*who are permanently banned
As soon as someone gets permanently banned I really believe we need to both remove them from all competitive circles AND within reasonable time stop talking about them.
Continuing to talk about pedophiles / rapists / groomers is really dangerous, since almost all the reports are kept private for a reason. The last thing anyone wants is for the victims to be put into more danger by the creeps, and talking about them publicly is the best way to do this. Don't give them attention, for gods sake don't post about what they have done, just let them be forgotten.
Feels like at some point there just needs to be a rule about this. We've already seen previous creeps go after / publicly harass their victims because of this.
*who are permanently banned
As soon as someone gets permanently banned I really believe we need to both remove them from all competitive circles AND within reasonable time stop talking about them.
Continuing to talk about pedophiles / rapists / groomers is really dangerous, since almost all the reports are kept private for a reason. The last thing anyone wants is for the victims to be put into more danger by the creeps, and talking about them publicly is the best way to do this. Don't give them attention, for gods sake don't post about what they have done, just let them be forgotten.
Feels like at some point there just needs to be a rule about this. We've already seen previous creeps go after / publicly harass their victims because of this.
I agree 100%- as someone who was legitimately groomed when I was a young teen, even to the point of almost meeting this person; It's a gut wrenching feeling to see the offender even brought up, let alone still active in parts of a community you enjoy being apart of.
My experience is outside of tf2, so I can at least avoid this person, I cant imagine wanting to play Tf2 only to have these horrible feelings and person constantly shoved in your face like you weren't hurt by them.
I agree 100%- as someone who was legitimately groomed when I was a young teen, even to the point of almost meeting this person; It's a gut wrenching feeling to see the offender even brought up, let alone still active in parts of a community you enjoy being apart of.
My experience is outside of tf2, so I can at least avoid this person, I cant imagine wanting to play Tf2 only to have these horrible feelings and person constantly shoved in your face like you weren't hurt by them.
didn't you make this thread...
didn't you make this [url=https://www.teamfortress.tv/63386/]thread[/url]...
How do you stop talking about pedos while also making sure people never forget they're pedos so they don't go after newer members of competitive that aren't aware of their reputation?
How do you stop talking about pedos while also making sure people never forget they're pedos so they don't go after newer members of competitive that aren't aware of their reputation?
ElenaManettaHow do you stop talking about pedos while also making sure people never forget they're pedos so they don't go after newer members of competitive that aren't aware of their reputation?
RGL already decided to hide that information from ban reasons for some reason and I doubt new players are checking tftv
[quote=ElenaManetta]How do you stop talking about pedos while also making sure people never forget they're pedos so they don't go after newer members of competitive that aren't aware of their reputation?[/quote]
RGL already decided to hide that information from ban reasons for some reason and I doubt new players are checking tftv
ElenaManettaHow do you stop talking about pedos while also making sure people never forget they're pedos so they don't go after newer members of competitive that aren't aware of their reputation?
You can't.
From my perspective (joined S11), RGL does not give a shit about helping new players be aware of these active dangers. I assume it's because you're supposed to solely play RGL pugs (which are mostly HL and probably aren't good for new players) because what you do outside of the league is Not Their Problem.
Serveme doesn't care either: Nursey, whose 90% of logs are on serveme servers, is not banned from the service.
The "representatives of the league" don't care either: A few (many? idek) of them are still friends with Nursey, including b4nny. Some of them even pug with Nursey.
So when your "community" league, your main provider of servers, and your influential high level players (including the public face of competitive TF2) all feel it is Not Their Problem, it has to become our problem, because Nursey is still active in competitive circles.
(I don't know how far these three groups should go towards taking action on this issue, but it's clear so far that it is and will be nothing.)
[quote=ElenaManetta]How do you stop talking about pedos while also making sure people never forget they're pedos so they don't go after newer members of competitive that aren't aware of their reputation?[/quote]
You can't.
From my perspective (joined S11), RGL does not give a shit about helping new players be aware of these active dangers. I assume it's because you're supposed to solely play RGL pugs (which are mostly HL and probably aren't good for new players) because what you do outside of the league is Not Their Problem.
Serveme doesn't care either: Nursey, whose 90% of logs are on serveme servers, is not banned from the service.
The [url=https://docs.rgl.gg/rules/global/1002/?h=invite#1002_4-higher-standards-for-invite-players-and-rgl-staff]"representatives of the league"[/url] don't care either: A few (many? idek) of them are still friends with Nursey, including b4nny. Some of them even [url=https://logs.tf/3451813#76561198061560390]pug with Nursey[/url].
So when your "community" league, your main provider of servers, and your influential high level players (including the public face of competitive TF2) all feel it is Not Their Problem, it [b]has[/b] to become our problem, because Nursey is still active in competitive circles.
(I don't know how far these three groups should go towards taking action on this issue, but it's clear so far that it is and will be nothing.)
czarchasmSome of them even pug with Nursey.
These people should 100% get a temp ban like Kev got a ban for pugscrimming with alfa
[quote=czarchasm]Some of them even [url=https://logs.tf/3451813#76561198061560390]pug with Nursey[/url].
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These people should 100% get a temp ban like Kev got a ban for pugscrimming with alfa
banning della for pugging with nursey would be very funny
banning della for pugging with nursey would be very funny