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This guy made a video stating his opinion as to why tf2 won't ever be a successful e-sport
(TL;DR game is too goofy, was intended for casual, and doesn't have enough support for valve)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfGTyO4xPgA

Not hating on the guy as he makes some valid points, but what do you guys think.

Personally I feel he was a bit pessimistic in general. Also I personally believe this community doesn't really care if tf2 never reaches CS:GO status (we would want that of course of it's not our goal or expectations).

I feel he thinks just cause a game has a general different tone (goofy somewhat) means it can't be an e-sport, or can't be taken seriously. But the game has such high skill mechanics that it would be dumb just to give the game a 100% causal funville. Also he state that no one plays to win when people do wanna win, I see many people complain about how not everyone plays the objective and comp would be the place to do that. problem is the game gives no reward for winning whatso ever.

I'd type more but i'm lazy idk.

This guy made a video stating his opinion as to why tf2 won't ever be a successful e-sport
(TL;DR game is too goofy, was intended for casual, and doesn't have enough support for valve)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfGTyO4xPgA

Not hating on the guy as he makes some valid points, but what do you guys think.


Personally I feel he was a bit pessimistic in general. Also I personally believe this community doesn't really care if tf2 never reaches CS:GO status (we would want that of course of it's not our goal or expectations).

I feel he thinks just cause a game has a general different tone (goofy somewhat) means it can't be an e-sport, or can't be taken seriously. But the game has such high skill mechanics that it would be dumb just to give the game a 100% causal funville. Also he state that no one plays to win when people do wanna win, I see many people complain about how not everyone plays the objective and comp would be the place to do that. problem is the game gives no reward for winning whatso ever.

I'd type more but i'm lazy idk.
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crabstract's opinion is very important to me thank u very much
this is among his greatest videos alongside such classics as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzyZVj3NQR4
it is important 4 tf2 players to care about cosmetics and competitives so i will reward him with honorary status into the french assassins

welcome aboard RECruit (play on words because REC is like the reclaimed which u use to buy cosmetics)
- kernel dagger rider of the french assassins

crabstract's opinion is very important to me thank u very much
this is among his greatest videos alongside such classics as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzyZVj3NQR4
it is important 4 tf2 players to care about cosmetics and competitives so i will reward him with honorary status into the french assassins

welcome aboard RECruit (play on words because REC is like the reclaimed which u use to buy cosmetics)
- kernel dagger rider of the french assassins
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Personally I think that this game had a lot of potential but Valve killed all of the chances for TF2 becoming an E-sport.

Personally I think that this game had a lot of potential but Valve killed all of the chances for TF2 becoming an E-sport.
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Starry_Nebulae(TL;DR game is too goofy, was intended for casual, and doesn't have enough support for valve)

This has been beaten to death before, and still doesn't really mean anything when you consider the success of games like smash bros (which is more goofy, intended to be more casual, has even less of the playerbase treat it competitively, and never really got any positive recognition from Nintendo).

As long as the game's decently balanced and doesn't completely break down at higher levels (which tf2 is fine for both), what separates e-sports from regular games is either being in the right place at the right time, or having lots of money thrown at it. If you look at every game that's been competitive, tf2 isn't actually lacking in what made them succeed from a design perspective, it just was never in a situation that it could become an esport.

[quote=Starry_Nebulae](TL;DR game is too goofy, was intended for casual, and doesn't have enough support for valve)[/quote]This has been beaten to death before, and still doesn't really mean anything when you consider the success of games like smash bros (which is more goofy, intended to be more casual, has even less of the playerbase treat it competitively, and never really got any positive recognition from Nintendo).

As long as the game's decently balanced and doesn't completely break down at higher levels (which tf2 is fine for both), what separates e-sports from regular games is either being in the right place at the right time, or having lots of money thrown at it. If you look at every game that's been competitive, tf2 isn't actually lacking in what made them succeed from a design perspective, it just was never in a situation that it could become an esport.
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that video is just his opinion

ps. this video is just his opinion

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that video is just his opinion

ps. this video is just his opinion

ᵈᶦᵈ ʰᵉ ᵐᵉᶰᵗᶦᵒᶰ ᶦᵗ ʷᵃˢ ʲᵘˢᵗ ʰᶦˢ ᵒᵖᶦᶰᶦᵒᶰ﹖
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#6
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a 500 sub youtuber who unironically has the word "scunt" in their vocabulary talking down on competitive tf2?
who woulda thought

a 500 sub youtuber who unironically has the word "scunt" in their vocabulary talking down on competitive tf2?
who woulda thought
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#7
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how you even let people like this take up space in your brain

how you even let people like this take up space in your brain
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Spaceship Servers
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http://i.imgur.com/fnjZLML.png

[img]http://i.imgur.com/fnjZLML.png[/img]
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#9
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I never understood how people think that game needs to be 100% serious to be competitive game. Isn't it about game's skill level, not it's theme?

I never understood how people think that game needs to be 100% serious to be competitive game. Isn't it about game's skill level, not it's theme?
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#10
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https://www.esportsearnings.com/games/370-turbo-racing-league

if a mobile game about fucking snail racing can get a million dollar tournament and lan then tf2 can be considered an e-sport even if it's "goofy"

https://www.esportsearnings.com/games/370-turbo-racing-league

if a mobile game about fucking snail racing can get a million dollar tournament and lan then tf2 can be considered an e-sport even if it's "goofy"
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If back in 2007 Valve did the same aggressive marketing of a tf2 esports scene that Blizzard did with Overwatch last year, the game would probably wind up just as or more successful than OW is now. (let's ignore that with the whole OW League business Blizz seems to be shooting themselves in the foot and alienating esports orgs)

Unfortunately it's ten years later and Valve has shown time and time again they won't put the necessary effort and $, so no, it won't happen. Ofc comp tf2 is still cool, but it only makes sense to view it as a hobby, not as something to do professionally.

If back in 2007 Valve did the same aggressive marketing of a tf2 esports scene that Blizzard did with Overwatch last year, the game would probably wind up just as or more successful than OW is now. (let's ignore that with the whole OW League business Blizz seems to be shooting themselves in the foot and alienating esports orgs)

Unfortunately it's ten years later and Valve has shown time and time again they won't put the necessary effort and $, so no, it won't happen. Ofc comp tf2 is still cool, but it only makes sense to view it as a hobby, not as something to do professionally.
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#12
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I agree with 4HP about game not having a high possibility to become huge E-Sports, I just get irritated about people who think game's not competitive just becauee it's not 100% serious.

Also, do you have any information regarding the current state of OW E-sport? I'm slightly curious to hear.

I agree with 4HP about game not having a high possibility to become huge E-Sports, I just get irritated about people who think game's not competitive just becauee it's not 100% serious.

Also, do you have any information regarding the current state of OW E-sport? I'm slightly curious to hear.
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#13
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i enjoy playing games for fun :)

i enjoy playing games for fun :)
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