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am I gonna regret going with ryzen for tf2/csgo?
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Just ordered a 2600x for a new build and I feel like I’m gonna regret it...

47% faster single core speed over my current processor which barely breaks 100 fps avg 640x480 lowest settings doesn’t really seem good enough considering I’ll be getting a 240hz monitor in the distant future.
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-3630QM-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600X/626vs3956

I feel like this processor is gonna dip below 200 on midfights and pubs/hl 720p low settings. Should I return it before I build my pc and go for an 8600k and OC to 4.6+?

I honestly just assumed I’d be able to OC 2600x to 4.5 and didn’t do the research before I bought it. What do you guys think?

On a side note csgo currently runs so much better than tf2 on my shitty little laptop that used to run tf2 no problem for years. At what point does valve do something about the degrading performance of this game? It gets worse every major update without fail.

Just ordered a 2600x for a new build and I feel like I’m gonna regret it...

47% faster single core speed over my current processor which barely breaks 100 fps avg 640x480 lowest settings doesn’t really seem good enough considering I’ll be getting a 240hz monitor in the distant future.
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-3630QM-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600X/626vs3956

I feel like this processor is gonna dip below 200 on midfights and pubs/hl 720p low settings. Should I return it before I build my pc and go for an 8600k and OC to 4.6+?

I honestly just assumed I’d be able to OC 2600x to 4.5 and didn’t do the research before I bought it. What do you guys think?

On a side note csgo currently runs so much better than tf2 on my shitty little laptop that used to run tf2 no problem for years. At what point does valve do something about the degrading performance of this game? It gets worse every major update without fail.
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questions to ask before purchasing

questions to ask before purchasing
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http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/910154/tf2-benchmarks

That's with a stock 2600 that can't be over clocked, I think you'll be fine. Especially compared to a 6 year old mobile CPU and a presumably comparably way worse GPU.

http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/910154/tf2-benchmarks

That's with a stock 2600 that can't be over clocked, I think you'll be fine. Especially compared to a 6 year old mobile CPU and a presumably comparably way worse GPU.
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serveme.tf
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You'll be fine if you're also getting a decent GPU.

You'll be fine if you're also getting a decent GPU.
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Exactly, if you're on integrated graphics you're on of the chosen few for whom the GPU is actually the limiting factor.

Exactly, if you're on integrated graphics you're on of the chosen few for whom the GPU is actually the limiting factor.
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hi will i be ok with a 2700x and a 1060 3gb

real question ive been on a terrible PC for years and im wondering what to expect

hi will i be ok with a 2700x and a 1060 3gb

real question ive been on a terrible PC for years and im wondering what to expect
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carterhi will i be ok with a 2700x and a 1060 3gb

real question ive been on a terrible PC for years and im wondering what to expect

I feel like there is functionally no difference in TF2 on my stock 2700x compared to my old 4.8ghz 4690k when running nothing else in the background. If anything else is running the 2700x is FAR superior.

[quote=carter]hi will i be ok with a 2700x and a 1060 3gb

real question ive been on a terrible PC for years and im wondering what to expect[/quote]
I feel like there is functionally no difference in TF2 on my stock 2700x compared to my old 4.8ghz 4690k when running nothing else in the background. If anything else is running the 2700x is FAR superior.
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ArieYou'll be fine if you're also getting a decent GPU.

yea, luckily I grabbed an EVGA 1070 SC for CAD$340 so i should be good!

SetsulExactly, if you're on integrated graphics you're on of the chosen few for whom the GPU is actually the limiting factor.

yea the comparison between my current gpu vs the one ill have in my new system is actually insane... basically 7x better performance
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-670M-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1070/m7956vs3609

thanks for the feedback guys, definitely gonna just stick with my 2600x.

while I have you guys here, I'm reading weird things about ryzen and ram speeds. on reddit people were saying to get b die ram from samsung or something like that? also should I go with x470 or b450? I don't mind spending a bit more if x470 is gonna future proof my rig better.

[quote=Arie]You'll be fine if you're also getting a decent GPU.[/quote]
yea, luckily I grabbed an EVGA 1070 SC for CAD$340 so i should be good!
[quote=Setsul]Exactly, if you're on integrated graphics you're on of the chosen few for whom the GPU is actually the limiting factor.[/quote]
yea the comparison between my current gpu vs the one ill have in my new system is actually insane... basically 7x better performance
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-670M-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1070/m7956vs3609

thanks for the feedback guys, definitely gonna just stick with my 2600x.

while I have you guys here, I'm reading weird things about ryzen and ram speeds. on reddit people were saying to get b die ram from samsung or something like that? also should I go with x470 or b450? I don't mind spending a bit more if x470 is gonna future proof my rig better.
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Mild OC on the 2600x you should still be above 200fps on midfights in 6s though. Will it be as good as a 8600k or 9600k overclocked to 5GHz? No, but should still be really good and gives you more breathing room for open background programs.

Setsul will probably know better than me, but I would lean toward going for a x470 or a really good b450 as a lot of the cheaper AMD motherboards tend to be exceptionally awful in terms of quality.

Mild OC on the 2600x you should still be above 200fps on midfights in 6s though. Will it be as good as a 8600k or 9600k overclocked to 5GHz? No, but should still be really good and gives you more breathing room for open background programs.

Setsul will probably know better than me, but I would lean toward going for a x470 or a really good b450 as a lot of the cheaper AMD motherboards tend to be exceptionally awful in terms of quality.
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Comangliaa lot of the cheaper motherboards tend to be exceptionally awful in terms of quality.

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I would suggest the MSI B450M MORTAR on a budget. One of the best VRMs on an AM4 board under $100.

[quote=Comanglia]a lot of the cheaper motherboards tend to be exceptionally awful in terms of quality.[/quote]
fixed for you

I would suggest the MSI B450M MORTAR on a budget. One of the best VRMs on an AM4 board under $100.
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#85
Yes, Samsung B Dies are most likely to actually work at the advertised speed. I'd aim for 3200 MHz CL16.

X470 gets you:
-4 more USB 3.0 Gen1 Ports, which you probably don't care about.
-2 more SATA 3 Ports or 1 SATA Express Port, which you won't use unless you've got at least 3 SSDs.
-2 more PCIe 2.0 lanes which you definitely don't care about
-SLI support, which you shouldn't care about.

So B450 is fine. Just get a mobo with 4 RAM slots, 2 indicates that corners have been cut.

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That's a bog standard 4+2 design, what makes it better than literally any other mobo? Sure, in exchange for having worse MOSFETs the use double on the high side, but that doesn't really improve anything.
I wouldn't be worried about not getting enough power and start worrying about getting garbage regulation quality because "budget" and "high quality chokes and capacitors" do not go well together.

Below 100$ the main thing is getting good airflow and a real because at the end of the day getting the heat away from the MOSFETs is way more important than some minor differences between all those 4 phase designs.

It's a good budget mobo but there's only so much you can do on a budget.

#85
Yes, Samsung B Dies are most likely to actually work at the advertised speed. I'd aim for 3200 MHz CL16.

X470 gets you:
-4 more USB 3.0 Gen1 Ports, which you probably don't care about.
-2 more SATA 3 Ports or 1 SATA Express Port, which you won't use unless you've got at least 3 SSDs.
-2 more PCIe 2.0 lanes which you definitely don't care about
-SLI support, which you shouldn't care about.

So B450 is fine. Just get a mobo with 4 RAM slots, 2 indicates that corners have been cut.

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That's a bog standard 4+2 design, what makes it better than literally any other mobo? Sure, in exchange for having worse MOSFETs the use double on the high side, but that doesn't really improve anything.
I wouldn't be worried about not getting enough power and start worrying about getting garbage regulation quality because "budget" and "high quality chokes and capacitors" do not go well together.

Below 100$ the main thing is getting good airflow and a real because at the end of the day getting the heat away from the MOSFETs is way more important than some minor differences between all those 4 phase designs.

It's a good budget mobo but there's only so much you can do on a budget.
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Setsul#85
That's a bog standard 4+2 design, what makes it better than literally any other mobo?

It has a heatsink that isn't just for show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSqhVlpgw3U

[quote=Setsul]#85
That's a bog standard 4+2 design, what makes it better than literally any other mobo?[/quote]
It has a heatsink that isn't just for show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSqhVlpgw3U
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SetsulBelow 100$ the main thing is getting good airflow and a real heatsink because at the end of the day getting the heat away from the MOSFETs is way more important than some minor differences between all those 4 phase designs.

It's a good budget mobo but there's only so much you can do on a budget.

It helps if I post all the words I think.

Still, that's it. It's 70-80$ mobo with a 2$ heatsink.
Even the DS3H comes with a heatsink and the Gaming K4 with 3x2 + 3 phases and pretty much the same MOSFETs doesn't really seem worse than the Mortar either. They are all equally unimpressive. Slap a 2$ heatsink on any of the other 4 phase boards and you get the same.

[quote=Setsul]
Below 100$ the main thing is getting good airflow and a real [b]heatsink[/b] because at the end of the day getting the heat away from the MOSFETs is way more important than some minor differences between all those 4 phase designs.

It's a good budget mobo but there's only so much you can do on a budget.[/quote]
It helps if I post all the words I think.

Still, that's it. It's 70-80$ mobo with a 2$ heatsink.
Even the DS3H comes with a heatsink and the Gaming K4 with 3x2 + 3 phases and pretty much the same MOSFETs doesn't really seem worse than the Mortar either. They are all equally unimpressive. Slap a 2$ heatsink on any of the other 4 phase boards and you get the same.
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