if your team goes valley (which ill assume you are almost all the time) then the easiest way to counter them is to simply counter-jump your soldiers to your crates

That's what I was thinking but I guess we never got it called fast enough that they were going to jump crates and they got up there and did massive damage uncontested. Thanks for the advice.

Have your soldiers go valley and wait for them to jump and have your soldiers jump them. Make sure you don't get overrun from underneath.

Decide to mirror middle and just jump their side crates and play from their side of middle. Good luck.

Have your soldiers go valley and wait for them to jump and try to stay strong with heals, hit some good shots and hope you make it through.

Have your demo man use his stickies to air det the train when they plan on jumping, to either do damage or direct the jumping soldiers in another direction.

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The goal of both their soldiers jumping is that they make you stop looking around and you focus on one target, while one of the two soldiers hits you with 2-3 rockets quickly and efficiently.

in the first few seconds of the midfight your scouts (at LEAST one) should be busy calling out their team's general position so everyone on your team can adjust their game accordingly. in order to do this as efficiently as possible i think sending one scout to watch from below the point and another on point/ on your crates to be able to see as big of an area as you can

I generally hold our crates and put as much damage as possible into one of the jumping soldiers as quickly as possible. If one of them drops you're usually in pretty good shape.

Thanks for all the helpful incite guys!

yeah I really like the closet push approach to dealing with this, if they're just bombing both soldiers while walking their medic up to their side, you can take your whole team their side and DESTROY whoever's there

The problem with that is that you are counting on your med to escape from the smallest door on mid. I have seen it work, but I'd rather take my chances in an open area than a tiny door/room with no chance of escaping if everything goes to hell.

big brad said it best, you have to counter jump which ever side the enemy soldiers go to otherwise you're giving them too much ground and it will give the rest of their team a chance to walk across the point and control the mid fight. also your demo could sticky up which ever side they try to get aggressive on whether its your train or theirs

you're trying to win mid, not let your medic escape no matter what

thats what im saying

oh also, you don't have to walk your med through closet right away, you can have him play from valley until it's safe

triple post good job mustard

each post is better than the last

depends on what the other guys are doing
like if their demo is on balcony puting stickies on your train if you jump to your crate you will get fucked
if their scouts are on their train the best is go valley and pick both of them (ofc with the help of your scouts) since they have no help