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The 120Hz Monitor Thread
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#211
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Yeah the XL2411T is like 60 euros cheaper than the asus one for me, so I'll probably go for that assuming there aren't any flaws with it. Does anyone have any first hand experiences with it? Preferably someone who can compare the two.

Yeah the XL2411T is like 60 euros cheaper than the asus one for me, so I'll probably go for that assuming there aren't any flaws with it. Does anyone have any first hand experiences with it? Preferably someone who can compare the two.
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RakeYeah the XL2411T is like 60 euros cheaper than the asus one for me, so I'll probably go for that assuming there aren't any flaws with it. Does anyone have any first hand experiences with it? Preferably someone who can compare the two.

They're literally the same panel with different settings, osds, etc.

http://pcmonitors.info/others/benq-xl2411t-vs-asus-vg248qe

They're very comparable on every front

[quote=Rake]Yeah the XL2411T is like 60 euros cheaper than the asus one for me, so I'll probably go for that assuming there aren't any flaws with it. Does anyone have any first hand experiences with it? Preferably someone who can compare the two.[/quote]
They're literally the same panel with different settings, osds, etc.

http://pcmonitors.info/others/benq-xl2411t-vs-asus-vg248qe

They're very comparable on every front
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eXtelevision
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Any 120Hz 2560x1440 monitors out yet?

Any 120Hz 2560x1440 monitors out yet?
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#214
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LuckyLukeAny 120Hz 2560x1440 monitors out yet?

Didn't someone figure out a way to overclock the catleap 1440p monitors to 120hz? Killer input lag though, I think.
edit: here: http://120hz.net/forumdisplay.php?8-Yamakasi-Catleap-2B-Extreme-120hz-Club

[quote=LuckyLuke]Any 120Hz 2560x1440 monitors out yet?[/quote]
Didn't someone figure out a way to overclock the catleap 1440p monitors to 120hz? Killer input lag though, I think.
edit: here: http://120hz.net/forumdisplay.php?8-Yamakasi-Catleap-2B-Extreme-120hz-Club
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eXtelevision
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Hmmm. A new monitor has been on my wishlist for a while. I'm still on 60Hz 1680x1050 at the moment. 2560x1440 would give me 50% more resoultion to record TF2, would increase video quality so much..... But I've sorta also been wanting to play games on 120Hz for a while. Choises..

Asus PB278Q seems good and not too expensive. But on the other hand with that resolution I might have to pick up a new graphics card as well. :/

Hmmm. A new monitor has been on my wishlist for a while. I'm still on 60Hz 1680x1050 at the moment. 2560x1440 would give me 50% more resoultion to record TF2, would increase video quality so much..... But I've sorta also been wanting to play games on 120Hz for a while. Choises..

Asus PB278Q seems good and not too expensive. But on the other hand with that resolution I might have to pick up a new graphics card as well. :/
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#216
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http://www.neweggflash.com/Product/N82E16824009222

$200 120hz monitor

http://www.neweggflash.com/Product/N82E16824009222

$200 120hz monitor
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How do es it compare to the BenQ and the ASUS?

How do es it compare to the BenQ and the ASUS?
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#218
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LuckyLukeAny 120Hz 2560x1440 monitors out yet?

Yes...however, there are some catches.

ErenJayDidn't someone figure out a way to overclock the catleap 1440p monitors to 120hz? Killer input lag though, I think.
edit: here: http://120hz.net/forumdisplay.php?8-Yamakasi-Catleap-2B-Extreme-120hz-Club

I have this monitor, it's fine. Input lag isn't so bad that it's unplayable. The only thing that bugs me is that no one has an exact number for the input lag, so, frankly, any mention of input lag is going to be more opinion/speculation. I personally want to know how much input lag there is, but no one seems to have a number.

[quote=LuckyLuke]Any 120Hz 2560x1440 monitors out yet?[/quote]
Yes...however, there are some catches.

[quote=ErenJay]Didn't someone figure out a way to overclock the catleap 1440p monitors to 120hz? Killer input lag though, I think.
edit: here: http://120hz.net/forumdisplay.php?8-Yamakasi-Catleap-2B-Extreme-120hz-Club[/quote]
I have this monitor, it's fine. Input lag isn't so bad that it's unplayable. The only thing that bugs me is that no one has an exact number for the input lag, so, frankly, any mention of input lag is going to be more opinion/speculation. I personally want to know how much input lag there is, but no one seems to have a number.
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#219
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Good news for lightboost enthusiasts, there is now a custom utility for enabling and toggling lightboost strobing on compatible monitors, even on AMD cards!

http://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Strobelight-LightBoost-Utility-for-AMD-ATI-and-NVIDIA

Good news for lightboost enthusiasts, there is now a custom utility for enabling and toggling lightboost strobing on compatible monitors, even on AMD cards!

http://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Strobelight-LightBoost-Utility-for-AMD-ATI-and-NVIDIA
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#220
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povohatGood news for lightboost enthusiasts, there is now a custom utility for enabling and toggling lightboost strobing on compatible monitors, even on AMD cards!

http://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Strobelight-LightBoost-Utility-for-AMD-ATI-and-NVIDIA

that's awesome

[quote=povohat]Good news for lightboost enthusiasts, there is now a custom utility for enabling and toggling lightboost strobing on compatible monitors, even on AMD cards!

http://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Strobelight-LightBoost-Utility-for-AMD-ATI-and-NVIDIA[/quote]
that's awesome
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#221
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#BASED

You, sir, made my day.

I was hoping for this to happen so much. I almost resigned and try to grab a labtop from a friend to hotwire my monitor to enable lightboost.

THANK YOU

#BASED

You, sir, made my day.

I was hoping for this to happen so much. I almost resigned and try to grab a labtop from a friend to hotwire my monitor to enable lightboost.

THANK YOU
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#222
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Holy shit, this is good.

However, when I activate lightboost, my colors get all changed up.
I never understood why some people had color problems with the Asus. Some people reportet a purple-ish hue. I always had pretty perfect colors and completely neutral greys.
But when I turn on lightboost it actually becomes kind of purple. It actually looks extremely CRT now (minus the radiation).
It's weird but I'm okay with it because I can turn it off and have the colors be neutral again when I'm done tf2ing.

On a sidenote: I wonder if having lightboost on actually causes more eye strain (like CRTs do) because it is now constantly "flickering" on and off. Anyone know about that?

Holy shit, this is good.

However, when I activate lightboost, my colors get all changed up.
I never understood why some people had color problems with the Asus. Some people reportet a purple-ish hue. I always had pretty perfect colors and completely neutral greys.
But when I turn on lightboost it actually becomes kind of purple. It actually looks extremely CRT now (minus the radiation).
It's weird but I'm okay with it because I can turn it off and have the colors be neutral again when I'm done tf2ing.

On a sidenote: I wonder if having lightboost on actually causes more eye strain (like CRTs do) because it is now constantly "flickering" on and off. Anyone know about that?
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#223
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All led backlit monitors strobe the backlight to achieve brightness settings <100%, albeit usually at much higher rates than 120hz. Some people will be more sensitive to it than others.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/pulse_width_modulation.htm

All led backlit monitors strobe the backlight to achieve brightness settings <100%, albeit usually at much higher rates than 120hz. Some people will be more sensitive to it than others.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/pulse_width_modulation.htm
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#224
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I got a 30" widescreen CRT but it only takes YPbPr instead of VGA cables. Would I still be able to use it as a 120hz monitor?

I got a 30" widescreen CRT but it only takes YPbPr instead of VGA cables. Would I still be able to use it as a 120hz monitor?
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#225
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Some good news:

Easy LightBoost via a hotkey!
-- ToastyX has released a new LightBoost utility called Strobelight that allows you to turn ON/OFF LightBoost very easily.
http://www.blurbusters.com/easy-lightboost-toastyx-strobelight/
This allows you to enable LightBoost easily -- with no framerate loss, no Control+T needed, no 3D Vision drivers needed, no registry tweaks. Much simpler. IMPORTANT: In strobelight-setup.exe make sure you install all the refresh rates you need (e.g. 120Hz strobed and 121Hz non-strobed). You need to install both modes in order to be able to easily turn ON/OFF.

Also, there's another List of 120Hz Computer Monitors
This includes overclockable monitors, plus older 120Hz monitors, plus LightBoost-compatible monitors

Some good news:

[b]Easy LightBoost via a hotkey![/b]
-- ToastyX has released a new LightBoost utility called Strobelight that allows you to turn ON/OFF LightBoost very easily.
[b]http://www.blurbusters.com/easy-lightboost-toastyx-strobelight/[/b]
This allows you to enable LightBoost easily -- with no framerate loss, no Control+T needed, no 3D Vision drivers needed, no registry tweaks. Much simpler. [b]IMPORTANT:[/b] In strobelight-setup.exe make sure you install all the refresh rates you need (e.g. 120Hz strobed and 121Hz non-strobed). You need to install both modes in order to be able to easily turn ON/OFF.

Also, there's another [b][url=http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/120hz-monitors/]List of 120Hz Computer Monitors[/url][/b]
This includes overclockable monitors, plus older 120Hz monitors, plus LightBoost-compatible monitors
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#226
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http://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Strobelight-LightBoost-Utility-for-AMD-ATI-and-NVIDIA

Lightboost for ATI users.

http://www.monitortests.com/forum/Thread-Strobelight-LightBoost-Utility-for-AMD-ATI-and-NVIDIA

Lightboost for ATI users.
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#227
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I have the asusvg248qe (owner for ~3 months). I find it difficult to believe that someone without a 120hz could compete.

I'm very happy with the purchase. I would also say it's easily justifiable if you use the computer a lot, because it's quite easy on the eyes in day-to-day use.

I have the asusvg248qe (owner for ~3 months). I find it difficult to believe that someone without a 120hz could compete.

I'm very happy with the purchase. I would also say it's easily justifiable if you use the computer a lot, because it's quite easy on the eyes in day-to-day use.
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#228
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I just brought the asus bg248qe and i was wondering how bad the colors are out of the box? Is it easy to calibrate?

I just brought the asus bg248qe and i was wondering how bad the colors are out of the box? Is it easy to calibrate?
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#229
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I have no problems with the colors. I think they may be calibrating them differently now.

I have no problems with the colors. I think they may be calibrating them differently now.
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#230
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I've put together a nicely formatted list of 120Hz monitors:

Useful List of 120Hz and 144Hz monitors

Overclockable 120Hz Monitors
- QNIX QX2710 Evolution 2 ...... 27″ 2560×1440 ~90Hz – 130Hz
- X-Star DP2710 ...... 27″ 2560×1440 ~90Hz – 130Hz
- Overlord Tempest X270OC ...... 27″ 2560×1440 ~90Hz – 130Hz
- Overlord PCB Upgrade ...... 27″ 2560×1440 ~90Hz – 130Hz
- Catleap 2B ...... 27″ 2560×1440 ~120Hz
- Certain HDTV televisions .... HDTV Refresh Overclocking HOWTO: 120Hz television as a monitor

LightBoost 120Hz Monitors
has the LightBoost strobe backlight that can eliminate motion blur, see LightBoost HOWTO
- ASUS VG248QE ...... 24″ 1920×1080 144Hz
- ASUS VG278H ...... 24″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- ASUS VG278HE ...... 27″ 1920×1080 144Hz
- BENQ XL2411T ...... 24″ 1920×1080 144Hz
- BENQ XL2420T ...... 24″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- BENQ XL2420TX ...... 24″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- BENQ XL2420TE ...... 24″ 1920×1080 144Hz
- BENQ XL2720T ...... 27″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- ACER HN274HB bmiiid ...... 27″ 1920×1080 120Hz

Samsung 120Hz Monitors
has a strobe backlight that can eliminate motion blur, see Samsung Zero Motion Blur HOWTO
- Samsung S23A700D ...... 23″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- Samsung S23A750D ...... 23″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- Samsung S23A950D ...... 23″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- Samsung S27A700D ...... 27″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- Samsung S27A750D ...... 27″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- Samsung S27A950D ...... 27″ 1920×1080 120Hz

Other/Older 120Hz Monitors
- ASUS VG236H ...... 23″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- ASUS VG236HE ...... 23″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- BENQ XL2410T ...... 24″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- ACER GN245HQ, GD245HQ ...... 24″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- ACER GD235HZ ...... 23″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- ACER HN274H bmiiid ...... 27″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- Alienware AW2310 ...... 23″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- Planar SA2311W ...... 23″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- LG W2363D-PF ...... 23″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- Viewsonic VX2265wm, VX2268wm ...... 22″ 1680×1050 120Hz
- Samsung 2233rz ...... 22″ 1680×1050 120Hz
- Viewsonic V3D245 ...... 24″ 1920×1080 120Hz

(List taken from List of 120Hz monitors)

I've put together a nicely formatted list of 120Hz monitors:

[size=5][b]Useful List of 120Hz and 144Hz monitors[/b][/size]

[b]Overclockable 120Hz Monitors[/b]
- QNIX QX2710 Evolution 2 ...... 27″ 2560×1440 ~90Hz – 130Hz
- X-Star DP2710 ...... 27″ 2560×1440 ~90Hz – 130Hz
- Overlord Tempest X270OC ...... 27″ 2560×1440 ~90Hz – 130Hz
- Overlord PCB Upgrade ...... 27″ 2560×1440 ~90Hz – 130Hz
- Catleap 2B ...... 27″ 2560×1440 ~120Hz
- Certain HDTV televisions .... [url=http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/120hz-pc-to-tv]HDTV Refresh Overclocking HOWTO: 120Hz television as a monitor[/url]

[b]LightBoost 120Hz Monitors[/b]
[i]has the LightBoost strobe backlight that can eliminate motion blur, see [url=http://www.blurbusters.com/zero-motion-blur/lightboost]LightBoost HOWTO[/url][/i]
- ASUS VG248QE ...... 24″ 1920×1080 144Hz
- ASUS VG278H ...... 24″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- ASUS VG278HE ...... 27″ 1920×1080 144Hz
- BENQ XL2411T ...... 24″ 1920×1080 144Hz
- BENQ XL2420T ...... 24″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- BENQ XL2420TX ...... 24″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- BENQ XL2420TE ...... 24″ 1920×1080 144Hz
- BENQ XL2720T ...... 27″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- ACER HN274H[b][u]B[/u][/b] bmiiid ...... 27″ 1920×1080 120Hz

[b]Samsung 120Hz Monitors[/b]
[i]has a strobe backlight that can eliminate motion blur, see [url=http://www.blurbusters.com/zero-motion-blur/samsung]Samsung Zero Motion Blur HOWTO[/url][/i]
- Samsung S23A700D ...... 23″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- Samsung S23A750D ...... 23″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- Samsung S23A950D ...... 23″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- Samsung S27A700D ...... 27″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- Samsung S27A750D ...... 27″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- Samsung S27A950D ...... 27″ 1920×1080 120Hz

[b]Other/Older 120Hz Monitors[/b]
- ASUS VG236H ...... 23″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- ASUS VG236HE ...... 23″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- BENQ XL2410T ...... 24″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- ACER GN245HQ, GD245HQ ...... 24″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- ACER GD235HZ ...... 23″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- ACER HN274[b][u]H[/u][/b] bmiiid ...... 27″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- Alienware AW2310 ...... 23″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- Planar SA2311W ...... 23″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- LG W2363D-PF ...... 23″ 1920×1080 120Hz
- Viewsonic VX2265wm, VX2268wm ...... 22″ 1680×1050 120Hz
- Samsung 2233rz ...... 22″ 1680×1050 120Hz
- Viewsonic V3D245 ...... 24″ 1920×1080 120Hz

(List taken from [url=http://www.blurbusters.com/faq/120hz-monitors]List of 120Hz monitors[/url])
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#231
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i'll just leave this here

i'll just leave [url=www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254111&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=]this[/url] here
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#232
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metrici'll just leave this here

http://120hz.net/showthread.php?328-Hanns-G-HS233-120-Hz-monitor-Occasional-screen-tearing-ripple

He sent it back, and they sent him another one with the exact same issue.

[quote=metric]i'll just leave [url=www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254111&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=]this[/url] here[/quote]
http://120hz.net/showthread.php?328-Hanns-G-HS233-120-Hz-monitor-Occasional-screen-tearing-ripple

He sent it back, and they sent him another one with the exact same issue.
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So I'm trying to get 120hz on my CRT in full screen. However, when I put in the console -freq 120 or -refresh 120, I get no picture on my screen.

what do?

EDIT: Bizarre, -freq 119 and 121 work, but -freq 120 does not.

So I'm trying to get 120hz on my CRT in full screen. However, when I put in the console -freq 120 or -refresh 120, I get no picture on my screen.

what do?

EDIT: Bizarre, -freq 119 and 121 work, but -freq 120 does not.
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#234
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I've been thinking about investing in a 120hz monitor but I don't want to get f'ed out of my money for a monitor that doesn't go with my computer. So can someone please help and tell me if its worth it for me.

My fps stays somewhere around 100-120- (capped to 120) dropping to 70-90 when there's a whole lot of action going on, like middle fights for example. (with high frames + all the fps booster stuff)

My graphics card is ATI Radeon HD 5570 if that matters

I thought about buying the BenQ 24" XL2411T if all this works out...

I've been thinking about investing in a 120hz monitor but I don't want to get f'ed out of my money for a monitor that doesn't go with my computer. So can someone please help and tell me if its worth it for me.

My fps stays somewhere around 100-120- (capped to 120) dropping to 70-90 when there's a whole lot of action going on, like middle fights for example. (with high frames + all the fps booster stuff)

My graphics card is ATI Radeon HD 5570 if that matters

I thought about buying the BenQ 24" XL2411T if all this works out...
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#235
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what's your cpu? gfx card doesn't matter as much for tf2. what was your previous resolution? you might want to upgrade to a better card anyway for 1080p. try a 7850 or 7770

what's your cpu? gfx card doesn't matter as much for tf2. what was your previous resolution? you might want to upgrade to a better card anyway for 1080p. try a 7850 or 7770
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#236
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I have a i3 quad core. I have no idea what you mean by "previous resolution" but Im playing the game with my native 1920x1080 resolution. Im hesitant to buy a new card since I have newer built a computer nor upgraded one.

I have a i3 quad core. I have no idea what you mean by "previous resolution" but Im playing the game with my native 1920x1080 resolution. Im hesitant to buy a new card since I have newer built a computer nor upgraded one.
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eXtelevision
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Is the ASUS VG248QE Matte or Glossy? A.k.a. can you use it as a mirror?
I don't want this: http://static.hometheaterforum.com/imgrepo/4/49/htf_imgcache_36766.jpeg

Is the ASUS VG248QE Matte or Glossy? A.k.a. can you use it as a mirror?
I don't want this: http://static.hometheaterforum.com/imgrepo/4/49/htf_imgcache_36766.jpeg
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#238
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LuckyLukeIs the ASUS VG248QE Matte or Glossy? A.k.a. can you use it as a mirror?
I don't want this: http://static.hometheaterforum.com/imgrepo/4/49/htf_imgcache_36766.jpeg

I believe it has matte panel, but it does have a glossy bezel....disgusting.

[quote=LuckyLuke]Is the ASUS VG248QE Matte or Glossy? A.k.a. can you use it as a mirror?
I don't want this: http://static.hometheaterforum.com/imgrepo/4/49/htf_imgcache_36766.jpeg[/quote]

I believe it has matte panel, but it does have a glossy bezel....disgusting.
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#239
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JerbenI have a i3 quad core. I have no idea what you mean by "previous resolution" but Im playing the game with my native 1920x1080 resolution. Im hesitant to buy a new card since I have newer built a computer nor upgraded one.

There are no i3 quad cores. It's a dualcore with hyperthreading (2 logical cores per physical core->better multithread scheduling than windows).

If you don't get >120 fps (preferably about 240) ALL THE TIME a 120Hz monitor won't help you. With 90 fps instead of 120 it would show one frame twice, the next only on time and the frame after that twice, then once and so on. Yes, that looks as awful as it sounds.

tl;dr
Don't get a 120Hz monitor if you can't get >120 fps all the time.

[quote=Jerben]I have a i3 quad core. I have no idea what you mean by "previous resolution" but Im playing the game with my native 1920x1080 resolution. Im hesitant to buy a new card since I have newer built a computer nor upgraded one.[/quote]
There are no i3 quad cores. It's a dualcore with hyperthreading (2 logical cores per physical core->better multithread scheduling than windows).

If you don't get >120 fps (preferably about 240) ALL THE TIME a 120Hz monitor won't help you. With 90 fps instead of 120 it would show one frame twice, the next only on time and the frame after that twice, then once and so on. Yes, that looks as awful as it sounds.

tl;dr
Don't get a 120Hz monitor if you can't get >120 fps [b]all the time[/b].
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eXtelevision
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BioLuckyLukeIs the ASUS VG248QE Matte or Glossy? A.k.a. can you use it as a mirror?
I don't want this: http://static.hometheaterforum.com/imgrepo/4/49/htf_imgcache_36766.jpeg

I believe it has matte panel, but it does have a glossy bezel....disgusting.

Yes but the screen itself is matte right? Like ... the video area.

[quote=Bio][quote=LuckyLuke]Is the ASUS VG248QE Matte or Glossy? A.k.a. can you use it as a mirror?
I don't want this: http://static.hometheaterforum.com/imgrepo/4/49/htf_imgcache_36766.jpeg[/quote]

I believe it has matte panel, but it does have a glossy bezel....disgusting.[/quote]
Yes but the screen itself is matte right? Like ... the video area.
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