LKincheloeIt's not dumb, it's Economy 101. It's how much value you perceive a product to be, for some a virtual hat is worth $200, to others it could be completely worthless.
No matter what anyone thinks the value of the hat is, the person who owns the hat gets to decide how much they want to sell it for. Even if you think it's only worth $10, you don't get to have it for $10.
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It's not dumb, it's Economy 101. It's how much value you perceive a product to be, for some a virtual hat is worth $200, to others it could be completely worthless.[/quote]
No matter what anyone thinks the value of the hat is, the person who owns the hat gets to decide how much they want to sell it for. Even if you think it's only worth $10, you don't get to have it for $10.
Do what I did. Sell all your good unusuals to Fog for a slightly reduced rate. Guaranteed to never get scammed or have to deal with crap like this. Plus Fog is a great guy who deserves whatever he profits out of it. And i'm sure he's always up for the deal as long as he has the funds.
Do what I did. Sell all your good unusuals to Fog for a slightly reduced rate. Guaranteed to never get scammed or have to deal with crap like this. Plus Fog is a great guy who deserves whatever he profits out of it. And i'm sure he's always up for the deal as long as he has the funds.
blinKDo what I did. Sell all your good unusuals to Fog for a slightly reduced rate. Guaranteed to never get scammed or have to deal with crap like this. Plus Fog is a great guy who deserves whatever he profits out of it. And i'm sure he's always up for the deal as long as he has the funds.
This is what ended up happening, I bought it mainly because of the donation to tip of the hat that would come from my purchase
[quote=blinK]Do what I did. Sell all your good unusuals to Fog for a slightly reduced rate. Guaranteed to never get scammed or have to deal with crap like this. Plus Fog is a great guy who deserves whatever he profits out of it. And i'm sure he's always up for the deal as long as he has the funds.[/quote]
This is what ended up happening, I bought it mainly because of the donation to tip of the hat that would come from my purchase
It's wrong to say that this isn't real theft because there was no legal agreement or because virtual hats have no value.
In the first case: Scamming someone via the "Nigerian Prince Email Scam" or scamming via Craigslist are both illegal. No actual signed or legal document/agreement was created, but verbal agreement (email) does constitute sufficient legal proof. No one is going to go to court for 200 bucks, but that does not make it legal.
In the second place:
a) The value of EVERYTHING is subjective. What if I think your computer is worth a nickel? What if I think that my taking it off your hands is actually worth more than the computer? Can I walk up and steal your laptop because this is how I value it? In transactions, both parties must agree. I can value a rock at 50 billion USD, but that doesn't mean I can give someone my rock and then steal everything they own.
b) Virtual items in tf2 have proven to be a fairly reliable source of value. Some people in the community suspect that some Russian hackers use tf2 to abuse stolen credit cards, buy as many keys as they can, and then re-sell the keys for paypal. This effectively launders the money for the credit card thieves. The tf2 economy is estimated to be over 50 million USD each year. That's 50,000,000 reasons each year that these items have real, reliable, and easily monetizable value.
It's wrong to say that this isn't real theft because there was no legal agreement or because virtual hats have no value.
In the first case: Scamming someone via the "Nigerian Prince Email Scam" or scamming via Craigslist are both illegal. No actual signed or legal document/agreement was created, but verbal agreement (email) does constitute sufficient legal proof. No one is going to go to court for 200 bucks, but that does not make it legal.
In the second place:
a) The value of EVERYTHING is subjective. What if I think your computer is worth a nickel? What if I think that my taking it off your hands is actually worth more than the computer? Can I walk up and steal your laptop because this is how I value it? In transactions, both parties must agree. I can value a rock at 50 billion USD, but that doesn't mean I can give someone my rock and then steal everything they own.
b) Virtual items in tf2 have proven to be a fairly reliable source of value. Some people in the community suspect that some Russian hackers use tf2 to abuse stolen credit cards, buy as many keys as they can, and then re-sell the keys for paypal. This effectively launders the money for the credit card thieves. The tf2 economy is estimated to be over 50 million USD each year. That's 50,000,000 reasons each year that these items have real, reliable, and easily monetizable value.
SneakyPolarBearIt's wrong to say that this isn't real theft because there was no legal agreement or because virtual hats have no value.
In the first case: Scamming someone via the "Nigerian Prince Email Scam" or scamming via Craigslist are both illegal. No actual signed or legal document/agreement was created, but verbal agreement (email) does constitute sufficient legal proof. No one is going to go to court for 200 bucks, but that does not make it legal.
In the second place:
a) The value of EVERYTHING is subjective. What if I think your computer is worth a nickel? What if I think that my taking it off your hands is actually worth more than the computer? Can I walk up and steal your laptop because this is how I value it? In transactions, both parties must agree. I can value a rock at 50 billion USD, but that doesn't mean I can give someone my rock and then steal everything they own.
b) Virtual items in tf2 have proven to be a fairly reliable source of value. Some people in the community suspect that some Russian hackers use tf2 to abuse stolen credit cards, buy as many keys as they can, and then re-sell the keys for paypal. This effectively launders the money for the credit card thieves. The tf2 economy is estimated to be over 50 million USD each year. That's 50,000,000 reasons each year that these items have real, reliable, and easily monetizable value.
either your source is wrong or mine is but i heard that tf2 is worth 22 M USD, does anyone know?
[quote=SneakyPolarBear]It's wrong to say that this isn't real theft because there was no legal agreement or because virtual hats have no value.
In the first case: Scamming someone via the "Nigerian Prince Email Scam" or scamming via Craigslist are both illegal. No actual signed or legal document/agreement was created, but verbal agreement (email) does constitute sufficient legal proof. No one is going to go to court for 200 bucks, but that does not make it legal.
In the second place:
a) The value of EVERYTHING is subjective. What if I think your computer is worth a nickel? What if I think that my taking it off your hands is actually worth more than the computer? Can I walk up and steal your laptop because this is how I value it? In transactions, both parties must agree. I can value a rock at 50 billion USD, but that doesn't mean I can give someone my rock and then steal everything they own.
b) Virtual items in tf2 have proven to be a fairly reliable source of value. Some people in the community suspect that some Russian hackers use tf2 to abuse stolen credit cards, buy as many keys as they can, and then re-sell the keys for paypal. This effectively launders the money for the credit card thieves. The tf2 economy is estimated to be over 50 million USD each year. That's 50,000,000 reasons each year that these items have real, reliable, and easily monetizable value.[/quote]
either your source is wrong or mine is but i heard that tf2 is worth 22 M USD, does anyone know?
There is a blog that tracks it I believe.
There is a blog that tracks it I believe.
flippers-snip-
either your source is wrong or mine is but i heard that tf2 is worth 22 M USD, does anyone know?
This is just a small example of the profit people can make.
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/10/21/user-created-tf2-items-bring-in-up-to-47-000-for-some-steam-mem/
article is from 2010 fyi
[quote=flippers]-snip-
either your source is wrong or mine is but i heard that tf2 is worth 22 M USD, does anyone know?[/quote]
This is just a small example of the profit people can make.
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/10/21/user-created-tf2-items-bring-in-up-to-47-000-for-some-steam-mem/
[i]article is from 2010 fyi[/i]
enigma please nuke this thread already
enigma please nuke this thread already
this shit reminds me of the incident with me and chigchig
if you're a thief you deserve everything coming and if you disagree you were likely a spoiled baby growing up.
this shit reminds me of the incident with me and chigchig
if you're a thief you deserve everything coming and if you disagree you were likely a spoiled baby growing up.
blinKDo what I did. Sell all your good unusuals to Fog for a slightly reduced rate. Guaranteed to never get scammed or have to deal with crap like this. Plus Fog is a great guy who deserves whatever he profits out of it. And i'm sure he's always up for the deal as long as he has the funds.
yeah, id just find a dude who you know from comp/irl/are good friends with and have him deal with all your trading shit-
ya you may not get the best deal of all time, but you save yourself a ton of headache too
sup kirby
[quote=blinK]Do what I did. Sell all your good unusuals to Fog for a slightly reduced rate. Guaranteed to never get scammed or have to deal with crap like this. Plus Fog is a great guy who deserves whatever he profits out of it. And i'm sure he's always up for the deal as long as he has the funds.[/quote]
yeah, id just find a dude who you know from comp/irl/are good friends with and have him deal with all your trading shit-
ya you may not get the best deal of all time, but you save yourself a ton of headache too
sup kirby
mmsup kirby
sup
[quote=m][quote=m]sup kirby[/quote]
sup
oh so the guy who went too far with the whole "threatening a kid and his family" is also on the team currently accused of winning matches thanks to DDOSing multiple times?
what are you doing comp community
oh so the guy who went too far with the whole "threatening a kid and his family" is also on the team currently accused of winning matches thanks to DDOSing multiple times?
what are you doing comp community
Trotimoh so the guy who went too far with the whole "threatening a kid and his family" is also on the team currently accused of winning matches thanks to DDOSing multiple times?
what are you doing comp community
I'm not on that team, I left around mid season and I am so glad I did. Get your facts straight bud
[quote=Trotim]oh so the guy who went too far with the whole "threatening a kid and his family" is also on the team currently accused of winning matches thanks to DDOSing multiple times?
what are you doing comp community[/quote]
I'm not on that team, I left around mid season and I am so glad I did. Get your facts straight bud
Why'd you bring this back why
Why'd you bring this back why
Because he wants drama (he's the one who scammed Roody).
Because he wants drama (he's the one who scammed Roody).
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why isn't this closed yet. admins please. pls
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