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It's about time for a promod
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#61
8 Frags +
Nub_DanishKond3PNub_Danishdumbing things down to appeal to idiots is never a good idea.
hello are you dumb
Would you like to give a well structured reply and tell why it is a good idea?
im not saying it's a good idea necessarily i was referring to why i said he was an elitist fuckwit and i did in a earlier post address why removal of "hidden" mechanics like bunny hopping or ctapping can be beneficial, but there are other better options i think
im asking if he's dumb becuase he doesn't seem to realize why that what he said gives off the impression that he thinks he better or smarter than people
also stop straw manning me send

stop saying stupid things

[quote=Nub_Danish][quote=Kond3P][quote=Nub_Danish]
dumbing things down to appeal to idiots is never a good idea.
hello are you dumb[/quote]
Would you like to give a well structured reply and tell why it is a good idea?[/quote]
im not saying it's a good idea necessarily i was referring to why i said he was an elitist fuckwit and i did in a earlier post address why removal of "hidden" mechanics like bunny hopping or ctapping can be beneficial, but there are other better options i think
im asking if he's dumb becuase he doesn't seem to realize why that what he said gives off the impression that he thinks he better or smarter than people
also stop straw manning me send[/quote]
stop saying stupid things
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#62
11 Frags +

all i want for christmas is a tf2 that doesn't make me wanna die

all i want for christmas is a tf2 that doesn't make me wanna die
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#63
9 Frags +
Viperall i want for christmas is a tf2 that doesn't make me wanna die

2 late lolol

-valve

[quote=Viper]all i want for christmas is a tf2 that doesn't make me wanna die[/quote]
2 late lolol

-valve
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#64
-12 Frags +
toads_tfNub_DanishKond3PNub_Danishdumbing things down to appeal to idiots is never a good idea.
hello are you dumb
Would you like to give a well structured reply and tell why it is a good idea?
im not saying it's a good idea necessarily i was referring to why i said he was an elitist fuckwit and i did in a earlier post address why removal of "hidden" mechanics like bunny hopping or ctapping can be beneficial, but there are other better options i think
im asking if he's dumb becuase he doesn't seem to realize why that what he said gives off the impression that he thinks he better or smarter than people
also stop straw manning me send
1. you're not an elitist for believing your game should be skill-based
2. those mechanics don't have to be hidden if there was a proper fucking tutorial or if competitive wasn't obscure as fuck
3. he probably is better and smarter when it comes to tf2 than most of the playerbase but regardless of that there's nothing that implies that he is better than anyone else, he just wants the game to have a high skill ceiling. i want the game not to be pandered towards bad players, and i could probably be beaten by every player on this thread

he's saying that anyone who doesn't like the mechanics he likes is an idiot
alot of people in this thread don't like pyro but to remove pyro from the game would be to dumb it down becuase it would remove mechanics so by his logic people who want to remove pyro are appealing to idiots
and this pro mod would remove alot of mechanics from the game would it not dum down the game?
what is skillful is completely determined by you personally to deem anyone who doesn't have the same definition of what makes up skill an idiot is what makes you an elitist

> send
i'm talking about a promode. the people who play casually wouldn't enjoy a promode anyway. this game has too many stupid gimmicks that pander to idiots who are bad at videogames

you argue that stupid gimmicks need to be removed, but then complain when stuff is dumbed down they're the same thing
rocket jumping could be considered a stupid gimmick, ctapping, bunny hopping its literally just based on your opinion

[quote=toads_tf][quote=Nub_Danish][quote=Kond3P][quote=Nub_Danish]
dumbing things down to appeal to idiots is never a good idea.
hello are you dumb[/quote]
Would you like to give a well structured reply and tell why it is a good idea?[/quote]
im not saying it's a good idea necessarily i was referring to why i said he was an elitist fuckwit and i did in a earlier post address why removal of "hidden" mechanics like bunny hopping or ctapping can be beneficial, but there are other better options i think
im asking if he's dumb becuase he doesn't seem to realize why that what he said gives off the impression that he thinks he better or smarter than people
also stop straw manning me send[/quote]
1. you're not an elitist for believing your game should be skill-based
2. those mechanics don't have to be hidden if there was a proper fucking tutorial or if competitive wasn't obscure as fuck
3. he probably is better and smarter when it comes to tf2 than most of the playerbase but regardless of that there's nothing that implies that he is better than anyone else, he just wants the game to have a high skill ceiling. i want the game not to be pandered towards bad players, and i could probably be beaten by every player on this thread[/quote]
he's saying that anyone who doesn't like the mechanics he likes is an idiot
alot of people in this thread don't like pyro but to remove pyro from the game would be to dumb it down becuase it would remove mechanics so by his logic people who want to remove pyro are appealing to idiots
and this pro mod would remove alot of mechanics from the game would it not dum down the game?
what is skillful is completely determined by you personally to deem anyone who doesn't have the same definition of what makes up skill an idiot is what makes you an elitist

> send
i'm talking about a promode. the people who play casually wouldn't enjoy a promode anyway. this game has too many stupid gimmicks that pander to idiots who are bad at videogames

you argue that stupid gimmicks need to be removed, but then complain when stuff is dumbed down they're the same thing
rocket jumping could be considered a stupid gimmick, ctapping, bunny hopping its literally just based on your opinion
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#65
6 Frags +
Nub_Danishtoads_tfNub_DanishKond3PNub_Danishdumbing things down to appeal to idiots is never a good idea.
hello are you dumb
Would you like to give a well structured reply and tell why it is a good idea?
im not saying it's a good idea necessarily i was referring to why i said he was an elitist fuckwit and i did in a earlier post address why removal of "hidden" mechanics like bunny hopping or ctapping can be beneficial, but there are other better options i think
im asking if he's dumb becuase he doesn't seem to realize why that what he said gives off the impression that he thinks he better or smarter than people
also stop straw manning me send
1. you're not an elitist for believing your game should be skill-based
2. those mechanics don't have to be hidden if there was a proper fucking tutorial or if competitive wasn't obscure as fuck
3. he probably is better and smarter when it comes to tf2 than most of the playerbase but regardless of that there's nothing that implies that he is better than anyone else, he just wants the game to have a high skill ceiling. i want the game not to be pandered towards bad players, and i could probably be beaten by every player on this thread
he's saying that anyone who doesn't like the mechanics he likes is an idiot
alot of people in this thread don't like pyro but to remove pyro from the game would be to dumb it down becuase it would remove mechanics so by his logic people who want to remove pyro are appealing to idiots
and this pro mod would remove alot of mechanics from the game would it not dum down the game?
what is skillful is completely determined by you personally to deem anyone who doesn't have the same definition of what makes up skill an idiot is what makes you an elitist

> send
i'm talking about a promode. the people who play casually wouldn't enjoy a promode anyway. this game has too many stupid gimmicks that pander to idiots who are bad at videogames

you argue that stupid gimmicks need to be removed, but then complain when stuff is dumbed down they're the same thing
rocket jumping could be considered a stupid gimmick, ctapping, bunny hopping its literally just based on your opinion

please just stop

[quote=Nub_Danish][quote=toads_tf][quote=Nub_Danish][quote=Kond3P][quote=Nub_Danish]
dumbing things down to appeal to idiots is never a good idea.
hello are you dumb[/quote]
Would you like to give a well structured reply and tell why it is a good idea?[/quote]
im not saying it's a good idea necessarily i was referring to why i said he was an elitist fuckwit and i did in a earlier post address why removal of "hidden" mechanics like bunny hopping or ctapping can be beneficial, but there are other better options i think
im asking if he's dumb becuase he doesn't seem to realize why that what he said gives off the impression that he thinks he better or smarter than people
also stop straw manning me send[/quote]
1. you're not an elitist for believing your game should be skill-based
2. those mechanics don't have to be hidden if there was a proper fucking tutorial or if competitive wasn't obscure as fuck
3. he probably is better and smarter when it comes to tf2 than most of the playerbase but regardless of that there's nothing that implies that he is better than anyone else, he just wants the game to have a high skill ceiling. i want the game not to be pandered towards bad players, and i could probably be beaten by every player on this thread[/quote]
he's saying that anyone who doesn't like the mechanics he likes is an idiot
alot of people in this thread don't like pyro but to remove pyro from the game would be to dumb it down becuase it would remove mechanics so by his logic people who want to remove pyro are appealing to idiots
and this pro mod would remove alot of mechanics from the game would it not dum down the game?
what is skillful is completely determined by you personally to deem anyone who doesn't have the same definition of what makes up skill an idiot is what makes you an elitist

> send
i'm talking about a promode. the people who play casually wouldn't enjoy a promode anyway. this game has too many stupid gimmicks that pander to idiots who are bad at videogames

you argue that stupid gimmicks need to be removed, but then complain when stuff is dumbed down they're the same thing
rocket jumping could be considered a stupid gimmick, ctapping, bunny hopping its literally just based on your opinion[/quote]
please just stop
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#66
20 Frags +
Nub_Danishtoads_tfNub_DanishKond3PNub_Danishdumbing things down to appeal to idiots is never a good idea.
hello are you dumb
Would you like to give a well structured reply and tell why it is a good idea?
im not saying it's a good idea necessarily i was referring to why i said he was an elitist fuckwit and i did in a earlier post address why removal of "hidden" mechanics like bunny hopping or ctapping can be beneficial, but there are other better options i think
im asking if he's dumb becuase he doesn't seem to realize why that what he said gives off the impression that he thinks he better or smarter than people
also stop straw manning me send
1. you're not an elitist for believing your game should be skill-based
2. those mechanics don't have to be hidden if there was a proper fucking tutorial or if competitive wasn't obscure as fuck
3. he probably is better and smarter when it comes to tf2 than most of the playerbase but regardless of that there's nothing that implies that he is better than anyone else, he just wants the game to have a high skill ceiling. i want the game not to be pandered towards bad players, and i could probably be beaten by every player on this thread
he's saying that anyone who doesn't like the mechanics he likes is an idiot
alot of people in this thread don't like pyro but to remove pyro from the game would be to dumb it down becuase it would remove mechanics so by his logic people who want to remove pyro are appealing to idiots
and this pro mod would remove alot of mechanics from the game would it not dum down the game?
what is skillful is completely determined by you personally to deem anyone who doesn't have the same definition of what makes up skill an idiot is what makes you an elitist

> send
i'm talking about a promode. the people who play casually wouldn't enjoy a promode anyway. this game has too many stupid gimmicks that pander to idiots who are bad at videogames

you argue that stupid gimmicks need to be removed, but then complain when stuff is dumbed down they're the same thing
rocket jumping could be considered a stupid gimmick, ctapping, bunny hopping its literally just based on your opinion

connor have you forgotten what tf2 is like? im sure you didnt just compare ctapping and the pyro class.

[quote=Nub_Danish][quote=toads_tf][quote=Nub_Danish][quote=Kond3P][quote=Nub_Danish]
dumbing things down to appeal to idiots is never a good idea.
hello are you dumb[/quote]
Would you like to give a well structured reply and tell why it is a good idea?[/quote]
im not saying it's a good idea necessarily i was referring to why i said he was an elitist fuckwit and i did in a earlier post address why removal of "hidden" mechanics like bunny hopping or ctapping can be beneficial, but there are other better options i think
im asking if he's dumb becuase he doesn't seem to realize why that what he said gives off the impression that he thinks he better or smarter than people
also stop straw manning me send[/quote]
1. you're not an elitist for believing your game should be skill-based
2. those mechanics don't have to be hidden if there was a proper fucking tutorial or if competitive wasn't obscure as fuck
3. he probably is better and smarter when it comes to tf2 than most of the playerbase but regardless of that there's nothing that implies that he is better than anyone else, he just wants the game to have a high skill ceiling. i want the game not to be pandered towards bad players, and i could probably be beaten by every player on this thread[/quote]
he's saying that anyone who doesn't like the mechanics he likes is an idiot
alot of people in this thread don't like pyro but to remove pyro from the game would be to dumb it down becuase it would remove mechanics so by his logic people who want to remove pyro are appealing to idiots
and this pro mod would remove alot of mechanics from the game would it not dum down the game?
what is skillful is completely determined by you personally to deem anyone who doesn't have the same definition of what makes up skill an idiot is what makes you an elitist

> send
i'm talking about a promode. the people who play casually wouldn't enjoy a promode anyway. this game has too many stupid gimmicks that pander to idiots who are bad at videogames

you argue that stupid gimmicks need to be removed, but then complain when stuff is dumbed down they're the same thing
rocket jumping could be considered a stupid gimmick, ctapping, bunny hopping its literally just based on your opinion[/quote]

connor have you forgotten what tf2 is like? im sure you didnt just compare ctapping and the pyro class.
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#67
5 Frags +
saamNub_Danishtoads_tfNub_DanishKond3PNub_Danishdumbing things down to appeal to idiots is never a good idea.
hello are you dumb
Would you like to give a well structured reply and tell why it is a good idea?
im not saying it's a good idea necessarily i was referring to why i said he was an elitist fuckwit and i did in a earlier post address why removal of "hidden" mechanics like bunny hopping or ctapping can be beneficial, but there are other better options i think
im asking if he's dumb becuase he doesn't seem to realize why that what he said gives off the impression that he thinks he better or smarter than people
also stop straw manning me send
1. you're not an elitist for believing your game should be skill-based
2. those mechanics don't have to be hidden if there was a proper fucking tutorial or if competitive wasn't obscure as fuck
3. he probably is better and smarter when it comes to tf2 than most of the playerbase but regardless of that there's nothing that implies that he is better than anyone else, he just wants the game to have a high skill ceiling. i want the game not to be pandered towards bad players, and i could probably be beaten by every player on this thread
he's saying that anyone who doesn't like the mechanics he likes is an idiot
alot of people in this thread don't like pyro but to remove pyro from the game would be to dumb it down becuase it would remove mechanics so by his logic people who want to remove pyro are appealing to idiots
and this pro mod would remove alot of mechanics from the game would it not dum down the game?
what is skillful is completely determined by you personally to deem anyone who doesn't have the same definition of what makes up skill an idiot is what makes you an elitist

> send
i'm talking about a promode. the people who play casually wouldn't enjoy a promode anyway. this game has too many stupid gimmicks that pander to idiots who are bad at videogames

you argue that stupid gimmicks need to be removed, but then complain when stuff is dumbed down they're the same thing
rocket jumping could be considered a stupid gimmick, ctapping, bunny hopping its literally just based on your opinion

connor have you forgotten what tf2 is like? im sure you didnt just compare ctapping and the pyro class.

HEY SHUT UP ELITIST

[quote=saam][quote=Nub_Danish][quote=toads_tf][quote=Nub_Danish][quote=Kond3P][quote=Nub_Danish]
dumbing things down to appeal to idiots is never a good idea.
hello are you dumb[/quote]
Would you like to give a well structured reply and tell why it is a good idea?[/quote]
im not saying it's a good idea necessarily i was referring to why i said he was an elitist fuckwit and i did in a earlier post address why removal of "hidden" mechanics like bunny hopping or ctapping can be beneficial, but there are other better options i think
im asking if he's dumb becuase he doesn't seem to realize why that what he said gives off the impression that he thinks he better or smarter than people
also stop straw manning me send[/quote]
1. you're not an elitist for believing your game should be skill-based
2. those mechanics don't have to be hidden if there was a proper fucking tutorial or if competitive wasn't obscure as fuck
3. he probably is better and smarter when it comes to tf2 than most of the playerbase but regardless of that there's nothing that implies that he is better than anyone else, he just wants the game to have a high skill ceiling. i want the game not to be pandered towards bad players, and i could probably be beaten by every player on this thread[/quote]
he's saying that anyone who doesn't like the mechanics he likes is an idiot
alot of people in this thread don't like pyro but to remove pyro from the game would be to dumb it down becuase it would remove mechanics so by his logic people who want to remove pyro are appealing to idiots
and this pro mod would remove alot of mechanics from the game would it not dum down the game?
what is skillful is completely determined by you personally to deem anyone who doesn't have the same definition of what makes up skill an idiot is what makes you an elitist

> send
i'm talking about a promode. the people who play casually wouldn't enjoy a promode anyway. this game has too many stupid gimmicks that pander to idiots who are bad at videogames

you argue that stupid gimmicks need to be removed, but then complain when stuff is dumbed down they're the same thing
rocket jumping could be considered a stupid gimmick, ctapping, bunny hopping its literally just based on your opinion[/quote]

connor have you forgotten what tf2 is like? im sure you didnt just compare ctapping and the pyro class.[/quote]
HEY SHUT UP ELITIST
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#68
6 Frags +

The gameplay of 6es is fine apart some minor balance changes, if anything a reworked whitelist to get rid of some of the weapons sounds good. Ive always liked the idea of a rollback client but when you think about it who would realistically support the decision since it would bring back security issues that have been patched out.

SnowdreamHere are some examples of things that could change:
  • Weapon balancing via stats rather than whitelisting
  • Class balance, and consequently class limits
  • Optimisation, removal of cosmetics

The problem is that its going to split the community even further, and not just the pub vs comp community but the existing players. Call me crazy but I think 6es is fine as it is, and the things that are in the game - while they could be reworked like this - should be dealt with on a ban/allow case. I like that you can transition from getting good in pubs to beginner level competitive and for those who already play both comp and casual its going to be a pain dealing with 2 different muscle memories for different gamemodes. Perhaps not muscle memory but say if damage or timing stats were modified for weapons.

If the promod client or plugin is solely focused on competitive exclusively, then how do you deal with globalization of said promod and how do you deal with people who play both and will have to play with awkward changes every time. Responsibility, influence and pros vs peoples opinions to mention a few.

As garbage as it sounds with the current dev team, realistically the only idea would be to get tf2 balanced from the core, and not with modded clients or plugins. Im open to anything if ideas are being thrown or projects being worked on but the above concerns are there.

I think 6es is fine but the current whitelist is spaghetti deluxe. Gimmicks and crutches dont belong in competitive, like this for example:

Nub_Danishyou argue that stupid gimmicks need to be removed, but then complain when stuff is dumbed down they're the same thing
rocket jumping could be considered a stupid gimmick, ctapping, bunny hopping its literally just based on your opinion

If we are going to base it on "your opinion" there are many more people who would not play vs pyro than a gunboats soldier. Have you ever played vs an engineer who sits in spawn, repairing his sentry with rescue ranger while a pyro is deflecting incoming spam and at the same time the enemy demoman is spamming the choke with loose cannon? Thats a gimmick for you. If you get killed or stalled by a bombing soldier he earned it, if you get killed or stalled by the composition above youre being gimmick-ed, same with pyro m2 reflect > flare 1shot combos, same with being zoned by a minisentry as a scout, for some examples. I prefer the term crutch but gimmick works too.

I play a fair amount of alternative game modes and the fact that the game is always the same on 6es, offline, pubs, dm, mge, inhouses makes it feel globalized and whatever you do there will work in 6es as well as it will work anywhere else.

The gameplay of 6es is fine apart some minor balance changes, if anything a reworked whitelist to get rid of some of the weapons sounds good. Ive always liked the idea of a rollback client but when you think about it who would realistically support the decision since it would bring back security issues that have been patched out.

[quote=Snowdream]
Here are some examples of things that could change:
[list]
[*] Weapon balancing via stats rather than whitelisting
[*] Class balance, and consequently class limits
[*] Optimisation, removal of cosmetics
[/list]
[/quote]

The problem is that its going to split the community even further, and not just the pub vs comp community but the existing players. Call me crazy but I think 6es is fine as it is, and the things that are in the game - while they could be reworked like this - should be dealt with on a ban/allow case. I like that you can transition from getting good in pubs to beginner level competitive and for those who already play both comp and casual its going to be a pain dealing with 2 different muscle memories for different gamemodes. Perhaps not muscle memory but say if damage or timing stats were modified for weapons.

If the promod client or plugin is solely focused on competitive exclusively, then how do you deal with globalization of said promod and how do you deal with people who play both and will have to play with awkward changes every time. Responsibility, influence and pros vs peoples opinions to mention a few.

As garbage as it sounds with the current dev team, realistically the only idea would be to get tf2 balanced from the core, and not with modded clients or plugins. Im open to anything if ideas are being thrown or projects being worked on but the above concerns are there.

I think 6es is fine but the current whitelist is spaghetti deluxe. Gimmicks and crutches dont belong in competitive, like this for example:

[quote=Nub_Danish]you argue that stupid gimmicks need to be removed, but then complain when stuff is dumbed down they're the same thing
rocket jumping could be considered a stupid gimmick, ctapping, bunny hopping its literally just based on your opinion[/quote]

If we are going to base it on "your opinion" there are many more people who would not play vs pyro than a gunboats soldier. Have you ever played vs an engineer who sits in spawn, repairing his sentry with rescue ranger while a pyro is deflecting incoming spam and at the same time the enemy demoman is spamming the choke with loose cannon? Thats a gimmick for you. If you get killed or stalled by a bombing soldier he earned it, if you get killed or stalled by the composition above youre being gimmick-ed, same with pyro m2 reflect > flare 1shot combos, same with being zoned by a minisentry as a scout, for some examples. I prefer the term crutch but gimmick works too.

I play a fair amount of alternative game modes and the fact that the game is always the same on 6es, offline, pubs, dm, mge, inhouses makes it feel globalized and whatever you do there will work in 6es as well as it will work anywhere else.
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#69
-1 Frags +
vaniwords

this sums it up very nicely

[quote=vani]words[/quote]
this sums it up very nicely
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#70
13 Frags +

Remember when CEVO basically killed the game by trying to get people to play in a different league? Alright nice now let's just make it a different game, what could go wrong??

Sure make a promod but get ready to only play the game in a pugchamp style with huge skill gaps

If you are gonna kill the game though, rebuild the game entirety so we can get a new network code, flat textures, mono color player models. No cosmetics so we can get actual good frames. After you've built the whole thing the game will be dead anyway and we can play it as a fun pug thing

Remember when CEVO basically killed the game by trying to get people to play in a different league? Alright nice now let's just make it a different game, what could go wrong??

Sure make a promod but get ready to only play the game in a pugchamp style with huge skill gaps

If you are gonna kill the game though, rebuild the game entirety so we can get a new network code, flat textures, mono color player models. No cosmetics so we can get actual good frames. After you've built the whole thing the game will be dead anyway and we can play it as a fun pug thing
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#71
8 Frags +
knuckRemember when CEVO basically killed the game by trying to get people to play in a different league? Alright nice now let's just make it a different game, what could go wrong??

Sure make a promod but get ready to only play the game in a pugchamp style with huge skill gaps

If you are gonna kill the game though, rebuild the game entirety so we can get a new network code, flat textures, mono color player models. No cosmetics so we can get actual good frames. After you've built the whole thing the game will be dead anyway and we can play it as a fun pug thing

what you just described is quake

[quote=knuck]Remember when CEVO basically killed the game by trying to get people to play in a different league? Alright nice now let's just make it a different game, what could go wrong??

Sure make a promod but get ready to only play the game in a pugchamp style with huge skill gaps

If you are gonna kill the game though, rebuild the game entirety so we can get a new network code, flat textures, mono color player models. No cosmetics so we can get actual good frames. After you've built the whole thing the game will be dead anyway and we can play it as a fun pug thing[/quote]
what you just described is quake
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#72
0 Frags +

Okay cool make a quake mod.

Okay cool make a quake mod.
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#73
4 Frags +

Making tf2 into a promod game is basically like trying to clone a dead corps.

Making tf2 into a promod game is basically like trying to clone a dead corps.
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#74
1 Frags +
knuckOkay cool make a quake mod.

there's no real reason, just play quake
and it's also been done anyway

[quote=knuck]Okay cool make a quake mod.[/quote]
there's no real reason, just play quake
and it's also been done anyway
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#75
3 Frags +

connor u need a break from tftv fam

connor u need a break from tftv fam
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#76
3 Frags +
sendknuckOkay cool make a quake mod.there's no real reason, just play quake
and it's also been done anyway

people are talking about a new way to play 6s just with a lot of the bullshit removed. Quake doesn't have the classes, doesn't have the gametypes, and doesn't have 6s with a lot of the bullshit removed. I'm really not sure you're understanding.

[quote=send][quote=knuck]Okay cool make a quake mod.[/quote]
there's no real reason, just play quake
and it's also been done anyway[/quote]

people are talking about a new way to play 6s just with a lot of the bullshit removed. Quake doesn't have the classes, doesn't have the gametypes, and doesn't have 6s with a lot of the bullshit removed. I'm really not sure you're understanding.
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#77
-2 Frags +
knucksendknuckOkay cool make a quake mod.there's no real reason, just play quake
and it's also been done anyway

people are talking about a new way to play 6s just with a lot of the bullshit removed. Quake doesn't have the classes, doesn't have the gametypes, and doesn't have 6s with a lot of the bullshit removed. I'm really not sure you're understanding.

where exactly do you think tf2 came from

[quote=knuck][quote=send][quote=knuck]Okay cool make a quake mod.[/quote]
there's no real reason, just play quake
and it's also been done anyway[/quote]

people are talking about a new way to play 6s just with a lot of the bullshit removed. Quake doesn't have the classes, doesn't have the gametypes, and doesn't have 6s with a lot of the bullshit removed. I'm really not sure you're understanding.[/quote]
where exactly do you think tf2 came from
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#78
3 Frags +
sendknucksendknuckOkay cool make a quake mod.there's no real reason, just play quake
and it's also been done anyway

people are talking about a new way to play 6s just with a lot of the bullshit removed. Quake doesn't have the classes, doesn't have the gametypes, and doesn't have 6s with a lot of the bullshit removed. I'm really not sure you're understanding.
where exactly do you think tf2 came from

team fortress 2 is a sequel to team fortress classic which was based on a team fortress quake mod made in 1996... are you suggesting we play the mod that was released when I was 6 months old.

[quote=send][quote=knuck][quote=send][quote=knuck]Okay cool make a quake mod.[/quote]
there's no real reason, just play quake
and it's also been done anyway[/quote]

people are talking about a new way to play 6s just with a lot of the bullshit removed. Quake doesn't have the classes, doesn't have the gametypes, and doesn't have 6s with a lot of the bullshit removed. I'm really not sure you're understanding.[/quote]
where exactly do you think tf2 came from[/quote]

team fortress 2 is a sequel to team fortress classic which was based on a team fortress quake mod made in 1996... are you suggesting we play the mod that was released when I was 6 months old.
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#79
-5 Frags +
knuckQuake doesn't have the classes, doesn't have the gametypes, and doesn't have 6s with a lot of the bullshit removed. I'm really not sure you're understanding.

if you want to play without bullshit unlocks and retarded shit play quake fortress, it's the promode you guys are describing

[quote=knuck]
Quake doesn't have the classes, doesn't have the gametypes, and doesn't have 6s with a lot of the bullshit removed. I'm really not sure you're understanding.[/quote]
if you want to play without bullshit unlocks and retarded shit play quake fortress, it's the promode you guys are describing
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#80
-1 Frags +

someone lock this garbage please

someone lock this garbage please
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#81
1 Frags +

Overwatch itself isn't fast-paced, but the gamemodes that Overwatch has are. KOTH is obvious - I think Pro Viaduct and Coalplant are the most exciting maps to both watch and play that this game has ever had, just because of how well the gametype encourages pushing and makes it difficult to hold. A/D isn't fast-paced in the traditional sense, but there is always so much tension and strategy because a single mistake can mean disaster and one team is constantly attempting to put on pressure. I love 5CP, but of the 3 gamemodes, there is the most downtime.

Also, turtle classes in the present state of 6s are fine. You can make an argument that the Eviction Notice should be banned, but honestly it doesn't matter. Turtle classes are good for the metagame because they are only useful in one instance - having a chance to hold last vs full uber disadvantage, after wiping on mid. Even with the Gunslinger and Eviction Notice and Tomislav and Powerjack, they are still complete trash at transition fights, which means they aren't run out of lasts. Pushing lasts isn't why tf2 is slow, and teams breezing through last pushes with full advantage isn't going to fix anything.

As to what a promod could potentially do to make the game faster / better...well, I wrote down a bunch of ideas, but I probably won't post them unless there's interest, which I doubt there will be. The one thing I will say is PYYYOUR once made a post here (can't find it) that said that Uber charging faster and lasting less long would lead to a faster game. I think it's very interesting - there's a lot dead time in TF2 while teams build Uber. Making it charge faster cuts down on the dead time. Making the duration shorter makes it less insurmountable, so it isn't so inconceivable to push into an Uber without one, or start a slow push knowing you'll get it on the way.

Overwatch itself isn't fast-paced, but the gamemodes that Overwatch has are. KOTH is obvious - I think Pro Viaduct and Coalplant are the most exciting maps to both watch and play that this game has ever had, just because of how well the gametype encourages pushing and makes it difficult to hold. A/D isn't fast-paced in the traditional sense, but there is always so much tension and strategy because a single mistake can mean disaster and one team is constantly attempting to put on pressure. I love 5CP, but of the 3 gamemodes, there is the most downtime.

Also, turtle classes in the present state of 6s are fine. You can make an argument that the Eviction Notice should be banned, but honestly it doesn't matter. Turtle classes are good for the metagame because they are only useful in one instance - having a chance to hold last vs full uber disadvantage, after wiping on mid. Even with the Gunslinger and Eviction Notice and Tomislav and Powerjack, they are still complete trash at transition fights, which means they aren't run out of lasts. Pushing lasts isn't why tf2 is slow, and teams breezing through last pushes with full advantage isn't going to fix anything.

As to what a promod could potentially do to make the game faster / better...well, I wrote down a bunch of ideas, but I probably won't post them unless there's interest, which I doubt there will be. The one thing I will say is PYYYOUR once made a post here (can't find it) that said that Uber charging faster and lasting less long would lead to a faster game. I think it's very interesting - there's a lot dead time in TF2 while teams build Uber. Making it charge faster cuts down on the dead time. Making the duration shorter makes it less insurmountable, so it isn't so inconceivable to push into an Uber without one, or start a slow push knowing you'll get it on the way.
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#82
0 Frags +
toads_tfhttp://i.imgur.com/YHVYaM5.png

i wonder where tf2 is going wrong... :thinking:

where?

[quote=toads_tf][img]http://i.imgur.com/YHVYaM5.png[/img]

i wonder where tf2 is going wrong... :thinking:[/quote]

where?
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#83
2 Frags +
knuck flat textures, mono color player models. No cosmetics so we can get actual good frames. After you've built the whole thing the game will be dead anyway and we can play it as a fun pug thing

this was what I had in mind in the first place (see: cod4 promod)

[quote=knuck] flat textures, mono color player models. No cosmetics so we can get actual good frames. After you've built the whole thing the game will be dead anyway and we can play it as a fun pug thing[/quote]

this was what I had in mind in the first place (see: cod4 promod)
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