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Top 10 TF2 plays - October 2019
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#1
eXtelevision
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtFde7bu82g

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#2
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i realise this series is kinda geared towards pubbers (yet you still somehow gave clockwork blocking a med from spawn the nr1 play once) but it is honestly so frustrating to see a list of the "best plays of the month" and having one of the best clips weve seen at the top level of tf2 in a while be trumped by an open player running a gimmic

i realise this series is kinda geared towards pubbers (yet you still somehow gave clockwork blocking a med from spawn the nr1 play once) but it is honestly so frustrating to see a list of the "best plays of the month" and having one of the best clips weve seen at the top level of tf2 in a while be trumped by an open player running a gimmic
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#3
19 Frags +

like i get that youre trying to reach a wider audience but in the process youre also just misrepresenting the entire scene and comming off as not being genuine to the people i assume youre trying to promote

like i get that youre trying to reach a wider audience but in the process youre also just misrepresenting the entire scene and comming off as not being genuine to the people i assume youre trying to promote
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#4
17 Frags +

i remember a b4nny iseries 4k was #2 behind a tf2center pyro airblasting people into the pit on steel

i remember a b4nny iseries 4k was #2 behind a tf2center pyro airblasting people into the pit on steel
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#5
eXtelevision
25 Frags +

Lucky Luke ranked October and has been handling the rankings himself for 95% of the series. It's a subjective process based off of unspoken guidelines we've worked out over the years. We certainly might be a little inherently biased towards flashier plays and the weighting we have given plays from events/leagues has varied.

The shorthand of the title is "Top 10 TF2 plays of the month" but really its the "Top 10 most entertaining TF2 plays that were submitted to us of the month". That Kritz was insane, but we found the demoknight more entertaining and a better way to end the episode. Luke ranked them, but I didn't disagree with his rankings.

Either way you see this ranking, we've heard the feedback. Thank you for sharing your viewpoint. I sorted and ranked the November and December clips, Luke will maybe adjust once he's done recording and I'll look at the feedback when those are published.

Lucky Luke ranked October and has been handling the rankings himself for 95% of the series. It's a subjective process based off of unspoken guidelines we've worked out over the years. We certainly might be a little inherently biased towards flashier plays and the weighting we have given plays from events/leagues has varied.

The shorthand of the title is "Top 10 TF2 plays of the month" but really its the "Top 10 most entertaining TF2 plays that were submitted to us of the month". That Kritz was insane, but we found the demoknight more entertaining and a better way to end the episode. Luke ranked them, but I didn't disagree with his rankings.

Either way you see this ranking, we've heard the feedback. Thank you for sharing your viewpoint. I sorted and ranked the November and December clips, Luke will maybe adjust once he's done recording and I'll look at the feedback when those are published.
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#6
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taeva huge. 1 was amusing lol

taeva huge. 1 was amusing lol
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#7
15 Frags +

i also think its a huge stretch to count an entire life of 1ks with loads of time between them as part of the same "play" which seems to have got more common recently

i also think its a huge stretch to count an entire life of 1ks with loads of time between them as part of the same "play" which seems to have got more common recently
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eXtelevision
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BumFreezei also think its a huge stretch to count an entire life of 1ks with loads of time between them as part of the same "play" which seems to have got more common recently

Another fair point, but that's also the inevitable nature of a lot of sniper clips... or that Engie one. Sometimes we filter out a beginning frag or cut out early but long plays make for long clips. I def thought the Engie play was ranked fine as it was an impressive Sentry spree, but also sorta wish we had enough better clips to rank it out.

[quote=BumFreeze]i also think its a huge stretch to count an entire life of 1ks with loads of time between them as part of the same "play" which seems to have got more common recently[/quote]

Another fair point, but that's also the inevitable nature of a lot of sniper clips... or that Engie one. Sometimes we filter out a beginning frag or cut out early but long plays make for long clips. I def thought the Engie play was ranked fine as it was an impressive Sentry spree, but also sorta wish we had enough better clips to rank it out.
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#9
13 Frags +

but guys he healed his gun a LOT

but guys he healed his gun a LOT
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#10
15 Frags +

say anything you want about the selections/quality of the frags. but the editing/production of these videos is better than anything i've seen activision blizzard shit out for OWL.

say anything you want about the selections/quality of the frags. but the editing/production of these videos is better than anything i've seen activision blizzard shit out for OWL.
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#11
eXtelevision
20 Frags +

Totally agree with what eXtine said. Thanks for the feedback though, I totally understand this one is a little harder to swallow for the comp scene. I knew the demoknight clip was a little risky and I wasn't really 100% sure about it either. The focus for me is to make entertaining video's, there will always be people disagreeing with the order, so I tend not to spend too much time to make up my mind.
A goal is also to have more casual players watching (and continue to watch after 1 video), who may have never heard of 6v6 yet. They won't see the difference between a high level league clip and a lobby clip.

The high level league clips are also clips that 99.9% of the time come from STV demos that Beater submits ( <3 ). I wish those players would use prec and submit some POV clips as I'm sure they're getting crazy plays outside of the league matches as well.

DanceNumbersay anything you want about the selections/quality of the frags. but the editing/production of these videos is better than anything i've seen activision blizzard shit out for OWL.

Thanks! <3

Totally agree with what eXtine said. Thanks for the feedback though, I totally understand this one is a little harder to swallow for the comp scene. I knew the demoknight clip was a little risky and I wasn't really 100% sure about it either. The focus for me is to make entertaining video's, there will always be people disagreeing with the order, so I tend not to spend too much time to make up my mind.
A goal is also to have more casual players watching (and continue to watch after 1 video), who may have never heard of 6v6 yet. They won't see the difference between a high level league clip and a lobby clip.

The high level league clips are also clips that 99.9% of the time come from STV demos that Beater submits ( <3 ). I wish those players would use prec and submit some POV clips as I'm sure they're getting crazy plays outside of the league matches as well.

[quote=DanceNumber]say anything you want about the selections/quality of the frags. but the editing/production of these videos is better than anything i've seen activision blizzard shit out for OWL.[/quote]
Thanks! <3
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#12
0 Frags +

I remember how quickly my team comms went from callouts to all-out raging when I was playing with offside against that demoknight on product. Fun times.

I remember how quickly my team comms went from callouts to all-out raging when I was playing with offside against that demoknight on product. Fun times.
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#13
12 Frags +

Wait... im on Ascent again??

Wait... im on Ascent again??
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#14
eXtelevision
10 Frags +
DrPhilWait... im on Ascent again??

Maybe submit and fill out the info? I have to dig and find out what team you were on (during that clip / now). This is what I found. Wrong? :P

[quote=DrPhil]Wait... im on Ascent again??[/quote]
Maybe submit and fill out the info? I have to dig and find out what team you were on (during that clip / now). This is what I found. Wrong? :P
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#15
-15 Frags +
LuckyLukeDrPhilWait... im on Ascent again??Maybe submit and fill out the info? I have to dig and find out what team you were on (during that clip / now). This is what I found. Wrong? :P

umad

[quote=LuckyLuke][quote=DrPhil]Wait... im on Ascent again??[/quote]
Maybe submit and fill out the info? I have to dig and find out what team you were on (during that clip / now). This is what I found. Wrong? :P[/quote]

umad
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#16
9 Frags +
LuckyLukeDrPhilWait... im on Ascent again??Maybe submit and fill out the info? I have to dig and find out what team you were on (during that clip / now). This is what I found. Wrong? :P

Well i didn't submit the clip in the first place, so i was just surprised to see it and that i was on Ascent as well:p And it's no problem :)

[quote=LuckyLuke][quote=DrPhil]Wait... im on Ascent again??[/quote]
Maybe submit and fill out the info? I have to dig and find out what team you were on (during that clip / now). This is what I found. Wrong? :P[/quote]

Well i didn't submit the clip in the first place, so i was just surprised to see it and that i was on Ascent as well:p And it's no problem :)
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#17
10 Frags +

Obviously I cannot speak for all prem/invite/top level players when I say this, but for me personally, I have been put off from sending my frag clips to the Top 10 plays of the month for the reason that: I've submitted clips multiple times in the past, only for them to be not included, while other clips, which I see as no where near the level of what I send in (In terms of the actual play, not context of the game or who the clip is against) do get included, and sometimes even at #2 or #1.

Don't get me wrong, I love the series, its one of the main things I watched when I was getting into comp years and years ago (Though it would be a lot more watchable imo if you increased the viewmodel fov). But I am extremely grateful for all the work you and eXtv have put in and kept it going over the years.

MRfunnyalieni remember a b4nny iseries 4k was #2 behind a tf2center pyro airblasting people into the pit on steel

If I'm honest, I'm not sure a lot of prem/div1/invite players actually pay attention to the series for this kind of reason. Which sucks, but I don't blame them. I completely understand that as wan said its geared towards pubbers maybe more than the active competitive scene but I also agree fully with this:

Wandumlike i get that youre trying to reach a wider audience but in the process youre also just misrepresenting the entire scene and comming off as not being genuine to the people i assume youre trying to promote

and I think its reasons like these that are why maybe you have to go off Beater sending clips from top players now and not the players themselves. We all record demos as we are obliged to by league rules, we're just disincentivized because, in the past our double airshot followed by a 3k in a prem semi-final that we submitted, gets placed behind a sniper getting a 5 kill streak with the machina where 4 of them were bodyshots in a lobby, or worse, not included at all. (Or something along those lines.)

Obviously I cannot speak for all prem/invite/top level players when I say this, but for me personally, I have been put off from sending my frag clips to the Top 10 plays of the month for the reason that: I've submitted clips multiple times in the past, only for them to be not included, while other clips, which I see as no where near the level of what I send in (In terms of the actual play, not context of the game or who the clip is against) do get included, and sometimes even at #2 or #1.

Don't get me wrong, I love the series, its one of the main things I watched when I was getting into comp years and years ago (Though it would be a lot more watchable imo if you increased the viewmodel fov). But I am extremely grateful for all the work you and eXtv have put in and kept it going over the years.

[quote=MRfunnyalien]i remember a b4nny iseries 4k was #2 behind a tf2center pyro airblasting people into the pit on steel[/quote]

If I'm honest, I'm not sure a lot of prem/div1/invite players actually pay attention to the series for this kind of reason. Which sucks, but I don't blame them. I completely understand that as wan said its geared towards pubbers maybe more than the active competitive scene but I also agree fully with this:

[quote=Wandum]like i get that youre trying to reach a wider audience but in the process youre also just misrepresenting the entire scene and comming off as not being genuine to the people i assume youre trying to promote[/quote]

and I think its reasons like these that are why maybe you have to go off Beater sending clips from top players now and not the players themselves. We all record demos as we are obliged to by league rules, we're just disincentivized because, in the past our double airshot followed by a 3k in a prem semi-final that we submitted, gets placed behind a sniper getting a 5 kill streak with the machina where 4 of them were bodyshots in a lobby, or worse, not included at all. (Or something along those lines.)
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#18
eXtelevision
5 Frags +
CrayonLuckyLukeDrPhilWait... im on Ascent again??Maybe submit and fill out the info? I have to dig and find out what team you were on (during that clip / now). This is what I found. Wrong? :P
umad

Not at all :)

counouand I think its reasons like these that are why maybe you have to go off Beater sending clips from top players now and not the players themselves. We all record demos as we are obliged to by league rules, we're just disincentivized because, in the past our double airshot followed by a 3k in a prem semi-final that we submitted, gets placed behind a sniper getting a 5 kill streak with the machina where 4 of them were bodyshots in a lobby, or worse, not included at all. (Or something along those lines.)

Well the prem/invite players never really have been submitting in the first place, not even for the special LAN episodes which are LAN clips only. The clips in those are also 100% from Beater / someone digging through STV demos. We can only work with what we get.

Still sad it stops you from submitting after a disappointment though, wish I could change that but we do still get 50 - 100 submissions in good months so obviously they can't all make it in..

[quote=Crayon][quote=LuckyLuke][quote=DrPhil]Wait... im on Ascent again??[/quote]
Maybe submit and fill out the info? I have to dig and find out what team you were on (during that clip / now). This is what I found. Wrong? :P[/quote]

umad[/quote]
Not at all :)

[quote=counou]
and I think its reasons like these that are why maybe you have to go off Beater sending clips from top players now and not the players themselves. We all record demos as we are obliged to by league rules, we're just disincentivized because, in the past our double airshot followed by a 3k in a prem semi-final that we submitted, gets placed behind a sniper getting a 5 kill streak with the machina where 4 of them were bodyshots in a lobby, or worse, not included at all. (Or something along those lines.)[/quote]
Well the prem/invite players never really have been submitting in the first place, not even for the special LAN episodes which are LAN clips only. The clips in those are also 100% from Beater / someone digging through STV demos. We can only work with what we get.

Still sad it stops you from submitting after a disappointment though, wish I could change that but we do still get 50 - 100 submissions in good months so obviously they can't all make it in..
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#19
eXtelevision
8 Frags +
counou...

Again, thanks for feedback.

It's been a truth for us that when production lags, the quality of submissions for the following months suffers. Hopefully this discussion helps the quality of our January submissions. While November and December should be entertaining months, we're not getting as much of the league/top level content as we'd like. The quality of the series is definitely dependent upon the clips so we're appreciative of any help we can get.

I understand how someone could end up with bitterness in their mouth over a ranking, but again it's definitely a subjective process and we'll never be able to match everyone's opinion of how we should be ranking things. If you wanted a higher ranking please just keep grinding and send us your neXt hot play.

Luke and I will keep tryna get better at doing this thing we do. All your support is appreciated.

[quote=counou]...[/quote]

Again, thanks for feedback.

It's been a truth for us that when production lags, the quality of submissions for the following months suffers. Hopefully this discussion helps the quality of our January submissions. While November and December should be entertaining months, we're not getting as much of the league/top level content as we'd like. The quality of the series is definitely dependent upon the clips so we're appreciative of any help we can get.

I understand how someone could end up with bitterness in their mouth over a ranking, but again it's definitely a subjective process and we'll never be able to match everyone's opinion of how we should be ranking things. If you wanted a higher ranking please just keep grinding and send us your neXt hot play.

Luke and I will keep tryna get better at doing this thing we do. All your support is appreciated.
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