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#211
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/3rpjnl/i_just_spent_30_minutes_at_gamestop_talking_to_a/

It was posted something here but was now removed by the subreddit mods.

Basically it said that the "collectors edition" aka origin edition would be $60 for a physical copy and include all that stuff like skins + poster and access to future betas, while the normal game would be $40 full price for pre-order. It included a screen for a receipt as well.

Obviously nothing is confirmed but seeing as it got removed from the mods so quickly it's kinda suspicious it might be true

Honestly if this game has a $40 entry price with microtransations later on then it's doomed from the start. When you have dozens of f2p shooters out there (like tf2) and the most played fps in the world (CSGO) at $10 then this game doesn't seem to cut it.

I was eager to try it but I'm not paying $40 for a multiplayer only fps. Still hoping it's announced as f2p or with a very low entry fee. But if its not, Im still happy, good news for tf2.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/3rpjnl/i_just_spent_30_minutes_at_gamestop_talking_to_a/

It was posted something here but was now removed by the subreddit mods.

Basically it said that the "collectors edition" aka origin edition would be $60 for a physical copy and include all that stuff like skins + poster and access to [b]future[/b] betas, while the normal game would be $40 full price for pre-order. It included a screen for a receipt as well.

Obviously nothing is confirmed but seeing as it got removed from the mods so quickly it's kinda suspicious it might be true

Honestly if this game has a $40 entry price with microtransations later on then it's doomed from the start. When you have dozens of f2p shooters out there (like tf2) and the most played fps in the world (CSGO) at $10 then this game doesn't seem to cut it.

I was eager to try it but I'm not paying $40 for a multiplayer only fps. Still hoping it's announced as f2p or with a very low entry fee. But if its not, Im still happy, good news for tf2.
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#212
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there's a lot of contrary info going around regarding origin & the pricing

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/3roy6r/overwatch_origins_edition_news/

there's a lot of contrary info going around regarding origin & the pricing

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/3roy6r/overwatch_origins_edition_news/
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#213
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Kanecohttps://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/3rpjnl/i_just_spent_30_minutes_at_gamestop_talking_to_a/

It was posted something here but was now removed by the subreddit mods.

Basically it said that the "collectors edition" aka origin edition would be $60 for a physical copy and include all that stuff like skins + poster and access to future betas, while the normal game would be $40 full price for pre-order. It included a screen for a receipt as well.

Obviously nothing is confirmed but seeing as it got removed from the mods so quickly it's kinda suspicious it might be true

Honestly if this game has a $40 entry price with microtransations later on then it's doomed from the start. When you have dozens of f2p shooters out there (like tf2) and the most played fps in the world (CSGO) at $10 then this game doesn't seem to cut it.

I was eager to try it but I'm not paying $40 for a multiplayer only fps. Still hoping it's announced as f2p or with a very low entry fee. But if its not, Im still happy, good news for tf2.

Why would you not pay 40$ for a multiplayer game that can (potentially) give you tens of thousands of hours worth of gameplay as opposed to paying 60-70 for a 30 hour singleplayer game?

[quote=Kaneco]https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/3rpjnl/i_just_spent_30_minutes_at_gamestop_talking_to_a/

It was posted something here but was now removed by the subreddit mods.

Basically it said that the "collectors edition" aka origin edition would be $60 for a physical copy and include all that stuff like skins + poster and access to [b]future[/b] betas, while the normal game would be $40 full price for pre-order. It included a screen for a receipt as well.

Obviously nothing is confirmed but seeing as it got removed from the mods so quickly it's kinda suspicious it might be true

Honestly if this game has a $40 entry price with microtransations later on then it's doomed from the start. When you have dozens of f2p shooters out there (like tf2) and the most played fps in the world (CSGO) at $10 then this game doesn't seem to cut it.

I was eager to try it but I'm not paying $40 for a multiplayer only fps. Still hoping it's announced as f2p or with a very low entry fee. But if its not, Im still happy, good news for tf2.[/quote]

Why would you not pay 40$ for a multiplayer game that can (potentially) give you tens of thousands of hours worth of gameplay as opposed to paying 60-70 for a 30 hour singleplayer game?
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#214
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inb4 60 dollar to 6 months of subscription.

inb4 60 dollar to 6 months of subscription.
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#215
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but can I pay for beta access =[

edit: nvm q has been answered

but can I pay for beta access =[

edit: nvm q has been answered
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#216
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the301stspartanKanecohttps://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/3rpjnl/i_just_spent_30_minutes_at_gamestop_talking_to_a/

It was posted something here but was now removed by the subreddit mods.

Basically it said that the "collectors edition" aka origin edition would be $60 for a physical copy and include all that stuff like skins + poster and access to future betas, while the normal game would be $40 full price for pre-order. It included a screen for a receipt as well.

Obviously nothing is confirmed but seeing as it got removed from the mods so quickly it's kinda suspicious it might be true

Honestly if this game has a $40 entry price with microtransations later on then it's doomed from the start. When you have dozens of f2p shooters out there (like tf2) and the most played fps in the world (CSGO) at $10 then this game doesn't seem to cut it.

I was eager to try it but I'm not paying $40 for a multiplayer only fps. Still hoping it's announced as f2p or with a very low entry fee. But if its not, Im still happy, good news for tf2.

Why would you not pay 40$ for a multiplayer game that can (potentially) give you tens of thousands of hours worth of gameplay as opposed to paying 60-70 for a 30 hour singleplayer game?

Kind of a good question, but it's just as he said, if OW was $40, and and free shooters like TF2 and a $10 CSGO(most played) are available, there would almost be no point. You do have a point that the game could potentially give tens of thousands of hours worth of gameplay but you never know of course. It's like why pay $40 for Diablo when Path of Exile is free and has been known to be better than Diablo and have extra aspects that Diablo never had?

[quote=the301stspartan][quote=Kaneco]https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/3rpjnl/i_just_spent_30_minutes_at_gamestop_talking_to_a/

It was posted something here but was now removed by the subreddit mods.

Basically it said that the "collectors edition" aka origin edition would be $60 for a physical copy and include all that stuff like skins + poster and access to [b]future[/b] betas, while the normal game would be $40 full price for pre-order. It included a screen for a receipt as well.

Obviously nothing is confirmed but seeing as it got removed from the mods so quickly it's kinda suspicious it might be true

Honestly if this game has a $40 entry price with microtransations later on then it's doomed from the start. When you have dozens of f2p shooters out there (like tf2) and the most played fps in the world (CSGO) at $10 then this game doesn't seem to cut it.

I was eager to try it but I'm not paying $40 for a multiplayer only fps. Still hoping it's announced as f2p or with a very low entry fee. But if its not, Im still happy, good news for tf2.[/quote]

Why would you not pay 40$ for a multiplayer game that can (potentially) give you tens of thousands of hours worth of gameplay as opposed to paying 60-70 for a 30 hour singleplayer game?[/quote]
Kind of a good question, but it's just as he said, if OW was $40, and and free shooters like TF2 and a $10 CSGO(most played) are available, there would almost be no point. You do have a point that the game could potentially give tens of thousands of hours worth of gameplay but you never know of course. It's like why pay $40 for Diablo when Path of Exile is free and has been known to be better than Diablo and have extra aspects that Diablo never had?
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#217
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Magikarpthe301stspartanKanecohttps://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/3rpjnl/i_just_spent_30_minutes_at_gamestop_talking_to_a/

It was posted something here but was now removed by the subreddit mods.

Basically it said that the "collectors edition" aka origin edition would be $60 for a physical copy and include all that stuff like skins + poster and access to future betas, while the normal game would be $40 full price for pre-order. It included a screen for a receipt as well.

Obviously nothing is confirmed but seeing as it got removed from the mods so quickly it's kinda suspicious it might be true

Honestly if this game has a $40 entry price with microtransations later on then it's doomed from the start. When you have dozens of f2p shooters out there (like tf2) and the most played fps in the world (CSGO) at $10 then this game doesn't seem to cut it.

I was eager to try it but I'm not paying $40 for a multiplayer only fps. Still hoping it's announced as f2p or with a very low entry fee. But if its not, Im still happy, good news for tf2.

Why would you not pay 40$ for a multiplayer game that can (potentially) give you tens of thousands of hours worth of gameplay as opposed to paying 60-70 for a 30 hour singleplayer game?
Kind of a good question, but it's just as he said, if OW was $40, and and free shooters like TF2 and a $10 CSGO(most played) are available, there would almost be no point. You do have a point that the game could potentially give tens of thousands of hours worth of gameplay but you never know of course. It's like why pay $40 for Diablo when Path of Exile is free and has been known to be better than Diablo and have extra aspects that Diablo never had?

BECAUSE BLIZZARD $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

seriously that's it.

[quote=Magikarp][quote=the301stspartan][quote=Kaneco]https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/3rpjnl/i_just_spent_30_minutes_at_gamestop_talking_to_a/

It was posted something here but was now removed by the subreddit mods.

Basically it said that the "collectors edition" aka origin edition would be $60 for a physical copy and include all that stuff like skins + poster and access to [b]future[/b] betas, while the normal game would be $40 full price for pre-order. It included a screen for a receipt as well.

Obviously nothing is confirmed but seeing as it got removed from the mods so quickly it's kinda suspicious it might be true

Honestly if this game has a $40 entry price with microtransations later on then it's doomed from the start. When you have dozens of f2p shooters out there (like tf2) and the most played fps in the world (CSGO) at $10 then this game doesn't seem to cut it.

I was eager to try it but I'm not paying $40 for a multiplayer only fps. Still hoping it's announced as f2p or with a very low entry fee. But if its not, Im still happy, good news for tf2.[/quote]

Why would you not pay 40$ for a multiplayer game that can (potentially) give you tens of thousands of hours worth of gameplay as opposed to paying 60-70 for a 30 hour singleplayer game?[/quote]
Kind of a good question, but it's just as he said, if OW was $40, and and free shooters like TF2 and a $10 CSGO(most played) are available, there would almost be no point. You do have a point that the game could potentially give tens of thousands of hours worth of gameplay but you never know of course. It's like why pay $40 for Diablo when Path of Exile is free and has been known to be better than Diablo and have extra aspects that Diablo never had?[/quote]

BECAUSE BLIZZARD $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

seriously that's it.
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#218
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the301stspartan
Why would you not pay 40$ for a multiplayer game that can (potentially) give you tens of thousands of hours worth of gameplay as opposed to paying 60-70 for a 30 hour singleplayer game?

because tf2 is free

[quote=the301stspartan]

Why would you not pay 40$ for a multiplayer game that can (potentially) give you tens of thousands of hours worth of gameplay as opposed to paying 60-70 for a 30 hour singleplayer game?[/quote]

because tf2 is free
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#219
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Origins Edition Includes:

21 Heroes
5 skins:
Blackwatch Reyes (Reaper)
Strike-Commander Morrison (Soldier: 76)
Overgrown Bastion
Security Chief Pharah
Slipstream Tracer
Overwatch-themed content for several Blizzard Entertainment games:
Heroes of the Storm™ - Tracer Hero
World of Warcraft® - Baby Winston Pet
StarCraft® II Portraits
Hearthstone® Cardback
Diablo® III - Mercy Wings

Pre order skins, thats a new one

Origins Edition Includes:

21 Heroes
5 skins:
Blackwatch Reyes (Reaper)
Strike-Commander Morrison (Soldier: 76)
Overgrown Bastion
Security Chief Pharah
Slipstream Tracer
Overwatch-themed content for several Blizzard Entertainment games:
Heroes of the Storm™ - Tracer Hero
World of Warcraft® - Baby Winston Pet
StarCraft® II Portraits
Hearthstone® Cardback
Diablo® III - Mercy Wings

Pre order skins, thats a new one
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#220
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i have no clue how blizzcon works but if u literally have to buy a virtual ticket just to watch it does anyone know where u can go to watch for free

i have no clue how blizzcon works but if u literally have to buy a virtual ticket just to watch it does anyone know where u can go to watch for free
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#221
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alec_i have no clue how blizzcon works but if u literally have to buy a virtual ticket just to watch it does anyone know where u can go to watch for free

There'll be tons of re-streams on twitch (that will be banned, often), or otherwise on the internet. Just do some googling once it goes live, sort for new, and you'll probably find one.

[quote=alec_]i have no clue how blizzcon works but if u literally have to buy a virtual ticket just to watch it does anyone know where u can go to watch for free[/quote]

There'll be tons of re-streams on twitch (that will be banned, often), or otherwise on the internet. Just do some googling once it goes live, sort for new, and you'll probably find one.
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#222
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what the fuck are you doing blizzard? don't fuck this potentially fun game with a poor business model, please.

what the fuck are you doing blizzard? don't fuck this potentially fun game with a poor business model, please.
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#223
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alec_i have no clue how blizzcon works but if u literally have to buy a virtual ticket just to watch it does anyone know where u can go to watch for free

virtual tickets are for the panels and shit

hs/sc/wow pvp/hots championships etc will be streamed on their respective twitch channel

[quote=alec_]i have no clue how blizzcon works but if u literally have to buy a virtual ticket just to watch it does anyone know where u can go to watch for free[/quote]
virtual tickets are for the panels and shit

hs/sc/wow pvp/hots championships etc will be streamed on their respective twitch channel
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#224
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Any news on when open beta's gonna drop? Maybe New Years gift?

Any news on when open beta's gonna drop? Maybe New Years gift?
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#225
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kirbyAny news on when open beta's gonna drop? Maybe New Years gift?

mid/late december seems to be the consensus

[quote=kirby]Any news on when open beta's gonna drop? Maybe New Years gift?[/quote]

mid/late december seems to be the consensus
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#226
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if anyone needs a problem taken care of i'm more than glad to kill a few people for beta access

if anyone needs a problem taken care of i'm more than glad to kill a few people for beta access
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#227
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http://imgur.com/gallery/hkBPO

http://imgur.com/gallery/hkBPO
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#228
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conductorhttp://imgur.com/gallery/hkBPO

I'm looking at this just confused that these people have their Attack On Titan backpack hangers on their counter.

There's literally like 100 different things that are better suited for being at the POS, especially on CoD launch day.

(gamestop employee)

Preorder comes with a poster btw and it's pretty nice. Winston on one side and Tracer on the other.

[quote=conductor]http://imgur.com/gallery/hkBPO[/quote]

I'm looking at this just confused that these people have their Attack On Titan backpack hangers on their counter.

There's literally like 100 different things that are better suited for being at the POS, especially on CoD launch day.

(gamestop employee)

Preorder comes with a poster btw and it's pretty nice. Winston on one side and Tracer on the other.
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#229
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MagikarpKind of a good question, but it's just as he said, if OW was $40, and and free shooters like TF2 and a $10 CSGO(most played) are available, there would almost be no point. You do have a point that the game could potentially give tens of thousands of hours worth of gameplay but you never know of course. It's like why pay $40 for Diablo when Path of Exile is free and has been known to be better than Diablo and have extra aspects that Diablo never had?

By that logic, there's barely any reason to purchase any new game. There's always an older, similar game out that's cheaper or free.

[quote=Magikarp]
Kind of a good question, but it's just as he said, if OW was $40, and and free shooters like TF2 and a $10 CSGO(most played) are available, there would almost be no point. You do have a point that the game could potentially give tens of thousands of hours worth of gameplay but you never know of course. It's like why pay $40 for Diablo when Path of Exile is free and has been known to be better than Diablo and have extra aspects that Diablo never had?[/quote]

By that logic, there's barely any reason to purchase any new game. There's always an older, similar game out that's cheaper or free.
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#230
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the reasoning is that with single player story games you know you're at least getting a story. in a multiplayer-only game if you don't like it, that's it. 40 dollars gone. now considering kaneco is portuguese and thus inherently more watchful of wasteful spending it makes total sense

the reasoning is that with single player story games you know you're at least getting a story. in a multiplayer-only game if you don't like it, that's it. 40 dollars gone. now considering kaneco is portuguese and thus inherently more watchful of wasteful spending it makes total sense
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#231
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Hallowthe reasoning is that with single player story games you know you're at least getting a story. in a multiplayer-only game if you don't like it, that's it. 40 dollars gone. now considering kaneco is portuguese and thus inherently more watchful of wasteful spending it makes total sense

What? If you don't like the story in a story-based game, that's it. If you don't like the platforming in a platformer game, that's it. If you don't like the puzzles in a puzzle game, that's it. If you don't like the multiplayer in a multiplayer game, that's it. That argument doesn't make any sense. If you don't like a game, you wasted your money on it, regardless of what game it is. I don't think Portuguese people are more inherently thrifty than anyone else either, lol.

I don't at all understand the objections against Blizzard selling a video game at a price at which video games are normally sold at. If anything, 40$ is cheap.

[quote=Hallow]the reasoning is that with single player story games you know you're at least getting a story. in a multiplayer-only game if you don't like it, that's it. 40 dollars gone. now considering kaneco is portuguese and thus inherently more watchful of wasteful spending it makes total sense[/quote]

What? If you don't like the story in a story-based game, that's it. If you don't like the platforming in a platformer game, that's it. If you don't like the puzzles in a puzzle game, that's it. If you don't like the multiplayer in a multiplayer game, that's it. That argument doesn't make any sense. If you don't like a game, you wasted your money on it, regardless of what game it is. I don't think Portuguese people are more inherently thrifty than anyone else either, lol.

I don't at all understand the objections against Blizzard selling a video game at a price at which video games are normally sold at. If anything, 40$ is cheap.
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#232
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idk 40 dollars isnt cheap when the competition is between 10 dollars and nothing

idk 40 dollars isnt cheap when the competition is between 10 dollars and nothing
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#233
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the301stspartanWhy would you not pay 40$ for a multiplayer game that can (potentially) give you tens of thousands of hours worth of gameplay as opposed to paying 60-70 for a 30 hour singleplayer game?

As hallow said. Life is hard these days around here. Specially for college students. I have pretty much no disposable income, what I make is to pay the bills and the occasional night out. The last game I bought full price was Cities Skylines which was 30€ and has insane replay value (also because I was a huge fan of SC4). And even that I didn't spend money on, I literally sold a CSGO sticker for 30€ I didn't know I had in my backpack and bought the game. There's no way I would blindly drop $40 on a game that is multiplayer only. Specially when I've invested so much time into tf2 which is totally free.

Also I can't see the competitive scene of it taking of is the entry price is $40, and that would be one of the main reasons for me to get it. All the biggest competitive scenes in gaming right now are from f2p or low entry fee games (csgo). The only big competitive game I can remember which has a big entry price is starcraft, and that scene has been declining hard past couple years.

Also this coupled with the more than certain introduction of microtransactions (which you can already see in the pre-order skins) just turns me off completely. I mean, you either sell the entire game for full price with no bullshit attached or you have a f2p game with micro transactions, both is incredibly greedy and set a horrible precedent.

[quote=the301stspartan]
Why would you not pay 40$ for a multiplayer game that can (potentially) give you tens of thousands of hours worth of gameplay as opposed to paying 60-70 for a 30 hour singleplayer game?[/quote]
As hallow said. Life is hard these days around here. Specially for college students. I have pretty much no disposable income, what I make is to pay the bills and the occasional night out. The last game I bought full price was Cities Skylines which was 30€ and has insane replay value (also because I was a huge fan of SC4). And even that I didn't spend money on, I literally sold a CSGO sticker for 30€ I didn't know I had in my backpack and bought the game. There's no way I would blindly drop $40 on a game that is multiplayer only. Specially when I've invested so much time into tf2 which is totally free.

Also I can't see the competitive scene of it taking of is the entry price is $40, and that would be one of the main reasons for me to get it. All the biggest competitive scenes in gaming right now are from f2p or low entry fee games (csgo). The only big competitive game I can remember which has a big entry price is starcraft, and that scene has been declining hard past couple years.

Also this coupled with the more than certain introduction of microtransactions (which you can already see in the pre-order skins) just turns me off completely. I mean, you either sell the entire game for full price with no bullshit attached or you have a f2p game with micro transactions, both is incredibly greedy and set a horrible precedent.
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#234
-2 Frags +

nvm overwatch is $30 ...

nvm overwatch is $30 ...
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#235
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I'm not criticizing anybody's decision not to buy the game, your finances are your business of course, but I'm confused why people are surprised and even upset by a game being sold at a regular price. 40$ isn't a high price, it's cheap for a video game. I can't see that having any effect on the competitive community. The amount of money a competitive player dumps into electricity alone to practice their game dwarfs that. If there is serious interest in a game by players who compete for money, a 40$ one-time purchase shouldn't be something to hold them back.
As for microtransactions, as long as it's cosmetics/unlock of heroes that you can get with non-grindy amounts of play, I couldn't care less.

I mean, you either sell the entire game for full price with no bullshit attached or you have a f2p game with micro transactions, both is incredibly greedy and set a horrible precedent.

Tf2 was a paid game with microtransactions for almost 4 years.

I'm not criticizing anybody's decision not to buy the game, your finances are your business of course, but I'm confused why people are surprised and even upset by a game being sold at a regular price. 40$ isn't a high price, it's cheap for a video game. I can't see that having any effect on the competitive community. The amount of money a competitive player dumps into electricity alone to practice their game dwarfs that. If there is serious interest in a game by players who compete for money, a 40$ one-time purchase shouldn't be something to hold them back.
As for microtransactions, as long as it's cosmetics/unlock of heroes that you can get with non-grindy amounts of play, I couldn't care less.

[quote]I mean, you either sell the entire game for full price with no bullshit attached or you have a f2p game with micro transactions, both is incredibly greedy and set a horrible precedent.[/quote]
Tf2 was a paid game with microtransactions for almost 4 years.
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#236
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the301stspartanI mean, you either sell the entire game for full price with no bullshit attached or you have a f2p game with micro transactions, both is incredibly greedy and set a horrible precedent.Tf2 was a paid game with microtransactions for almost 4 years.

no it wasn't? what microtransactions were in tf2 before the store came along? iirc it was both payed and had the store for maybe a year tops

[quote=the301stspartan]
[quote]I mean, you either sell the entire game for full price with no bullshit attached or you have a f2p game with micro transactions, both is incredibly greedy and set a horrible precedent.[/quote]
Tf2 was a paid game with microtransactions for almost 4 years.[/quote] no it wasn't? what microtransactions were in tf2 before the store came along? iirc it was both payed and had the store for maybe a year tops
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#237
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You're right, I remembered the store being in much longer than it actually was. Points still stand though.

You're right, I remembered the store being in much longer than it actually was. Points still stand though.
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#238
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idk tf2s use of microtransactions was in many ways very new so you could argue that they were learning along the way. valve set a precedent of "we dont need you to pay for the game, you'll just pay for whatever features you'd like". the "horrible precedent" kaneco is refering to is likely that of "we want you to pay full price and then we want even more".

idk tf2s use of microtransactions was in many ways very new so you could argue that they were learning along the way. valve set a precedent of "we dont need you to pay for the game, you'll just pay for whatever features you'd like". the "horrible precedent" kaneco is refering to is likely that of "we want you to pay full price and then we want even more".
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#239
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There is nothing wrong with paying for the game. People worked to make the game. If the base game is good, it's okay to pay for it. If the bonus content is good, it's okay to pay for it. If either of them isn't, it's okay to not buy it. Don't see the problem there.

There is nothing wrong with paying for the game. People worked to make the game. If the base game is good, it's okay to pay for it. If the bonus content is good, it's okay to pay for it. If either of them isn't, it's okay to not buy it. Don't see the problem there.
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#240
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yeah there isnt a problem when its like that. but when you have to pay for certain features that become essential to the game on a multiplayer level it doesnt have to be good, youll still have to buy it to take part

yeah there isnt a problem when its like that. but when you have to pay for certain features that become essential to the game on a multiplayer level it doesnt have to be good, youll still have to buy it to take part
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