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Looking at buying a new mouse
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Hey all, I'm posting here today because I'm looking at buying a new mouse. I've been sporting a Logitech Performance Mouse MX for almost half a decade now. Fun story about that, actually, I had an old MX1100 and the left clicker began to break, where sometimes it clicked twice instead of once - this is incredibly noticable because my browser is set up so double clicking a tab closes it, so when switching tabs, they randomly just closed instead. Swapped to left handed mode and it was confirmed. Logitech's legendary customer support literally just sent me a brand new top of the line mouse for no cost and didn't take my old one back. Anyway, that's not why I'm here today. Basically I've been using this Performance Mouse MX for almost half a decade and it's starting to fall apart since I'm such a heavy PC user. The scroll wheel is becoming very inaccurate to the point that I can't switch weapons properly in the heat of a fight (ever drop an uber because you switched to your crossbow instead of popping? yeah it's not a great feeling), and the hidden thumb button which I use for mumble/teamspeak PTT isn't always working - I can compare it basically to what happens to iPhone home buttons (though I've never owned one myself) after years of use, or maybe smartphone power buttons.

tl;dr looking for a new mouse. Budget is between $60-$80. I have a palm grip but claw isn't uncomfortable. Because of my palm grip, I tend to stick towards Logitech, because they have pretty good pricing, great customer support, and they're the only ones that truly cater to palm grips.

Things I'm looking for in a mouse:

  • Palm grip preferred, claw is okay
  • Wireless preferred, but a very light cable is okay; I play medic, not scout, so a small wireless delay isn't bad. My PMMX doesn't even have much of a delay - certainly nothing noticable, and I've seen really bad wireless delay. This mouse just simply doesn't have it, so if there are any others that don't, that'd be nice to know
  • Accuracy is always a huge benefit. The "darkfield" sensor in my PMMX was fantastic regarding this, even though it only had 1600DPI
  • Comfort is the most important factor besides price. This is why I'm a palm grip user - I use my computer for hours at a time (like, sometimes 10 hours, I'm a CS major after all) and if at any point my hand hurts, there's an issue.

Basically, here are the mice I'm considering:

I never really considered this mouse, but when I held it in my hand at a recent Hackathon (Bitcamp 2014, all dat Oculus gear), it actually amazed me. Despite being ambidextrous (which, for me, is actually a downside), it was incredibly comfortable, which I could attribute to the rubber grip. It doesn't have many programmable buttons though, which is quite a downside for something like TF2 - I like to have buttons on my mouse bound to PTT (thumb button), deploy uber (I like to keep this away from right click), fake an uber call, mask an uber, etc. My web browser also doesn't have back/forward buttons, because these are bound to mice buttons for me, so the fact that this mouse only has two side buttons is a major disadvantage. The scroll wheel also isn't too great, but hey, the thing is $32.

I've seen a lot of good reviews about this mice. It's apparently very comfortable, despite being a bit ugly imho. It's incredibly accurate (separate from its 12000DPI which is absolutely absurd for what I do). It has 11 customizable buttons, including my highly valued one on the thumb. In reality, it only has five buttons I could truly customize and access quickly besides the scrollwheel and LMB/RMB, but the location of three of them is fantastic. I could easily bind the thumb button to PTT and the two above the thumb to fake call and pop (I have a script to bind RMB to mask so I don't get trigger happy and pop prematurely, which I do often when it's on a mouse button where my finger is already hovering over). Overall it just seems great, and this mouse is definitely the one I'm leaning towards. Plus, it has the fantastic scroll wheel that Logitech is known for, which has been a huge feature in both my MX1100 and PMMX, where a hardware button unlocks the wheel for free-flying scrolling. tl;dr leaning towards this mouse.

Hey all, I'm posting here today because I'm looking at buying a new mouse. I've been sporting a Logitech Performance Mouse MX for almost half a decade now. Fun story about that, actually, I had an old MX1100 and the left clicker began to break, where sometimes it clicked twice instead of once - this is incredibly noticable because my browser is set up so double clicking a tab closes it, so when switching tabs, they randomly just closed instead. Swapped to left handed mode and it was confirmed. Logitech's legendary customer support literally just sent me a brand new top of the line mouse for no cost and didn't take my old one back. Anyway, that's not why I'm here today. Basically I've been using this Performance Mouse MX for almost half a decade and it's starting to fall apart since I'm such a heavy PC user. The scroll wheel is becoming very inaccurate to the point that I can't switch weapons properly in the heat of a fight (ever drop an uber because you switched to your crossbow instead of popping? yeah it's not a great feeling), and the hidden thumb button which I use for mumble/teamspeak PTT isn't always working - I can compare it basically to what happens to iPhone home buttons (though I've never owned one myself) after years of use, or maybe smartphone power buttons.

tl;dr looking for a new mouse. Budget is between $60-$80. I have a palm grip but claw isn't uncomfortable. Because of my palm grip, I tend to stick towards Logitech, because they have pretty good pricing, great customer support, and they're the only ones that truly cater to palm grips.

Things I'm looking for in a mouse:
[list]
[*] Palm grip preferred, claw is okay
[*] Wireless preferred, but a very light cable is okay; I play medic, not scout, so a small wireless delay isn't bad. My PMMX doesn't even have much of a delay - certainly nothing noticable, and I've seen really bad wireless delay. This mouse just simply doesn't have it, so if there are any others that don't, that'd be nice to know
[*] Accuracy is always a huge benefit. The "darkfield" sensor in my PMMX was fantastic regarding this, even though it only had 1600DPI
[*] Comfort is the most important factor besides price. This is why I'm a palm grip user - I use my computer for hours at a time (like, sometimes 10 hours, I'm a CS major after all) and if at any point my hand hurts, there's an issue.
[/list]

Basically, here are the mice I'm considering:

[list][*] [url=http://gaming.coolermaster.com/en/products/mice/recon/]CM Storm Recon[/url] ([url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826570020]$32[/url])[/list]
I never really considered this mouse, but when I held it in my hand at a recent Hackathon (Bitcamp 2014, all dat Oculus gear), it actually amazed me. Despite being ambidextrous (which, for me, is actually a downside), it was incredibly comfortable, which I could attribute to the rubber grip. It doesn't have many programmable buttons though, which is quite a downside for something like TF2 - I like to have buttons on my mouse bound to PTT (thumb button), deploy uber (I like to keep this away from right click), fake an uber call, mask an uber, etc. My web browser also doesn't have back/forward buttons, because these are bound to mice buttons for me, so the fact that this mouse only has two side buttons is a major disadvantage. The scroll wheel also isn't too great, but hey, the thing is $32.

[list][*] [url=http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/g502-proteus-core-tunable-gaming-mouse]Logitech G502 "Proteus Core"[/url] ([url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104934]$80[/url])[/list]
I've seen a lot of good reviews about this mice. It's apparently very comfortable, despite being a bit ugly imho. It's incredibly accurate (separate from its 12000DPI which is absolutely absurd for what I do). It has 11 customizable buttons, including my highly valued one on the thumb. In reality, it only has five buttons I could truly customize and access quickly besides the scrollwheel and LMB/RMB, but the location of three of them is fantastic. I could easily bind the thumb button to PTT and the two above the thumb to fake call and pop (I have a script to bind RMB to mask so I don't get trigger happy and pop prematurely, which I do often when it's on a mouse button where my finger is already hovering over). Overall it just seems great, and this mouse is definitely the one I'm leaning towards. Plus, it has the fantastic scroll wheel that Logitech is known for, which has been a huge feature in both my MX1100 and PMMX, where a hardware button unlocks the wheel for free-flying scrolling. tl;dr leaning towards this mouse.
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I know that you think that a cord will drag your mouse around and decrease your accuracy, but you'll find that the cord is barely heavy enough to feel and definitely not heavy enough to impede mouse movement. Plus the lower latency is pretty essential if you ever plan on playing a hitscan class.

For your price range, i'd recommend a Logitech G400s, a very good mouse with very few issues and a decent RMA policy if any arise. It also has a near-perfect optical sensor and is one of the cheaper mice to do so.

As a side note, DPI doesn't mean shit other than simply raw sensitivity. It doesn't control really anything other than onscreen sensitivity. Good mice don't necessarily have higher or lower DPI, it's really just sensitivity and nothing more.

I know that you think that a cord will drag your mouse around and decrease your accuracy, but you'll find that the cord is barely heavy enough to feel and definitely not heavy enough to impede mouse movement. Plus the lower latency is pretty essential if you ever plan on playing a hitscan class.

For your price range, i'd recommend a [url=http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104838]Logitech G400s[/url], a very good mouse with very few issues and a decent RMA policy if any arise. It also has a near-perfect optical sensor and is one of the cheaper mice to do so.

As a side note, DPI doesn't mean shit other than simply raw sensitivity. It doesn't control really anything other than onscreen sensitivity. Good mice don't necessarily have higher or lower DPI, it's really just sensitivity and nothing more.
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zowie evo ec1 might suit you
not wireless though cause wireless stinks :]

zowie evo ec1 might suit you
not wireless though cause wireless stinks :]
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http://i.imgur.com/LFrp5aH.jpg

[img]http://i.imgur.com/LFrp5aH.jpg[/img]
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@BuschmasterACR, I just said low latency wireless was a plus. It's certainly not necessary, and both of the mice I said I was looking at are wired. I also mentioned something about DPI; "separate from its 12000DPI which is absolutely absurd".

DPI is important to a certain degree. With things like 1600DPI, at certain resolutions, you actually do get pixel skipping, which is blatantly unacceptable. I play scout as my preferred class, I'm just playing medic for my teams because that's what they need. I've been doing fine on my current mouse, it's just starting to fail.

Finally, I think you missed some of my biggest requirements; palm grip, comfort, and a programmable thumb button. Seriously, the last one is actually incredibly important. Having a button I can completely rebind to F22 and hold down without changing my grip whatsoever is so great, because it won't interfere with any other programs like tab, tilde, and keys like Q or V do. I talk on TeamSpeak more often outside of the game than inside, so it's absolutely essential to have this kind of thing.

@JackyLegs, first of all, please please PLEASE hotlink to images like that instead of embedding them. Your post alone takes more than half the page because it's a vertical image. Second, I actually helped make that damn guide - it isn't even from /v/, it's actually from /g/, and /v/ just rebranded it. Third, it's incredibly outdated and a lot of big, well-reviewed mice have come out in the past year that have flawless sensors. Fourth, literally everything above "good" is ambidextrous, which I hate, short of the G400 which I never liked; I've owned one in the past and ended up just giving it to a friend.

@BuschmasterACR, I just said low latency wireless was a plus. It's certainly not necessary, and both of the mice I said I was looking at are wired. I also mentioned something about DPI; "separate from its 12000DPI which is absolutely absurd".

DPI is important to a certain degree. With things like 1600DPI, at certain resolutions, you actually do get pixel skipping, which is blatantly unacceptable. I play scout as my preferred class, I'm just playing medic for my teams because that's what they need. I've been doing fine on my current mouse, it's just starting to fail.

Finally, I think you missed some of my biggest requirements; palm grip, comfort, and a programmable thumb button. Seriously, the last one is actually incredibly important. Having a button I can completely rebind to F22 and hold down without changing my grip whatsoever is so great, because it won't interfere with any other programs like tab, tilde, and keys like Q or V do. I talk on TeamSpeak more often outside of the game than inside, so it's absolutely essential to have this kind of thing.

@JackyLegs, first of all, please please PLEASE hotlink to images like that instead of embedding them. Your post alone takes more than half the page because it's a vertical image. Second, I actually helped make that damn guide - it isn't even from /v/, it's actually from /g/, and /v/ just rebranded it. Third, it's incredibly outdated and a lot of big, well-reviewed mice have come out in the past year that have flawless sensors. Fourth, literally everything above "good" is ambidextrous, which I hate, short of the G400 which I never liked; I've owned one in the past and ended up just giving it to a friend.
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Well then why ask for our help if you know so much about mice

Well then why ask for our help if you know so much about mice
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WatskyWell then why ask for our help if you know so much about mice

I'm totally open to new suggestions to see if there are any mice I missed, and I also value all of your opinions as TF2 players; it just irks me when I have a specific requirement people skip over. It's like telling someone to go with an AMD GPU because they're performing better in the price/performance sector when they're looking for a card for a CUDA course in college.

[quote=Watsky]Well then why ask for our help if you know so much about mice[/quote]
I'm totally open to new suggestions to see if there are any mice I missed, and I also value all of your opinions as TF2 players; it just irks me when I have a specific requirement people skip over. It's like telling someone to go with an AMD GPU because they're performing better in the price/performance sector when they're looking for a card for a CUDA course in college.
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protip: when making analogies, don't assume that everyone understands the differences in parallel programming libraries

protip: when making analogies, don't assume that everyone understands the differences in parallel programming libraries
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PapaSmurf323protip: when making analogies, don't assume that everyone understands the differences in parallel programming libraries

Then I'll make another analogy; this is like telling someone to get a specific Craftsman wrench because they really like the grip and it's well reviewed, when you're trying to remove a Torx screw.

...That probably wasn't much better, was it?

[quote=PapaSmurf323]protip: when making analogies, don't assume that everyone understands the differences in parallel programming libraries[/quote]
Then I'll make another analogy; this is like telling someone to get a specific Craftsman wrench because they really like the grip and it's well reviewed, when you're trying to remove a Torx screw.

...That probably wasn't much better, was it?
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i have a g502 and its really good. the cable is pretty light although the mouse itself is kinda heavy for my taste but its not a biggie. ty for reading enjoy ur day

i have a g502 and its really good. the cable is pretty light although the mouse itself is kinda heavy for my taste but its not a biggie. ty for reading enjoy ur day
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I've got a Zowie FK and I guarantee you'll get your money's worth

I've got a Zowie FK and I guarantee you'll get your money's worth
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deathadder4lyfe

deathadder4lyfe
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i dont see the abyssus in #4's post... same sensor as deathadder, some just have issues with jitter.

i dont see the abyssus in #4's post... same sensor as deathadder, some just have issues with jitter.
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allei have a g502 and its really good. the cable is pretty light although the mouse itself is kinda heavy for my taste but its not a biggie. ty for reading enjoy ur day

Haven´t tried it but it looks the mouse to get if your hand feels comfortable with it. A sensor better than g400 and the bells and whistles from g500 in a package sounds pretty sweet to me.

Are you able to bind the 'sniper key' to whatever button you want? How is the placement of it in regards to the tip of your thumb? When moving the mouse sideways, do you find yourself accidentally hitting it? I´m currently owning the old version of g500 and I´m looking to upgrade. This one seems to be the only other decent mouse with three side buttons.

[quote=alle]i have a g502 and its really good. the cable is pretty light although the mouse itself is kinda heavy for my taste but its not a biggie. ty for reading enjoy ur day[/quote]

Haven´t tried it but it looks the mouse to get if your hand feels comfortable with it. A sensor better than g400 and the bells and whistles from g500 in a package sounds pretty sweet to me.

Are you able to bind the 'sniper key' to whatever button you want? How is the placement of it in regards to the tip of your thumb? When moving the mouse sideways, do you find yourself accidentally hitting it? I´m currently owning the old version of g500 and I´m looking to upgrade. This one seems to be the only other decent mouse with three side buttons.
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yttriumWireless preferred, but a very light cable is okay; I play medic, not scout, so a small wireless delay isn't bad.

lold

[quote=yttrium]Wireless preferred, but a very light cable is okay; I play medic, not scout, so a small wireless delay isn't bad.[/quote]

lold
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La_maisonHaven´t tried it but it looks the mouse to get if your hand feels comfortable with it. A sensor better than g400 and the bells and whistles from g500 in a package sounds pretty sweet to me.

Are you able to bind the 'sniper key' to whatever button you want? How is the placement of it in regards to the tip of your thumb? When moving the mouse sideways, do you find yourself accidentally hitting it? I´m currently owning the old version of g500 and I´m looking to upgrade. This one seems to be the only other decent mouse with three side buttons.

Apparently you're able to bind every key to whatever you want. They say there are 11 programmable keys stored in memory on the mouse itself. On the physical mouse, there are the forward/back (G7/G8), the sniper thumb, G5 and G4 above the sniper thumb, and a G9 below the scroll wheel release. Since that's only six, I assume the other 5 are LMB/RMB, scrollwheel left and right, and scrollwheel click (MMB).

Linus did a fantastic review of it over here that first set my eyes on this mouse.

[quote=La_maison]Haven´t tried it but it looks the mouse to get if your hand feels comfortable with it. A sensor better than g400 and the bells and whistles from g500 in a package sounds pretty sweet to me.

Are you able to bind the 'sniper key' to whatever button you want? How is the placement of it in regards to the tip of your thumb? When moving the mouse sideways, do you find yourself accidentally hitting it? I´m currently owning the old version of g500 and I´m looking to upgrade. This one seems to be the only other decent mouse with three side buttons.[/quote]
Apparently you're able to bind every key to whatever you want. They say there are 11 programmable keys stored in memory on the mouse itself. On the physical mouse, there are the forward/back (G7/G8), the sniper thumb, G5 and G4 above the sniper thumb, and a G9 below the scroll wheel release. Since that's only six, I assume the other 5 are LMB/RMB, scrollwheel left and right, and scrollwheel click (MMB).

Linus did a fantastic review of it [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl25wpMoEtY]over here[/url] that first set my eyes on this mouse.
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i got the steelseries rival (that new ss mouse that apparently has a decent sensor) and i really love it

edit: NEVERMIND it broke after less than a month, wouldn't recommend

i got the steelseries rival (that new ss mouse that apparently has a decent sensor) and i really love it

edit: NEVERMIND it broke after less than a month, wouldn't recommend
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Roccat has a thing called the titan wheel and its pretty good. Id go with the roccat kone.

Roccat has a thing called the titan wheel and its pretty good. Id go with the roccat kone.
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yttriumWatskyWell then why ask for our help if you know so much about miceI'm totally open to new suggestions to see if there are any mice I missed, and I also value all of your opinions as TF2 players; it just irks me when I have a specific requirement people skip over. It's like telling someone to go with an AMD GPU because they're performing better in the price/performance sector when they're looking for a card for a CUDA course in college.

Get a mouse that has buttons and moves across your desk and allows you to do the things. Sheep is "best scout in the world" and uses a G9x "Shit tier". I use a Steelseries Sensei RAW (also "shit tier")

go figure

While you're at it, get some Cashews of Chaos.

[quote=yttrium][quote=Watsky]Well then why ask for our help if you know so much about mice[/quote]
I'm totally open to new suggestions to see if there are any mice I missed, and I also value all of your opinions as TF2 players; it just irks me when I have a specific requirement people skip over. It's like telling someone to go with an AMD GPU because they're performing better in the price/performance sector when they're looking for a card for a CUDA course in college.[/quote]

Get a mouse that has buttons and moves across your desk and allows you to do the things. Sheep is "best scout in the world" and uses a G9x "Shit tier". I use a Steelseries Sensei RAW (also "shit tier")

go figure

While you're at it, get some Cashews of Chaos.
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yttriumWireless preferred, but a very light cable is okay; I play medic, not scout, so a small wireless delay isn't bad.

You should definitely use a wired mouse for medic. A wired mouse could mean the difference between popping and dropping an uber.

Even if you rebind attack1/attack2, a wired mouse would be best even for movement. Just because a medic won't be shooting a bunch of things doesn't mean that the medic won't need to move the mouse as quickly as possible to dodge other players.

But what do I know about mice you know everything apparently

[quote=yttrium]Wireless preferred, but a very light cable is okay; I play medic, not scout, so a small wireless delay isn't bad.[/quote]
You should definitely use a wired mouse for medic. A wired mouse could mean the difference between popping and dropping an uber.

Even if you rebind attack1/attack2, a wired mouse would be best even for movement. Just because a medic won't be shooting a bunch of things doesn't mean that the medic won't need to move the mouse as quickly as possible to dodge other players.

But what do I know about mice you know everything apparently
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La_maisonallei have a g502 and its really good. the cable is pretty light although the mouse itself is kinda heavy for my taste but its not a biggie. ty for reading enjoy ur day
Haven´t tried it but it looks the mouse to get if your hand feels comfortable with it. A sensor better than g400 and the bells and whistles from g500 in a package sounds pretty sweet to me.

Are you able to bind the 'sniper key' to whatever button you want? How is the placement of it in regards to the tip of your thumb? When moving the mouse sideways, do you find yourself accidentally hitting it? I´m currently owning the old version of g500 and I´m looking to upgrade. This one seems to be the only other decent mouse with three side buttons.

http://gyazo.com/3e76a073af22a267255c878b5e2111f7

[quote=La_maison][quote=alle]i have a g502 and its really good. the cable is pretty light although the mouse itself is kinda heavy for my taste but its not a biggie. ty for reading enjoy ur day[/quote]

Haven´t tried it but it looks the mouse to get if your hand feels comfortable with it. A sensor better than g400 and the bells and whistles from g500 in a package sounds pretty sweet to me.

Are you able to bind the 'sniper key' to whatever button you want? How is the placement of it in regards to the tip of your thumb? When moving the mouse sideways, do you find yourself accidentally hitting it? I´m currently owning the old version of g500 and I´m looking to upgrade. This one seems to be the only other decent mouse with three side buttons.[/quote]

http://gyazo.com/3e76a073af22a267255c878b5e2111f7
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http://mionix.net/products/naos-8200/

http://mionix.net/products/naos-8200/
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The Deathadder has the most comfortable design that I've ever used.

The Deathadder has the most comfortable design that I've ever used.
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JackyLegshttp://i.imgur.com/LFrp5aH.jpg

Show that image to anyone on ESR/OCN and they'll laugh at you.

[quote=JackyLegs][img]http://i.imgur.com/LFrp5aH.jpg[/img][/quote]
Show that image to anyone on ESR/OCN and they'll laugh at you.
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hookyYou should definitely use a wired mouse for medic. A wired mouse could mean the difference between popping and dropping an uber.

Even if you rebind attack1/attack2, a wired mouse would be best even for movement. Just because a medic won't be shooting a bunch of things doesn't mean that the medic won't need to move the mouse as quickly as possible to dodge other players.

I understand what you're saying regarding delays, and I'm not saying wireless mice don't have them. That's just something inherent; a wired mouse, in all logical situations, will have less latency than a wireless one. However, there are quite a few mice out there - not all, or even most for that matter - that actually have incredibly low latencies and still have the upsides of wireless. For example, my PMMX has a polling rate of 125MHz. This isn't too bad compared to most wireless mice, but it's still an 8ms input delay, versus the 1000MHz/1ms of most wired gaming mice. However, there are wireless mice like the G700 that have that same 1000MHz/1ms delay over wireless. Of course, the battery lasts nowhere near as long as the PMMX, but it has much better response times.

Either way, I'm leaning towards the G502, so this is irrelevant.

allei have a g502 and its really good. the cable is pretty light although the mouse itself is kinda heavy for my taste but its not a biggie. ty for reading enjoy ur day

Apparently, the mouse is 121g, and the mouse + cable is 168g (for the entire cable/usb header). For comparison, my PMMX is 147g (w/ AA battery). It honestly sounds great. How comfortable is it? Is the metallic scroll wheel bothersome/does your finger ever slip?

[quote=hooky]You should definitely use a wired mouse for medic. A wired mouse could mean the difference between popping and dropping an uber.

Even if you rebind attack1/attack2, a wired mouse would be best even for movement. Just because a medic won't be shooting a bunch of things doesn't mean that the medic won't need to move the mouse as quickly as possible to dodge other players.[/quote]
I understand what you're saying regarding delays, and I'm not saying wireless mice don't have them. That's just something inherent; a wired mouse, in all logical situations, will have less latency than a wireless one. However, there are quite a few mice out there - not all, or even most for that matter - that actually have incredibly low latencies and still have the upsides of wireless. For example, my PMMX has a polling rate of 125MHz. This isn't too bad compared to most wireless mice, but it's still an 8ms input delay, versus the 1000MHz/1ms of most wired gaming mice. However, there are wireless mice like the G700 that have that same 1000MHz/1ms delay over wireless. Of course, the battery lasts nowhere near as long as the PMMX, but it has much better response times.

Either way, I'm leaning towards the G502, so this is irrelevant.

[quote=alle]i have a g502 and its really good. the cable is pretty light although the mouse itself is kinda heavy for my taste but its not a biggie. ty for reading enjoy ur day[/quote]
Apparently, the mouse is 121g, and the mouse + cable is 168g (for the entire cable/usb header). For comparison, my PMMX is 147g (w/ AA battery). It honestly sounds great. How comfortable is it? Is the metallic scroll wheel bothersome/does your finger ever slip?
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I bought a SteelSeries Sensei off a shop sale a year ago. Not a single crash or problem with it, tracking is spot on, never jittered, lagged, no input delay or anything. Works like a mouse should work.

I used the Microsoft's IM for 11 years (same mouse) and it started breaking down, so I picked up the Sensei, since the ergonomics are pretty much the same.

If after 2 months of not even touching CS:GO i topscore at Eagle II in the first 3 games, then I don't know.

If I was to change the mouse anytime soon, I'd pick one of the Zowie mice though.

PROTIP: Doesn't matter what mouse you use, if you know how to use it properly. As long as it works properly, just pick the ergonomics accordingly to your grip.

inb4 getting crucified for liking Sensei

I bought a SteelSeries Sensei off a shop sale a year ago. Not a single crash or problem with it, tracking is spot on, never jittered, lagged, no input delay or anything. Works like a mouse should work.

I used the Microsoft's IM for 11 years (same mouse) and it started breaking down, so I picked up the Sensei, since the ergonomics are pretty much the same.

If after 2 months of not even touching CS:GO i topscore at Eagle II in the first 3 games, then I don't know.

If I was to change the mouse anytime soon, I'd pick one of the Zowie mice though.

[b]PROTIP[/b]: Doesn't matter what mouse you use, if you know how to use it properly. As long as it works properly, just pick the ergonomics accordingly to your grip.

inb4 getting crucified for liking Sensei
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yttriumhookyYou should definitely use a wired mouse for medic. A wired mouse could mean the difference between popping and dropping an uber.

Even if you rebind attack1/attack2, a wired mouse would be best even for movement. Just because a medic won't be shooting a bunch of things doesn't mean that the medic won't need to move the mouse as quickly as possible to dodge other players.
I understand what you're saying regarding delays, and I'm not saying wireless mice don't have them. That's just something inherent; a wired mouse, in all logical situations, will have less latency than a wireless one. However, there are quite a few mice out there - not all, or even most for that matter - that actually have incredibly low latencies and still have the upsides of wireless. For example, my PMMX has a polling rate of 125MHz. This isn't too bad compared to most wireless mice, but it's still an 8ms input delay, versus the 1000MHz/1ms of most wired gaming mice. However, there are wireless mice like the G700 that have that same 1000MHz/1ms delay over wireless. Of course, the battery lasts nowhere near as long as the PMMX, but it has much better response times.

Either way, I'm leaning towards the G502, so this is irrelevant.
allei have a g502 and its really good. the cable is pretty light although the mouse itself is kinda heavy for my taste but its not a biggie. ty for reading enjoy ur dayApparently, the mouse is 121g, and the mouse + cable is 168g (for the entire cable/usb header). For comparison, my PMMX is 147g (w/ AA battery). It honestly sounds great. How comfortable is it? Is the metallic scroll wheel bothersome/does your finger ever slip?

nah its fine, the only bad thing about the scroll wheel is that the scrollwheel left and right requires different pressure to be able to click it on both sides

[quote=yttrium][quote=hooky]You should definitely use a wired mouse for medic. A wired mouse could mean the difference between popping and dropping an uber.

Even if you rebind attack1/attack2, a wired mouse would be best even for movement. Just because a medic won't be shooting a bunch of things doesn't mean that the medic won't need to move the mouse as quickly as possible to dodge other players.[/quote]
I understand what you're saying regarding delays, and I'm not saying wireless mice don't have them. That's just something inherent; a wired mouse, in all logical situations, will have less latency than a wireless one. However, there are quite a few mice out there - not all, or even most for that matter - that actually have incredibly low latencies and still have the upsides of wireless. For example, my PMMX has a polling rate of 125MHz. This isn't too bad compared to most wireless mice, but it's still an 8ms input delay, versus the 1000MHz/1ms of most wired gaming mice. However, there are wireless mice like the G700 that have that same 1000MHz/1ms delay over wireless. Of course, the battery lasts nowhere near as long as the PMMX, but it has much better response times.

Either way, I'm leaning towards the G502, so this is irrelevant.

[quote=alle]i have a g502 and its really good. the cable is pretty light although the mouse itself is kinda heavy for my taste but its not a biggie. ty for reading enjoy ur day[/quote]
Apparently, the mouse is 121g, and the mouse + cable is 168g (for the entire cable/usb header). For comparison, my PMMX is 147g (w/ AA battery). It honestly sounds great. How comfortable is it? Is the metallic scroll wheel bothersome/does your finger ever slip?[/quote]

nah its fine, the only bad thing about the scroll wheel is that the scrollwheel left and right requires different pressure to be able to click it on both sides
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jakeowatyI bought a SteelSeries Sensei off a shop sale a year ago. Not a single crash or problem with it, tracking is spot on, never jittered, lagged, no input delay or anything. Works like a mouse should work.

I used the Microsoft's IM for 11 years (same mouse) and it started breaking down, so I picked up the Sensei, since the ergonomics are pretty much the same.

If after 2 months of not even touching CS:GO i topscore at Eagle II in the first 3 games, then I don't know.

If I was to change the mouse anytime soon, I'd pick one of the Zowie mice though.

PROTIP: Doesn't matter what mouse you use, if you know how to use it properly. As long as it works properly, just pick the ergonomics accordingly to your grip.

inb4 getting crucified for liking Sensei

Yea, describing it as a shit tier mouse is pretty dumb. I've had mine for 2 years and I've never had a single issue with it.

[quote=jakeowaty]I bought a SteelSeries Sensei off a shop sale a year ago. Not a single crash or problem with it, tracking is spot on, never jittered, lagged, no input delay or anything. Works like a mouse should work.

I used the Microsoft's IM for 11 years (same mouse) and it started breaking down, so I picked up the Sensei, since the ergonomics are pretty much the same.

If after 2 months of not even touching CS:GO i topscore at Eagle II in the first 3 games, then I don't know.

If I was to change the mouse anytime soon, I'd pick one of the Zowie mice though.

[b]PROTIP[/b]: Doesn't matter what mouse you use, if you know how to use it properly. As long as it works properly, just pick the ergonomics accordingly to your grip.

inb4 getting crucified for liking Sensei[/quote]
Yea, describing it as a shit tier mouse is pretty dumb. I've had mine for 2 years and I've never had a single issue with it.
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