote]

Not sure what part of 'blacks are convicted for disproportionately more murders than white people per capita' conflicts with how not real reverse racism is.

There are a lot of reasons for that and plenty of them have to do with racism. Plus, it's not like those black people are out murdering white people; 90% of murders are interracial.
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From what I've seen there's just been a bunch of mistakes and mishandlings by almost everyone involved in Ferguson.

The original incident was prefaced with the bank robbery footage, but it wasn't apparent at the shooting that the Brown was the robber.

The encounter with the officer has swung a lot of ways as new information is uncovered. The autopsy revealed that there were around 6 shots near his arms and at the top of the head.The way I've heard this interpreted is that Brown charged at the officer, so the shooting is looking a bit more justified (I'd wait for more information).

The police were reluctant to release the officer's name, but idk how to feel about this. I'd think it's common practice to not reveal an officer's name who is the subject of an investigation. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

IIRC, the protests started out peacefully, only to turn violent when a few extremists from the area started, and others from outside of Ferguson joined in (got this from locals on the live streams, don't know how true it is).

The police seem to have the right goal in mind of containing the riots, but they've fucked up everything in dealing with it, which is mostly due to poor training of the police for the equipment they've received.

Just what I've picked up so far.

sallpalreverse racism

lol

From what I've seen there's just been a bunch of mistakes and mishandlings by almost everyone involved in Ferguson.

The original incident was prefaced with the bank robbery footage, but it wasn't apparent at the shooting that the Brown was the robber.

The encounter with the officer has swung a lot of ways as new information is uncovered. The autopsy revealed that there were around [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0]6 shots near his arms and at the top of the head.[/url]The way I've heard this interpreted is that Brown charged at the officer, so the shooting is looking a bit more justified (I'd wait for more information).

The police were reluctant to release the officer's name, but idk how to feel about this. I'd think it's common practice to not reveal an officer's name who is the subject of an investigation. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

IIRC, the protests started out peacefully, only to turn violent when a few extremists from the area started, and others from outside of Ferguson joined in (got this from locals on the live streams, don't know how true it is).

The police seem to have the right goal in mind of containing the riots, but they've fucked up everything in dealing with it, which is mostly due to poor training of the police for the equipment they've received.

Just what I've picked up so far.

[quote=sallpal]reverse racism[/quote]
lol
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Am I the only one that thinks its kind of cool that cops can harass, assault, and murder people with no accountability whatsoever? We're just a few short steps away from Mad Max. That's rad.

Am I the only one that thinks its kind of cool that cops can harass, assault, and murder people with no accountability whatsoever? We're just a few short steps away from Mad Max. That's rad.
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No, that's a dumb question.

No, that's a dumb question.
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was under the impression that police shouldn't usually resort to lethal force but hey that's just me.

was under the impression that police shouldn't usually resort to lethal force but hey that's just me.
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TurinYeah, SpaceCadet, the reason riots occur is because there are plenty of white middle class suburban people who decide that the blacks have no reason to ever be upset because they don't see racism. The fact that people think racism doesn't exist propagates racism. Racism exists, whether or not you like or see it.

Turin, I know racism exists and I never said anything otherwise. I said that in america, racism is a 1 way street.

[quote=Turin]Yeah, SpaceCadet, the reason riots occur is because there are plenty of white middle class suburban people who decide that the blacks have no reason to ever be upset because they don't see racism. The fact that people think racism doesn't exist propagates racism. Racism exists, whether or not you like or see it.[/quote]

Turin, I know racism exists and I never said anything otherwise. I said that in america, racism is a 1 way street.
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Yeah it's a one way street. In your post it sounds as if you're complaining and blaming the black communities instead of say it's a one way street. But I mean the internet is poor at expressing tone in an argument.

Yeah it's a one way street. In your post it sounds as if you're complaining and blaming the black communities instead of say it's a one way street. But I mean the internet is poor at expressing tone in an argument.
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WariThe encounter with the officer has swung a lot of ways as new information is uncovered. The autopsy revealed that there were around 6 shots near his arms and at the top of the head.The way I've heard this interpreted is that Brown charged at the officer, so the shooting is looking a bit more justified (I'd wait for more information).

If someone was charging at me(unarmed) I doubt I would shoot six times, let alone at the upper body. I don't think 'justified' is the right word to use, just yet.

RoyceAm I the only one that thinks its kind of cool that cops can harass, assault, and murder people with no accountability whatsoever? We're just a few short steps away from Mad Max. That's rad.

i'm guessing you're not black

[quote=Wari]The encounter with the officer has swung a lot of ways as new information is uncovered. The autopsy revealed that there were around [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0]6 shots near his arms and at the top of the head.[/url]The way I've heard this interpreted is that Brown charged at the officer, so the shooting is looking a bit more justified (I'd wait for more information).
[/quote]

If someone was charging at me(unarmed) I doubt I would shoot six times, let alone at the upper body. I don't think 'justified' is the right word to use, just yet.


[quote=Royce]Am I the only one that thinks its kind of cool that cops can harass, assault, and murder people with no accountability whatsoever? We're just a few short steps away from Mad Max. That's rad.[/quote]
i'm guessing you're not black
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