Hey everyone,
About two months ago I built a new desktop. Prior to this, I'd been playing on a shitty laptop. At the time I did not get a monitor to go with it; instead I'm using a 22'' 1080p tv. This works fine and all, but it's not exactly the greatest thing to use as a monitor (if I recall correctly it was very cheap several years ago). Though calibrating and finetuning helped a little bit, it doesn't display colours too well, which can at times even make it difficult to distinguish red players from blue ones in TF2.
The main problem I have with it however is the lighting. My laptop displayed everything fine at any brightness setting, and visibility was a matter of how the light in the area was. With this thing, any dark colours have no hope of being displayed as anything other than black to begin with, yet even if I pull the brightness far, far down, beyond the point where nothing is actually readable, it still gives off way more light than my laptop screen did, which (again, depending on the light in the room) didn't seem like a light source at all.
I've been saving for a 120Hz monitor, but being a poor student my savings don't increase too rapidly. I'm generally a patient person so I wouldn't mind this too much, but this monitor (tv) is actually causing a significant amount of eye strain, even with all the tips concerning positioning, pauses etc, and using f.lux. After using it for an evening, the next day my eyes will look somewhat like this, if a bit less extreme. Though according to what I've found on the internet there is no scientific evidence this causes long-term damage, it still worries me, and aside from that it's uncomfortable and just looks freaky.
My question to you would be if you'd recommend to keep saving for a 120Hz monitor, or to get a cheaper 'normal' monitor for now. Or perhaps you have some incredible insight as to how to make this monitor not make my eyes resemble Voldemort's.
Either way I'm hoping you'll be able to give some advice on this.
Hey everyone,
About two months ago I built a new desktop. Prior to this, I'd been playing on a shitty laptop. At the time I did not get a monitor to go with it; instead I'm using a 22'' 1080p tv. This works fine and all, but it's not exactly the greatest thing to use as a monitor (if I recall correctly it was very cheap several years ago). Though calibrating and finetuning helped a little bit, it doesn't display colours too well, which can at times even make it difficult to distinguish red players from blue ones in TF2.
The main problem I have with it however is the lighting. My laptop displayed everything fine at any brightness setting, and visibility was a matter of how the light in the area was. With this thing, any dark colours have no hope of being displayed as anything other than black to begin with, yet even if I pull the brightness far, far down, beyond the point where nothing is actually readable, it still gives off way more light than my laptop screen did, which (again, depending on the light in the room) didn't seem like a light source at all.
I've been saving for a 120Hz monitor, but being a poor student my savings don't increase too rapidly. I'm generally a patient person so I wouldn't mind this too much, but this monitor (tv) is actually causing a significant amount of eye strain, even with all the tips concerning positioning, pauses etc, and using f.lux. After using it for an evening, the next day my eyes will look somewhat like [url=http://azzcatdesign.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/iStock_000004939276XSmall.jpg]this[/url], if a bit less extreme. Though according to what I've found on the internet there is no scientific evidence this causes long-term damage, it still worries me, and aside from that it's uncomfortable and just looks freaky.
My question to you would be if you'd recommend to keep saving for a 120Hz monitor, or to get a cheaper 'normal' monitor for now. Or perhaps you have some incredible insight as to how to make this monitor not make my eyes resemble Voldemort's.
Either way I'm hoping you'll be able to give some advice on this.
Wear sunglasses? Look more badass while you get frags
Wear sunglasses? Look more badass while you get frags
if your eyes are straining that bad from looking at a monitor you should definitely go outside
if your eyes are straining that bad from looking at a monitor you should definitely go outside
defy you should definitely go outside
whats that
[quote=defy] you should definitely go outside[/quote]
whats that
I know a lot of people will disagree with me but if you're really that desperate, you could go find a crt somewhere. Yes, I know it causes eyestrain too, but if you overclock it to maybe 80hz, which most will (although possibly slightly lower res). Anyways, try find one for the time being while you save up for a 120hz. If you can't find a temporary crt, there's second hand websites where I'm sure you can find one for 5 bucks. It'll take a lot of space but it'll give a good experience while being super cheap while you save up. It's also a thousand times better than a tv
I know a lot of people will disagree with me but if you're really that desperate, you could go find a crt somewhere. Yes, I know it causes eyestrain too, but if you overclock it to maybe 80hz, which most will (although possibly slightly lower res). Anyways, try find one for the time being while you save up for a 120hz. If you can't find a temporary crt, there's second hand websites where I'm sure you can find one for 5 bucks. It'll take a lot of space but it'll give a good experience while being super cheap while you save up. It's also a thousand times better than a tv
Hey everyone, thanks for your replies so far.
redrocket4Wear sunglasses? Look more badass while you get frags
That's actually an amazing suggestion, whether eye strain is an issue or not. I'll definitely be doing that :D
Tysroneget f.lux
I am currently already using f.lux, I think I may have mentioned it in my original post, apologies if I forgot. I like f.lux and it did help, but didn't fix it completely.
defyif your eyes are straining that bad from looking at a monitor you should definitely go outside
Considering this is a problem in the evenings (when the light of the environment is lower) I think that'll cause more health problems than it will solve.
tornados2111I know a lot of people will disagree with me but if you're really that desperate, you could go find a crt somewhere. Yes, I know it causes eyestrain too, but if you overclock it to maybe 80hz, which most will (although possibly slightly lower res). Anyways, try find one for the time being while you save up for a 120hz. If you can't find a temporary crt, there's second hand websites where I'm sure you can find one for 5 bucks. It'll take a lot of space but it'll give a good experience while being super cheap while you save up. It's also a thousand times better than a tv
I'll be looking into this: a cheap temporary solution while saving at the cost of some graphical fidelity seems like a pretty good idea, so I'll definitely check out some sites!
Hey everyone, thanks for your replies so far.
[quote=redrocket4]Wear sunglasses? Look more badass while you get frags[/quote]
That's actually an amazing suggestion, whether eye strain is an issue or not. I'll definitely be doing that :D
[quote=Tysrone]get f.lux[/quote]
I am currently already using f.lux, I think I may have mentioned it in my original post, apologies if I forgot. I like f.lux and it did help, but didn't fix it completely.
[quote=defy]if your eyes are straining that bad from looking at a monitor you should definitely go outside[/quote]
Considering this is a problem in the evenings (when the light of the environment is lower) I think that'll cause more health problems than it will solve.
[quote=tornados2111]I know a lot of people will disagree with me but if you're really that desperate, you could go find a crt somewhere. Yes, I know it causes eyestrain too, but if you overclock it to maybe 80hz, which most will (although possibly slightly lower res). Anyways, try find one for the time being while you save up for a 120hz. If you can't find a temporary crt, there's second hand websites where I'm sure you can find one for 5 bucks. It'll take a lot of space but it'll give a good experience while being super cheap while you save up. It's also a thousand times better than a tv[/quote]
I'll be looking into this: a cheap temporary solution while saving at the cost of some graphical fidelity seems like a pretty good idea, so I'll definitely check out some sites!
An LCD monitor in itself doesn't give eye strain, it's typically the brightness. There's a link somewhere that showed it was found that LCD monitors don't cause eye strain (whereas I think CRTs would).
One of the big things it could be is brightness. Toy around with that.
edit: found it
An LCD monitor in itself doesn't give eye strain, it's typically the brightness. There's a link somewhere that showed it was found that LCD monitors don't cause eye strain (whereas I think CRTs would).
One of the big things it could be is brightness. Toy around with that.
edit: [url=http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/12/do-e-readers-cause-eye-strain/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0]found it[/url]
make sure your room is well lit while playing. That will help you more than you may think.
Never play with the lights off.
make sure your room is well lit while playing. That will help you more than you may think.
Never play with the lights off.
WithADanceNumbermake sure your room is well lit while playing. That will help you more than you may think.
Never play with the lights off.
Or play with your lights off and wear sunglasses as #2 stated. You will look even better, and cooler.
[quote=WithADanceNumber]make sure your room is well lit while playing. That will help you more than you may think.
Never play with the lights off.[/quote]
Or play with your lights off and wear sunglasses as #2 stated. You will look even better, and cooler.
TheFragileAn LCD monitor in itself doesn't give eye strain, it's typically the brightness. There's a link somewhere that showed it was found that LCD monitors don't cause eye strain (whereas I think CRTs would).
One of the big things it could be is brightness. Toy around with that.
edit: found it
This is indeed the problem here. I'm already significantly below the brightness that would allow you to see the difference between dark colours; unfortunately if I go much lower with the brighness it will be pretty much be unusable in a lot of situations. This tv's brightness has a 0-100 scale, where 85 has the best colour display or whatever it's called. I'm currently on 43, which was the best balance between lowest brightness possible and best picture possible. However, even when I put it all the way down to 0, it still feels like looking into a light source, while my laptop didn't have this at all for example (provided I adjusted brightness based on the light of the environment).
WithADanceNumbermake sure your room is well lit while playing. That will help you more than you may think.
Never play with the lights off.
I definitely don't play with the lights off. I'll try finding ways to light my room better, though I'm not sure how much I can improve on. I could maybe try something with the 'distribution' of light since some areas of the room are darker than others.. it's tricky but I'll look into it.
[quote=TheFragile]An LCD monitor in itself doesn't give eye strain, it's typically the brightness. There's a link somewhere that showed it was found that LCD monitors don't cause eye strain (whereas I think CRTs would).
One of the big things it could be is brightness. Toy around with that.
edit: [url=http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/12/do-e-readers-cause-eye-strain/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0]found it[/url][/quote]
This is indeed the problem here. I'm already significantly below the brightness that would allow you to see the difference between dark colours; unfortunately if I go much lower with the brighness it will be pretty much be unusable in a lot of situations. This tv's brightness has a 0-100 scale, where 85 has the best colour display or whatever it's called. I'm currently on 43, which was the best balance between lowest brightness possible and best picture possible. However, even when I put it all the way down to 0, it still feels like looking into a light source, while my laptop didn't have this at all for example (provided I adjusted brightness based on the light of the environment).
[quote=WithADanceNumber]make sure your room is well lit while playing. That will help you more than you may think.
Never play with the lights off.[/quote]
I definitely don't play with the lights off. I'll try finding ways to light my room better, though I'm not sure how much I can improve on. I could maybe try something with the 'distribution' of light since some areas of the room are darker than others.. it's tricky but I'll look into it.
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You need to get Gunnar™ gaming glasses, a vital component to help you nab those extra frags.
http://shop.gunnars.com/gaming-eyewear/l/200
http://www.medicinenet.com/eye_strain/page3.htm#what_is_the_treatment_for_eye_strain
any specific way to help with the eye strain from the ASUS VG248QE? brightness at 0% helps but my eyes still hurt. lights are all on in my room as well.
any specific way to help with the eye strain from the ASUS VG248QE? brightness at 0% helps but my eyes still hurt. lights are all on in my room as well.
walked into discrete math yday someone had gunnars + league of legends tshirt on
walked into discrete math yday someone had gunnars + league of legends tshirt on
Gunnars do actually relieve eye strain (found through a study, it's on the wikipedia page), so if you want to go that route. just wait for a Gunnars sale on Woot, which happens about once a week.
2cwalked into discrete math yday someone had gunnars + league of legends tshirt on
hahahah, that's amazing.
Gunnars do actually relieve eye strain (found through a study, it's on the wikipedia page), so if you want to go that route. just wait for a Gunnars sale on [url=http://www.woot.com]Woot[/url], which happens about once a week.
[quote=2c]walked into discrete math yday someone had gunnars + league of legends tshirt on[/quote]
hahahah, that's amazing.
Check monitor height. Normally more linked with neck strain but if you are shifting that burden onto your eyes then it can be a cause.
Check monitor height. Normally more linked with neck strain but if you are shifting that burden onto your eyes then it can be a cause.
Honestly, if your eyes are still red the next day, it maybe something bigger than just being on your computer.
Honestly, if your eyes are still red the next day, it maybe something bigger than just being on your computer.
kaidusCheck monitor height. Normally more linked with neck strain but if you are shifting that burden onto your eyes then it can be a cause.
It's a good point, when searching for info on the subject pretty much every site I found recommended this. The monitor of my work's computer is too high, and after using it for a while it has more noticabe effects than you'd think: I'd recommend checking this to anyone, immediate eye/neck problems or no.
CuddlyKittenhttp://www.medicinenet.com/eye_strain/page3.htm#what_is_the_treatment_for_eye_strain
I think this might have been one of the sites I found when googling for information on this matter. I personally haven't found too many differences between before and after adjusting some habits based on sites like these, but maybe I'm just still doing it wrong. Despite that I'd say it's still good practice to adjust habits based on what these sites say (for example focusing on a distant physical object every so often).
FzeroHonestly, if your eyes are still red the next day, it maybe something bigger than just being on your computer.
It sounds stupid but I hadn't truly thought of this before. The problems started at about the same time ('about' meaning within a week) of me getting this new desktop, so I assumed this was causing the problems. That's correlation though, not necessarily causation. I already had an appointment with my GP tomorrow, I'll ask about this as well.
Again, thanks for all the replies so far people, I really appreciate that you're taking the time to help me out :)
[quote=kaidus]Check monitor height. Normally more linked with neck strain but if you are shifting that burden onto your eyes then it can be a cause.[/quote]
It's a good point, when searching for info on the subject pretty much every site I found recommended this. The monitor of my work's computer is too high, and after using it for a while it has more noticabe effects than you'd think: I'd recommend checking this to anyone, immediate eye/neck problems or no.
[quote=CuddlyKitten]http://www.medicinenet.com/eye_strain/page3.htm#what_is_the_treatment_for_eye_strain[/quote]
I think this might have been one of the sites I found when googling for information on this matter. I personally haven't found too many differences between before and after adjusting some habits based on sites like these, but maybe I'm just still doing it wrong. Despite that I'd say it's still good practice to adjust habits based on what these sites say (for example focusing on a distant physical object every so often).
[quote=Fzero]Honestly, if your eyes are still red the next day, it maybe something bigger than just being on your computer.[/quote]
It sounds stupid but I hadn't truly thought of this before. The problems started at about the same time ('about' meaning within a week) of me getting this new desktop, so I assumed this was causing the problems. That's correlation though, not necessarily causation. I already had an appointment with my GP tomorrow, I'll ask about this as well.
Again, thanks for all the replies so far people, I really appreciate that you're taking the time to help me out :)
eyes still hurting with the asus, everything is turned down.
would wearing sunglasses while playing be bad or good?
eyes still hurting with the asus, everything is turned down.
would wearing sunglasses while playing be bad or good?