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TF2 update for 8/16/16 (8/17/16 UTC)
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#31
-21 Frags +

so after making the sticky jumper unusable on jump maps awhile ago by not allowing 3 stickies to be placed and fired at the same time, they now make the rocket jumper unusable on jump maps by disabling damage indicators and pain sounds..
also the scoreboard mouse input never actually worked correctly for me and it still doesnt

so after making the sticky jumper unusable on jump maps awhile ago by not allowing 3 stickies to be placed and fired at the same time, they now make the rocket jumper unusable on jump maps by disabling damage indicators and pain sounds..
also the scoreboard mouse input never actually worked correctly for me and it still doesnt
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#32
cp_granary_pro
4 Frags +
fahrenheitat this point im just glad they havent given him a grappling hook yet

soldier: -rocket jumping +hook

[quote=fahrenheit]at this point im just glad they havent given him a grappling hook yet[/quote]
soldier: -rocket jumping +hook
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#33
-1 Frags +
mousiopethey now make the rocket jumper unusable on jump maps by disabling damage indicators and pain sounds..

How? Like, I really don't understand.

[quote=mousiope]they now make the rocket jumper unusable on jump maps by disabling damage indicators and pain sounds..[/quote]

How? Like, I really don't understand.
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#34
29 Frags +

The box change seems pretty questionable, Scouts could already get up there but it was atleast somewhat risky (You had to jump from Patio to the high parts on mid and then to the crates). I don't really see how giving Scouts basically free access to highground could ever be considered a good change.

EDIT:

DatDrummerGuymousiopethey now make the rocket jumper unusable on jump maps by disabling damage indicators and pain sounds..
How? Like, I really don't understand.

Removing pain markers makes seeing if you properly synced multiple rockets significantly harder.

The box change seems pretty questionable, Scouts could already get up there but it was atleast somewhat risky (You had to jump from Patio to the high parts on mid and then to the crates). I don't really see how giving Scouts basically free access to highground could ever be considered a good change.

EDIT:

[quote=DatDrummerGuy][quote=mousiope]they now make the rocket jumper unusable on jump maps by disabling damage indicators and pain sounds..[/quote]

How? Like, I really don't understand.[/quote]

Removing pain markers makes seeing if you properly synced multiple rockets significantly harder.
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#35
27 Frags +
DishSoapWhen was the last time scout got a nerf? I'm pretty curious now because Valve has just been directly and indirectly buffing him lately.

50$ to the first person that actually goes through patch notes and looks this up because I can't remember one, bonus points if you can compare other class balances/nerfs to any hes gotten as well

The only "nerf" I can think of is the "fixing" of bacon legging, other than that he hasn't been touched

(you must have a paypal account)

[quote=DishSoap]When was the last time scout got a nerf? I'm pretty curious now because Valve has just been directly and indirectly buffing him lately.[/quote]

50$ to the first person that actually goes through patch notes and looks this up because I can't remember one, bonus points if you can compare other class balances/nerfs to any hes gotten as well

The only "nerf" I can think of is the "fixing" of bacon legging, other than that he hasn't been touched

(you must have a paypal account)
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#36
0 Frags +

Does the BFB stopping being broken as hell count as a nerf?

Does the BFB stopping being broken as hell count as a nerf?
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#37
4 Frags +
DatDrummerGuymousiopethey now make the rocket jumper unusable on jump maps by disabling damage indicators and pain sounds..
How? Like, I really don't understand.

if you know how to interpret them, they give you really useful information on where to aim or what u might be doing wrong with syncs and stuff like that
its the small things

[quote=DatDrummerGuy][quote=mousiope]they now make the rocket jumper unusable on jump maps by disabling damage indicators and pain sounds..[/quote]

How? Like, I really don't understand.[/quote]

if you know how to interpret them, they give you really useful information on where to aim or what u might be doing wrong with syncs and stuff like that
its the small things
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#38
37 Frags +

You could already jump on the crates with the winger.

You could already jump on the crates with the winger.
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#39
3 Frags +
taggDishSoapWhen was the last time scout got a nerf? I'm pretty curious now because Valve has just been directly and indirectly buffing him lately.
50$ to the first person that actually goes through patch notes and looks this up because I can't remember one, bonus points if you can compare other class balances/nerfs to any hes gotten as well

The only "nerf" I can think of is the "fixing" of bacon legging, other than that he hasn't been touched

(you must have a paypal account)

are we talking straight up class nerfs or just weapon nerfs

if weapon nerfs july 7 2016 crit-a-cola "nerf" (oh boy marked for death that fixes everything)

[quote=tagg][quote=DishSoap]When was the last time scout got a nerf? I'm pretty curious now because Valve has just been directly and indirectly buffing him lately.[/quote]

50$ to the first person that actually goes through patch notes and looks this up because I can't remember one, bonus points if you can compare other class balances/nerfs to any hes gotten as well

The only "nerf" I can think of is the "fixing" of bacon legging, other than that he hasn't been touched

(you must have a paypal account)[/quote]
are we talking straight up class nerfs or just weapon nerfs

if weapon nerfs july 7 2016 crit-a-cola "nerf" (oh boy marked for death that fixes everything)
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#40
12 Frags +
TF2 TeamWe also wanted to touch on upcoming improvements to the Casual Mode experience. A high priority is providing better flow for continuing play at the end of a match. To that end, we're currently putting the finishing touches on two features that many of you have requested: The option to rematch with the same players on the same map at the end of a match, and the ability to re-queue into a new match from the win screens for both Casual Mode and Competitive Mode.

I play casual a lot, so this is really good. It also solves every single problem that Casual has. Basically an upgraded quickplay.

[quote=TF2 Team]We also wanted to touch on upcoming improvements to the Casual Mode experience. A high priority is providing better flow for continuing play at the end of a match. To that end, we're currently putting the finishing touches on two features that many of you have requested: The option to rematch with the same players on the same map at the end of a match, and the ability to re-queue into a new match from the win screens for both Casual Mode and Competitive Mode.[/quote]

I play casual a lot, so this is really good. It also solves every single problem that Casual has. Basically an upgraded quickplay.
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#41
13 Frags +

Literally the only thing I could find was from April 20, 2009:

  • Scouts now drop the Intelligence if they're carrying it when they start phasing

that's not even a nerf, that's like a fix

Literally the only thing I could find was from [url=https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/April_20,_2009_Patch]April 20, 2009[/url]:

[list]
[*] Scouts now drop the Intelligence if they're carrying it when they start phasing
[/list]

that's not even a nerf, that's like a fix
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#42
0 Frags +
flatlinetaggDishSoapWhen was the last time scout got a nerf? I'm pretty curious now because Valve has just been directly and indirectly buffing him lately.
50$ to the first person that actually goes through patch notes and looks this up because I can't remember one, bonus points if you can compare other class balances/nerfs to any hes gotten as well

The only "nerf" I can think of is the "fixing" of bacon legging, other than that he hasn't been touched

(you must have a paypal account)
are we talking straight up class nerfs or just weapon nerfs

if weapon nerfs july 7 2016 crit-a-cola "nerf" (oh boy marked for death that fixes everything)

A list of any and all scout changes, weapons included

[quote=flatline][quote=tagg][quote=DishSoap]When was the last time scout got a nerf? I'm pretty curious now because Valve has just been directly and indirectly buffing him lately.[/quote]

50$ to the first person that actually goes through patch notes and looks this up because I can't remember one, bonus points if you can compare other class balances/nerfs to any hes gotten as well

The only "nerf" I can think of is the "fixing" of bacon legging, other than that he hasn't been touched

(you must have a paypal account)[/quote]
are we talking straight up class nerfs or just weapon nerfs

if weapon nerfs july 7 2016 crit-a-cola "nerf" (oh boy marked for death that fixes everything)[/quote]

A list of any and all scout changes, weapons included
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#43
20 Frags +
tagg
50$ to the first person that actually goes through patch notes and looks this up because I can't remember one, bonus points if you can compare other class balances/nerfs to any hes gotten as well

The only "nerf" I can think of is the "fixing" of bacon legging, other than that he hasn't been touched

(you must have a paypal account)

k here u go

http://pastebin.com/kxUybzF5

fun facts:

the scout as a class hasn't been changed since Scream Fortress 2014 outside of adding hats. either that or the TF wiki stopped after that update but other classes have more recent stuff (and i went back through the updates manually till that date looking for scout stuff)
they've never nerfed a scout attribute

i accept payment in any currency that is not the GBP

[quote=tagg]

50$ to the first person that actually goes through patch notes and looks this up because I can't remember one, bonus points if you can compare other class balances/nerfs to any hes gotten as well

The only "nerf" I can think of is the "fixing" of bacon legging, other than that he hasn't been touched

(you must have a paypal account)[/quote]

k here u go

http://pastebin.com/kxUybzF5

fun facts:

the scout as a class hasn't been changed since Scream Fortress 2014 outside of adding hats. either that or the TF wiki stopped after that update but other classes have more recent stuff (and i went back through the updates manually till that date looking for scout stuff)
they've never nerfed a scout attribute

i accept payment in any currency that is not the GBP
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#44
2 Frags +

Ok when I asked the question I meant only class nerfs, not really weapon nerfs.

Ok when I asked the question I meant only class nerfs, not really weapon nerfs.
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#45
4 Frags +
DishSoapOk when I asked the question I meant only class nerfs, not really weapon nerfs.

there are none

[quote=DishSoap]Ok when I asked the question I meant only class nerfs, not really weapon nerfs.[/quote]
there are none
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#46
19 Frags +
toads_tfhttp://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=23496

very good blog post to go along with it

i like new valve more

[quote=toads_tf]http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=23496

very good blog post to go along with it[/quote]
i like new valve more
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#47
11 Frags +

in comparison to other classes scout has way more weapons that valve have no idea what the hell to do with (crit-a-cola, sandman, wrap assassin, soda popper, bfb, pocket pistol)

here's the list of scout class changes by themselves

Show Content
March 6, 2009 Patch
You can now duck twice in the air. Scout double jumps reset the in-air jump counts.

big list, so spoiler'd

in comparison to other classes scout has way more weapons that valve have no idea what the hell to do with (crit-a-cola, sandman, wrap assassin, soda popper, bfb, pocket pistol)

here's the list of scout class changes by themselves

[spoiler]
March 6, 2009 Patch
You can now duck twice in the air. Scout double jumps reset the in-air jump counts.
[/spoiler]

big list, so spoiler'd
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#48
3 Frags +

id say that the removal of the auto-pistol script also was a nerf to scout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj-Cqdwm39o
potato quality sorry xd

id say that the removal of the auto-pistol script also was a nerf to scout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj-Cqdwm39o
potato quality sorry xd
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#49
0 Frags +
downpourid say that the removal of the auto-pistol script also was a nerf to scout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj-Cqdwm39o
potato quality sorry xd

that's in there

[quote=downpour]id say that the removal of the auto-pistol script also was a nerf to scout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj-Cqdwm39o
potato quality sorry xd[/quote]
that's in there
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#50
1 Frags +

If valve doesn't stop buffing scout eventually it wont just be us calling for nerfs. We need to establish some kind of communication with them before they do something that goes in the complete wrong direction. Specifically us of the competitive community should try to get in contact with them. We can't save this game by ourselves, but we can at least offer some suggestions to valve.

If valve doesn't stop buffing scout eventually it wont just be us calling for nerfs. We need to establish some kind of communication with them before they do something that goes in the complete wrong direction. Specifically us of the competitive community should try to get in contact with them. We can't save this game by ourselves, but we can at least offer some suggestions to valve.
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#51
36 Frags +

Nice research flat, dm me your paypal info
Thanks for looking that stuff up for us

Nice research flat, dm me your paypal info
Thanks for looking that stuff up for us
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#52
15 Frags +

tagg, man of his word SeemsGood

tagg, man of his word SeemsGood
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#53
1 Frags +

after 5+ years of Valve doing valve-like things the "report a hacker and they will get banned" feature is incredible and very welcome.

after 5+ years of Valve doing valve-like things the "report a hacker and they will get banned" feature is incredible and very welcome.
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#54
2 Frags +
TF2 Team- Fixed an issue with The Righteous Bison and Pomson 5000 hit detection where projectiles were being removed when colliding with invisible entities

It's the Pomson 6000, not the 5000.

[quote=TF2 Team]- Fixed an issue with The Righteous Bison and [b]Pomson 5000[/b] hit detection where projectiles were being removed when colliding with invisible entities[/quote]

It's the Pomson 6000, not the 5000.
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#55
0 Frags +
JunkTF2 TeamThe next few updates will be integrating TF more tightly with the global server network already used by games like CS:GO and Dota 2 to provide much more reliable connections and the best-possible latency. No mention of placement matches though...
Fuck my reading comprehension up fam.

That meant placement matches?

[quote=Junk][quote=TF2 Team]The next few updates will be integrating TF more tightly with the global server network already used by games like CS:GO and Dota 2 to provide much more reliable connections and the best-possible latency. [/quote]
[s]No mention of placement matches though...[/s]
Fuck my reading comprehension up fam.[/quote]
That meant placement matches?
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#56
-1 Frags +

I don't hate either of the changes that helped scout recently. Pretty much all of his buffs in recent memory (not counting unlocks) were collateral of other (bad) changes like the escape plan or sticky nerf. They didn't really address his core issues and if those core issues are ever resolved then I don't think those changes will matter at all. They're basically QOL improvements for low skill players and I don't think that's terrible.

Also I feel like the increased weapon switch speed counts as a nerf to scout.

I don't hate either of the changes that helped scout recently. Pretty much all of his buffs in recent memory (not counting unlocks) were collateral of other (bad) changes like the escape plan or sticky nerf. They didn't really address his core issues and if those core issues are ever resolved then I don't think those changes will matter at all. They're basically QOL improvements for low skill players and I don't think that's terrible.

Also I feel like the increased weapon switch speed counts as a nerf to scout.
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#57
6 Frags +

had 7 comp mm matches in a row where someone either in our team or the enemy team left
most of the time its a few seconds before we win the round
maybe try to keep the match going ? like in csgo...
playing the match itself just for a leaver to invalidate everything in the last minute sucks

the match must go on, its a simple as that
you can make stronger bans but the ban is what happens AFTER the match is ruined
stop the match from being ruined

had 7 comp mm matches in a row where someone either in our team or the enemy team left
most of the time its a few seconds before we win the round
maybe try to keep the match going ? like in csgo...
playing the match itself just for a leaver to invalidate everything in the last minute sucks

the match must go on, its a simple as that
you can make stronger bans but the ban is what happens AFTER the match is ruined
stop the match from being ruined
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#58
17 Frags +
Valve- Added crate to cargo containers at mid, allowing Scouts to get
onto the highest cargo container

What's the point of the winger?

[quote=Valve]
- Added crate to cargo containers at mid, allowing Scouts to get
onto the highest cargo container
[/quote]
What's the point of the winger?
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#59
4 Frags +
BenNZLValve- Added crate to cargo containers at mid, allowing Scouts to get
onto the highest cargo container
What's the point of the winger?

ikr thats what i had in my mind all the time while reading the posts.
i just hope this doesnt become a trend, as in having map makers adjust the heights of buildings so scouts can jump on them without the winger now.
the winger is one of the few weapons imo that is still equally useful to the pistol comparing up and downsides, when the maps start to adjust their heights to make it useless well have another slot thats gonna be using the stock weapon for everyone :(

[quote=BenNZL][quote=Valve]
- Added crate to cargo containers at mid, allowing Scouts to get
onto the highest cargo container
[/quote]
What's the point of the winger?[/quote]
ikr thats what i had in my mind all the time while reading the posts.
i just hope this doesnt become a trend, as in having map makers adjust the heights of buildings so scouts can jump on them without the winger now.
the winger is one of the few weapons imo that is still equally useful to the pistol comparing up and downsides, when the maps start to adjust their heights to make it useless well have another slot thats gonna be using the stock weapon for everyone :(
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#60
-1 Frags +
BenroadsDatDrummerGuymousiopethey now make the rocket jumper unusable on jump maps by disabling damage indicators and pain sounds..
How? Like, I really don't understand.

Removing pain markers makes seeing if you properly synced multiple rockets significantly harder.
mousiopeif you know how to interpret them, they give you really useful information on where to aim or what u might be doing wrong with syncs and stuff like that
its the small things

Thanks for the explanation, guys! Didn't think about this at all, for some reason.

[quote=Benroads]

[quote=DatDrummerGuy][quote=mousiope]they now make the rocket jumper unusable on jump maps by disabling damage indicators and pain sounds..[/quote]

How? Like, I really don't understand.[/quote]

Removing pain markers makes seeing if you properly synced multiple rockets significantly harder.[/quote]

[quote=mousiope]
if you know how to interpret them, they give you really useful information on where to aim or what u might be doing wrong with syncs and stuff like that
its the small things[/quote]

Thanks for the explanation, guys! Didn't think about this at all, for some reason.
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