And... that still happens with the black box??

are you deaf? are you blind?

the blackbox isnt an item like mad milk or bonk, which you have literally no indication of the player running that item. if you 1v1 a scout and he throws milk on you, thats fucking stupid. you have no chance to take that item into account when fighting them. the blackbox has a very distinct sound and look. its pretty obvious when someone is running it.

direct hit should be banned because it lets you win 1v1s you usually wouldn't win and while we're at it lets also ban crossbow too much range on a medic esea please ban it

you are a better soldier if you know you do better with BB and you choose it over your other options and don't honor code yourself because you perceive weapons as stupid

not in all situations, there are situations when the only reason you're alive is because you were running bb, you said it yourself

@Lunacide, you cannot tell me that you you will have some kind of indication that someone is running bb at all times. there will be instances where there are no indications and you may lose simply because the other guy was running bb.

there are situations where teams are surprised by kritzkrieg, which is 100 times more game changing than a pick on a roamer that wasn't deserved.

being surprised by something isn't inherently a bad thing

fox only final destination

everything else is slow, random, and not competitive

in that case you put yourself in an advantageous situation and one that your opponents can't easily adapt too, thus you outplayed them

if there are no indications that means the soldier has his primary holstered which puts him at a disadvantage immediately

i agree, being able to deceive your enemy is a very important part of the game. all im saying is in a fair fight, one should not win simply because of an unlock or chance.

So then you're saying that kritz shouldn't be allowed either?

No; if you'd like to know more about my stance on unlocks read this post.

the only completely fair fight in tf2 is in ammomod

hooli I'm genuinely curious to know your stance on gunboats.

If you say they have a place in 6v6 TF2: Don't they allow a roamer to escape a situation where he should have died? Don't they give a player who misses his shots a second chance by allowing him to run from a fight he would normally be committed to?

i'm not saying tf2 should be a completely fair fight at all times. i'm saying when the circumstances are the same; the better player(s) should end up on top. there is a very clear distinction.

"Better" and "should" Are very subjective terms... I don't see any distinction at all. What if I think the better player is the better player because he chose an unlock for that specific circumstance?

Yes; gunboats do allow you to escape bad situations, in the same way blackbox allows you to escape bad situations. The two unlocks both enable you to escape danger but they accomplish that in very different ways. The gunboats grant you great mobility; this allows you to able to move from point A to point B at great speeds. Being able to move around with great efficiency significantly increases the fluidity of the game; being able to quickly get in/out, being able to jump at a moments notice to support a teammate. That is something no other class or unlock can do as effectively as a gunboats roamer. When I think of a good gunboats roamer I think of an annoying bird that is flying around constantly pestering you and is always just out of reach.

Now the blackbox also enables you to get out of bad situations, but through the method of increased survivability rather than mobility. This encourages a slower more methodical play style that can delay the enemy team, which of course can be greatly effective, but in turn slows down the flow of the game.

So in conclusion mobility improves the flow of the game and gunboats provides a kind of mobility that no other class can do.

I'm stating my opinion, we've been over this. Did I ever claim my opinion was objective?