Glitches are bound to be fixed and thus do not really increase the viability of an item in comp. Also, even with that glitch guaranteed to work, I would still prefer the stick over the gardener in comp I think.

Also, who told you that people here hate Star_?

Interesting.

Crusader's Crossbow isn't supposed to be able to heal Soldiers with the Escape Plan out, but it still does, and this "glitch" is still used. Might as well use it while it still exists. I also never said that the Market Gardener should or can replace the Escape Plan entirely, it just increases the viability of the MG.

And to answer your second question: Have you ever watched any competitive stream and paid any attention to stream chat?

Sure why would I not use the crossbow glitch if I used the crossbow and the soldier used the EP before? I'm saying that I still don't see the MG being really useful in comp over the stick.

You mean the chat that goes

Yep, that's surely an accurate representation of the opinions of the competitive team fortess 2 community

1. The crossbow glitch was removed

2. This would require patching the entire physics of the source engine.

3. People dislike people who think STAR_ is the best scout in the world when he is a decent IM scout at best.

4. You are all 14 year old virgins grow up.

-40 frags success.

so edgy omg

hes more like high open from what I've seen.

You can chain around 10-20 perfect jumps by using a bhop script (requires autohotkey), but it is somewhat inconsistent.

Even most pubbers will probably be able to shoot you while you try to hopscotch your way towards them, though, so it's hardly any more viable than before.

It's very inconsistent. I've tried macros, and because of the way tf2/source works, you have to set the delay between inputs to be just perfect, if it's too fast none of them will reg, if it's too slow it won't work.

The bug itself is the same as the edgebug that is used in trickjumping, and why sometimes if you're doing a pogo in a jump map you can hit the ground and do a speedshot unintentionally, even if you should get teleported back.

My guess is that it's related to the game doing physics collision checks, and any status-based modifiers which derive from collision are done after, and valve counted on them happening on the same game tick.

The timing of this is actually really easy, but then again I use mouse wheel for jump too.

what? interesting

i love star

scouts knives

This is really old, and really useless. MG is already viable, people just don't know how to use it. It reqires NOT jumping straight at a person and instead tricking people into thinking you're jumping at them but instead you're jumping for something else.

For example, jump the combo, shoot rockets at the pocket, medic is running in another direction, instead of continuing to shoot rockets at the combo, pull out your market gardener, change directions and market garden the medic.

DID YOU EVEN SEE THE LAN CHAT?

I WOULD LIKE TO POTENTIALLY DISCUSS THE GAME WITH OTHER SPECTATORS BUT IT IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT WHEN YOU HAVE TO SLOG THROUGH 80 LINES OF LITERAL SHIT EVERY SECOND.

i liked your stream a lot better than the official one most of the time

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say you don't play medic or soldier because nothing changed

I thought people already knew this before yesterday?

That's cool.

vote bhop 2014

Being a jumper, I've known this for a long long time. Thought it was common knowledge tbh.

It probably will never be patched because of how the source engine works

they have patched things like this before

like *cough* the fact that jumping at all now makes your speed 120% its base at maximum so that you can't bunnyhop into forever

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bind mwheelup +jump
bind mwheeldown +jump

Deep is probably laughing maniacally behind his monitor

Thief to destroy noobs even harder in lobbies now.

this is a good thread for the sole reason that people are going out of their way to find new uses for unlockable weapons. gabe newell said it himself, the community might as well start exploring new metagame options through game changing unlocks...

This is actually pretty hard to do unless you bind jump to mwheel of course

Even with mouse wheel its still pretty inconsistent.

just wanted to say I'm 99% sure STAR is this guy: http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/radio/news/story?page=BIO_RobinLundberg

judge for yourself:

lundberg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FJImHM4ZaY
STAR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkX_tbzsk4s

Lunderg: NYsports radiohost for ESPN
STAR: Has NY TF2 server (no one has a NY tf2 server)

Lundberg: has a voice
STAR: has that same voice

NEED I SAY MORE?!