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Advice for a Editing/Tf2 rig
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I've pretty much decided on getting a 3770k (for the extra speed in video editing/possible streaming/multitasking), but I'm not sure which cpu coolers, ram, mobos are good. I have around $1000, but could spend a bit more or less if it's worth it/not worth it.

Already have windows 7 and peripherals, I'd like to overclock as much as I can, not sure which cooler would be good (noctua dh14? hyper 212? possibly h80 or water cooling).

Edit: How do the haswell chips compare? Ie 4770k vs 3770k, is it worth the extra?

l0l ok this is for playing TF2 and for video editing (non tf2).

I've pretty much decided on getting a 3770k (for the extra speed in video editing/possible streaming/multitasking), but I'm not sure which cpu coolers, ram, mobos are good. I have around $1000, but could spend a bit more or less if it's worth it/not worth it.

Already have windows 7 and peripherals, I'd like to overclock as much as I can, not sure which cooler would be good (noctua dh14? hyper 212? possibly h80 or water cooling).

Edit: How do the haswell chips compare? Ie 4770k vs 3770k, is it worth the extra?

l0l ok this is for playing TF2 and for video editing (non tf2).
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Learn how to edit before you blow money on your computer specifically for video editing. You're probably only going to need upgrades for rendering anyway.

Learn how to edit before you blow money on your computer specifically for video editing. You're probably only going to need upgrades for rendering anyway.
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ikpureLearn how to edit before you blow money on your computer specifically for video editing. You're probably only going to need upgrades for rendering anyway.

It's not for tf2 editing...

[quote=ikpure]Learn how to edit before you blow money on your computer specifically for video editing. You're probably only going to need upgrades for rendering anyway.[/quote]
It's not for tf2 editing...
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i7 hyperthreading is good for rendering afaik but can cause some stuttering issues with tf2.

i7 hyperthreading is good for rendering afaik but can cause some stuttering issues with tf2.
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the corsair h series is awesome. get that cooler.

the corsair h series is awesome. get that cooler.
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bearodactylikpureLearn how to edit before you blow money on your computer specifically for video editing. You're probably only going to need upgrades for rendering anyway.It's not for tf2 editing...

I have no idea what you're saying in your OP then.

You say it's for an editing rig, and ikpure is right. While learning to edit, I've had to buy an H100i to overclock my 3770k as well as buy a new GPU with CUDA support because otherwise I spent forever waiting for shit to render (and I could barely even touch ray-traced 3D)

As for the CPUs themselves, the 4770k is worth the extra as it's a tock.

[quote=bearodactyl][quote=ikpure]Learn how to edit before you blow money on your computer specifically for video editing. You're probably only going to need upgrades for rendering anyway.[/quote]
It's not for tf2 editing...[/quote]
I have no idea what you're saying in your OP then.

You say it's for an editing rig, and ikpure is right. While learning to edit, I've had to buy an H100i to overclock my 3770k as well as buy a new GPU with CUDA support because otherwise I spent forever waiting for shit to render (and I could barely even touch ray-traced 3D)

As for the CPUs themselves, the 4770k is worth the extra as it's a tock.
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Question, what kind of equipment would i need to work with lossless 1080p video in vegas without lag?

Question, what kind of equipment would i need to work with lossless 1080p video in vegas without lag?
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How does the 4770k compare to the 3770k when they're both overclocked? Stupidly phrased op, didn't occur to me that people would assume its for tf2 editing lol. I remember hearing that adobe was going to come out with a new version of premiere pro and ae that supports AMD's gpus and openCL instead of cuda (actually http://blogs.adobe.com/premierepro/2013/05/improved-gpu-support-in-adobe-premiere-pro-cc.html). Does Tf2 favor one side (amd vs nvidia) as far as gpus?

Think it depends on what you define as lossless (bitrate and such) @7

How does the 4770k compare to the 3770k when they're both overclocked? Stupidly phrased op, didn't occur to me that people would assume its for tf2 editing lol. I remember hearing that adobe was going to come out with a new version of premiere pro and ae that supports AMD's gpus and openCL instead of cuda (actually http://blogs.adobe.com/premierepro/2013/05/improved-gpu-support-in-adobe-premiere-pro-cc.html). Does Tf2 favor one side (amd vs nvidia) as far as gpus?

Think it depends on what you define as lossless (bitrate and such) @7
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You're better off with the haswell over the ivy bridge because of the newer instruction sets that x264 utilizes. (I can't find the changelogs)

-Lots of disks. Especially if it's important stuff. 3x 1tb drives over 1x 3tb drive.
-Motherboard, don't care.
-case, doesn't matter.
-sound card, depends. Do you need ASIO (low latency recording/playback)? Higher fidelity audio?
-Ram, enough. 8/16/32, more just means you can be running non productive stuff while working on stuff.

-GPU, OpenCL/Cuda only for effects and decoding. Encoding quality with GPU accelerated encoders aren't as good as non-accelearted ones.

As for tf2. Nvidia's newer driver causes flashing DX9.

You're better off with the haswell over the ivy bridge because of the newer instruction sets that x264 utilizes. (I can't find the changelogs)

-Lots of disks. Especially if it's important stuff. 3x 1tb drives over 1x 3tb drive.
-Motherboard, don't care.
-case, doesn't matter.
-sound card, depends. Do you need ASIO (low latency recording/playback)? Higher fidelity audio?
-Ram, enough. 8/16/32, more just means you can be running non productive stuff while working on stuff.

-GPU, OpenCL/Cuda only for effects and decoding. Encoding quality with GPU accelerated encoders aren't as good as non-accelearted ones.


As for tf2. Nvidia's newer driver causes flashing DX9.
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Don't need the ASIO, but I'd like pretty decent quality. Was thinking about the xonar dg and then possibly upgrading in the future if needed

Don't need the ASIO, but I'd like pretty decent quality. Was thinking about the xonar dg and then possibly upgrading in the future if needed
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bearodactyldidn't occur to me that people would assume its for tf2 editing lol.

I have zero idea what this means. Editing is editing. Sometimes you can edit videos which happen to be from TF2, but that still falls under the realm of editing.

[quote=bearodactyl]didn't occur to me that people would assume its for tf2 editing lol.[/quote]
I have zero idea what this means. Editing is editing. Sometimes you can edit videos which happen to be from TF2, but that still falls under the realm of editing.
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RawrSpoonbearodactyldidn't occur to me that people would assume its for tf2 editing lol.I have zero idea what this means. Editing is editing. Sometimes you can edit videos which happen to be from TF2, but that still falls under the realm of editing.

I assume it was mostly an assumption, and since he isn't a well-known tf2 editor he shouldn't upgrade for editing tf2. However since it's editing something other than tf2 it's pretty hard for anyone else to judge from what he know.

On the other hand, if someone wants a rig that's good for video editing aswell, who are we to tell them not to do it, regardless of how good an editor they are.

[quote=RawrSpoon][quote=bearodactyl]didn't occur to me that people would assume its for tf2 editing lol.[/quote]
I have zero idea what this means. Editing is editing. Sometimes you can edit videos which happen to be from TF2, but that still falls under the realm of editing.[/quote]

I assume it was mostly an assumption, and since he isn't a well-known tf2 editor he shouldn't upgrade for editing tf2. However since it's editing something other than tf2 it's pretty hard for anyone else to judge from what he know.

On the other hand, if someone wants a rig that's good for video editing aswell, who are we to tell them not to do it, regardless of how good an editor they are.
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You usually just need a lot of HDD space (1TB or higher is good for high quality videos), enough RAM, a quad core or higher (highly recommended for less render times) and whatever parts to complement those parts.

You usually just need a lot of HDD space (1TB or higher is good for high quality videos), enough RAM, a quad core or higher (highly recommended for less render times) and whatever parts to complement those parts.
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Watercooling your CPU and GPU is never a bad idea. Start there. If you are overclocking and don't want lame scores that is. There's a lot of cheap full-range kits out there.

Watercooling your CPU and GPU is never a bad idea. Start there. If you are overclocking and don't want lame scores that is. There's a lot of cheap full-range kits out there.
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As far as water cooling goes, would something like a h80i or h100i work fine? Or would a custom loop be better?

As far as water cooling goes, would something like a h80i or h100i work fine? Or would a custom loop be better?
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bettyWatercooling your CPU and GPU is never a bad idea. Start there. If you are overclocking and don't want lame scores that is. There's a lot of cheap full-range kits out there.

Watercooling is definitely a bad idea. It is really expensive, very complex, and in most cases does not give enough of a benefit to justify doing it. Not to mention that you have to clean it, and the coolant can spill everywhere and make a huge mess. Air cooling is more than adequate for all but the most hardcore hardware nerds. If you want to spend several hundred dollars on a full custom loop for cooling, yes you'll get better performance than air cooling. If you have any semblance of a budget, though, don't watercool. Imitations like the H80 don't make your CPU much cooler than a CM 212, which is only $30. Nobody short-circuits their motherboard because of an air leak.

[quote=betty]Watercooling your CPU and GPU is never a bad idea. Start there. If you are overclocking and don't want lame scores that is. There's a lot of cheap full-range kits out there.[/quote]

Watercooling is definitely a bad idea. It is really expensive, very complex, and in most cases does not give enough of a benefit to justify doing it. Not to mention that you have to clean it, and the coolant can spill everywhere and make a huge mess. Air cooling is more than adequate for all but the most hardcore hardware nerds. If you want to spend several hundred dollars on a full custom loop for cooling, yes you'll get better performance than air cooling. If you have any semblance of a budget, though, don't watercool. Imitations like the H80 don't make your CPU much cooler than a CM 212, which is only $30. Nobody short-circuits their motherboard because of an air leak.
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Alright haha, then what air cooler should I get?

Alright haha, then what air cooler should I get?
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bearodactylAlright haha, then what air cooler should I get?

Depends on budget. Check out http://www.logicalincrements.com/ there's a column for heatsink fans.

[quote=bearodactyl]Alright haha, then what air cooler should I get?[/quote]
Depends on budget. Check out http://www.logicalincrements.com/ there's a column for heatsink fans.
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Watercooling isn't a bad idea. I rather enjoy having a system that is essentially silent under 100% load, at close to 5ghz. It's just not budget-conscious. A good WC loop will easily add $350-500 to your build.

Watercooling isn't a bad idea. I rather enjoy having a system that is essentially silent under 100% load, at close to 5ghz. It's just not budget-conscious. A good WC loop will easily add $350-500 to your build.
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Would it be a good idea to get say a gtx770, or wait until october (or whenever) for the new generation is coming out?

Would it be a good idea to get say a gtx770, or wait until october (or whenever) for the new generation is coming out?
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770 is pretty new, and I've always preferred Nvidia cards due to better linux support, but the new AMD line (9000 series) is coming out Q3/Q4 IIRC, so if you have a working computer right now it might be worth it to wait a bit and see. On the other hand, something better will always be coming out, so it's up to you on whether or not to build now or wait.

770 is pretty new, and I've always preferred Nvidia cards due to better linux support, but the new AMD line (9000 series) is coming out Q3/Q4 IIRC, so if you have a working computer right now it might be worth it to wait a bit and see. On the other hand, something better will always be coming out, so it's up to you on whether or not to build now or wait.
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bump

bump
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At first glance I thought this said advice for eating a tf2 rig

At first glance I thought this said advice for eating a tf2 rig
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boil it in some water, put in some sunflower oil (for your health), and make sure to add some extra spices to that intel cpu for the extra kick

boil it in some water, put in some sunflower oil (for your health), and make sure to add some extra spices to that intel cpu for the extra kick
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hooliQuestion, what kind of equipment would i need to work with lossless 1080p video in vegas without lag?

Something that costs the same as a sizeable American home. Seriously. If you're doing 1080p loseless stop using Vegas. Vegas is designed for videographers (people who film weddings and shit) to stitch stuff together. What some of you frag movie makers are doing with it makes me cringe at how much some of you bend over backwards to make it do what you want.

thrasherthe corsair h series is awesome. get that cooler.

No they're not. They're awful. If you're willing to spend that much money on a cooler, you can buy the absolute best air heatsink on earth, fit it with 1 or 2 real quality 120/140mm fans, and actually end up with better performance for half the price. I'd have to google to check what's up these days, but bassically anything made by Thermalright or Noctua is the shit.

RawrSpoonbearodactyldidn't occur to me that people would assume its for tf2 editing lol.I have zero idea what this means. Editing is editing. Sometimes you can edit videos which happen to be from TF2, but that still falls under the realm of editing.

Nah don't worry about it man. Editing TF2 is actually much higher on requirements than your typical run of the mill editing, specifically on disk I/O since the resolutions/frame rates being used are much higher than what any camera less than $3k will put out. I mean obviously once you get into doing hollywood level stuff it's not such a concern because you have fully integrated solutions like the Avid DNA ecosystem, and quite frankly, you're making so much money that you're not too concerned about how much it costs much in the same way a good builder doesn't complain about the cost of a good drill.

[quote=hooli]Question, what kind of equipment would i need to work with lossless 1080p video in vegas without lag?[/quote]

Something that costs the same as a sizeable American home. Seriously. If you're doing 1080p loseless stop using Vegas. Vegas is designed for videographers (people who film weddings and shit) to stitch stuff together. What some of you frag movie makers are doing with it makes me cringe at how much some of you bend over backwards to make it do what you want.

[quote=thrasher]the corsair h series is awesome. get that cooler.[/quote]

No they're not. They're awful. If you're willing to spend that much money on a cooler, you can buy the absolute best air heatsink on earth, fit it with 1 or 2 real quality 120/140mm fans, and actually end up with better performance for half the price. I'd have to google to check what's up these days, but bassically anything made by Thermalright or Noctua is the shit.

[quote=RawrSpoon][quote=bearodactyl]didn't occur to me that people would assume its for tf2 editing lol.[/quote]
I have zero idea what this means. Editing is editing. Sometimes you can edit videos which happen to be from TF2, but that still falls under the realm of editing.[/quote]

Nah don't worry about it man. Editing TF2 is actually much higher on requirements than your typical run of the mill editing, specifically on disk I/O since the resolutions/frame rates being used are much higher than what any camera less than $3k will put out. I mean obviously once you get into doing hollywood level stuff it's not such a concern because you have fully integrated solutions like the Avid DNA ecosystem, and quite frankly, you're making so much money that you're not too concerned about how much it costs much in the same way a good builder doesn't complain about the cost of a good drill.
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Thanks for the help guys. Just put it together today and its great. My one question though, is how I would go about overclocking the 4770k?
I also tried overclocking the gpu (msi 760) in msi afterburner but for some reason it was just blank

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Also tried the normal version, but the different guides/reviews that overclocked it used the beta. Probably supports newer gpus or something

http://puu.sh/3RI8N.jpg

Thanks for the help guys. Just put it together today and its great. My one question though, is how I would go about overclocking the 4770k?
I also tried overclocking the gpu (msi 760) in msi afterburner but for some reason it was just blank
[spoiler]Also tried the normal version, but the different guides/reviews that overclocked it used the beta. Probably supports newer gpus or something[img]http://puu.sh/3RI8N.jpg[/img][/spoiler]
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Make sure you get a GPU with a decent amount of CUDA cores

Make sure you get a GPU with a decent amount of CUDA cores
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