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Mumble cause of major lag issues. Help apprecaited
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Hi all

So since I've scoured all of google and plenty forums prior to this, it's finally time to post about it asking for further assistance.

A few weeks ago, while playing TF2, my game got crippling lag. Mouse movements were sporadically unresponsive, audio would sound glitchy, as if frozen (think: going to a demo tick sound repeating, but much worse), and the screen would freeze. This happens every few milliseconds, and doesn't stop.

I soon (not so soon) figured out that Mumble was in fact causing all these issues. What makes it worse is that upon closing Mumble, the problem persists until I restart my computer. My computer works fine until I even so much as run Mumble, and then very shortly, 2-3 minutes into usage, my computer starts crapping on itself. To clarify, this is system wide lag. My mouse teleports, audio glitches, and the system runs much slower. However, it's very sporadic, although quite constant and crippling. Also, something to note is that input causes more lag. So, when I don't move my mouse, the computer lags less, etc.

Things I've done to try and fix the problem, in no particular order:
- New Motherboard (when I said not so soon, this is what I meant)
- Reinstall Mumble
- Downgrade Mumble
- Uninstall Mumble, delete all registry files associated with Mumble, reinstall (both downgraded and current and beta snapshot version)
- Running Mumble as administrator, running in Windows XP service pack 3 compatibility mode
- Running with one core affinity
- Running with process importance set to Low (since Mumble runs on High by default)
- Checked for viruses
- Updated sound drivers (and others) from the motherboard website
I've probably done more things, but in summary nothing has worked.

It sounds to me like a hardware issue at this point. The odd thing is, I've had no problems for ~two years, and all of a sudden it started a few weeks back. No idea what could have caused it, no changes I made that would stick out.
A friend said it could be my onboard sound card, and tentatively suggested that getting a sound card might fix it. I'm hesitant to spend more money, especially after buying a motherboard (which was before I diagnosed Mumble as the culprit).

Any help really is appreciated. It kind of makes it difficult to start playing comp when I can't use Mumble. Frustrating, more than not being able to use it. Thanks in advance.

Edit: Also, if you know somewhere to point me in the right direction, please do
Edit 2: Appreciated*

Hi all

So since I've scoured all of google and plenty forums prior to this, it's finally time to post about it asking for further assistance.

A few weeks ago, while playing TF2, my game got crippling lag. Mouse movements were sporadically unresponsive, audio would sound glitchy, as if frozen (think: going to a demo tick sound repeating, but much worse), and the screen would freeze. This happens every few milliseconds, and doesn't stop.

I soon (not so soon) figured out that Mumble was in fact causing all these issues. What makes it worse is that upon closing Mumble, the problem persists until I restart my computer. My computer works fine until I even so much as run Mumble, and then very shortly, 2-3 minutes into usage, my computer starts crapping on itself. To clarify, this is system wide lag. My mouse teleports, audio glitches, and the system runs much slower. However, it's very sporadic, although quite constant and crippling. Also, something to note is that input causes more lag. So, when I don't move my mouse, the computer lags less, etc.

Things I've done to try and fix the problem, in no particular order:
- New Motherboard (when I said not so soon, this is what I meant)
- Reinstall Mumble
- Downgrade Mumble
- Uninstall Mumble, delete all registry files associated with Mumble, reinstall (both downgraded and current and beta snapshot version)
- Running Mumble as administrator, running in Windows XP service pack 3 compatibility mode
- Running with one core affinity
- Running with process importance set to Low (since Mumble runs on High by default)
- Checked for viruses
- Updated sound drivers (and others) from the motherboard website
I've probably done more things, but in summary nothing has worked.

It sounds to me like a hardware issue at this point. The odd thing is, I've had no problems for ~two years, and all of a sudden it started a few weeks back. No idea what could have caused it, no changes I made that would stick out.
A friend said it could be my onboard sound card, and tentatively suggested that getting a sound card might fix it. I'm hesitant to spend more money, especially after buying a motherboard (which was before I diagnosed Mumble as the culprit).


Any help really is appreciated. It kind of makes it difficult to start playing comp when I can't use Mumble. Frustrating, more than not being able to use it. Thanks in advance.

Edit: Also, if you know somewhere to point me in the right direction, please do
Edit 2: Appreciated*
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how is dpc latency?

http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon

http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml

how is dpc latency?

http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon

http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml
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jp_how is dpc latency?

http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon

http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml

Could you tell me how exactly to run it, in terms of mumble loading and whether to run an old version or anything else?

Edit: Launched Mumble with both running.
Ouch, it seems core 1 is exploding (not running with affinity to one core btw)
http://i.imgur.com/5XmVsmJ.png
http://i.imgur.com/A5m1aNK.png

[quote=jp_]how is dpc latency?

http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon

http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml[/quote]
Could you tell me how exactly to run it, in terms of mumble loading and whether to run an old version or anything else?

Edit: Launched Mumble with both running.
Ouch, it seems core 1 is exploding (not running with affinity to one core btw)
http://i.imgur.com/5XmVsmJ.png
http://i.imgur.com/A5m1aNK.png
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Could you also provide an image of the drivers page?

What USB devices do you have plugged in?

Could you also provide an image of the drivers page?

What USB devices do you have plugged in?
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jp_Could you also provide an image of the drivers page?

Let me know if you need me to sort it in a certain way or scroll down further
http://i.imgur.com/v0I9xkR.png

Also re: USB devices.
Mouse, Keyboard, Webcam, and USB Snowball Mic

[quote=jp_]Could you also provide an image of the drivers page?[/quote]
Let me know if you need me to sort it in a certain way or scroll down further
http://i.imgur.com/v0I9xkR.png

Also re: USB devices.
Mouse, Keyboard, Webcam, and USB Snowball Mic
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Were you using the same drivers on your old mobo?/ have you tried a different version of your sound driver? Believe it or not sound is a real cpu hog and the driver could be the one causing your troubles. Not saying it is without a doubt but its within the range of the possibilities.

Were you using the same drivers on your old mobo?/ have you tried a different version of your sound driver? Believe it or not sound is a real cpu hog and the driver could be the one causing your troubles. Not saying it is without a doubt but its within the range of the possibilities.
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How is the lag when you remove the webcam and mic.

How is the lag when you remove the webcam and mic.
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Run a full virus check, to rule that out as a possibility.

Run a full virus check, to rule that out as a possibility.
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DZKWere you using the same drivers on your old mobo?/ have you tried a different version of your sound driver? Believe it or not sound is a real cpu hog and the driver could be the one causing your troubles. Not saying it is without a doubt but its within the range of the possibilities.

I've installed the sound driver from both realtek's website, and directly from my motherboard's drivers page.

jp_How is the lag when you remove the webcam and mic.

Lag not occurring when I removed my webcam and mic. Trying to recreate lag right now. Plugged mic back in. LatencyMon still shows heavy CPU0 usage and the main page still looks like that first screenshot I posted.

WaldoRun a full virus check, to rule that out as a possibility.

Updated OP with other stuff I remembered I did

[quote=DZK]Were you using the same drivers on your old mobo?/ have you tried a different version of your sound driver? Believe it or not sound is a real cpu hog and the driver could be the one causing your troubles. Not saying it is without a doubt but its within the range of the possibilities.[/quote]
I've installed the sound driver from both realtek's website, and directly from my motherboard's drivers page.

[quote=jp_]How is the lag when you remove the webcam and mic.[/quote]
Lag not occurring when I removed my webcam and mic. Trying to recreate lag right now. Plugged mic back in. LatencyMon still shows heavy CPU0 usage and the main page still looks like that first screenshot I posted.

[quote=Waldo]Run a full virus check, to rule that out as a possibility.[/quote]
Updated OP with other stuff I remembered I did
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drakLag not occurring when I removed my webcam and mic. Trying to recreate lag right now. Plugged mic back in. LatencyMon still shows heavy CPU0 usage and the main page still looks like that first screenshot I posted.

How many usb ports do you have? Try different ports and don't forget to remove installed drivers as you move them. (howtogeek)

I think your webcam mic and snowball mic isn't playing nice.

[quote=drak]
Lag not occurring when I removed my webcam and mic. Trying to recreate lag right now. Plugged mic back in. LatencyMon still shows heavy CPU0 usage and the main page still looks like that first screenshot I posted.[/quote]
How many usb ports do you have? Try different ports and don't forget to remove installed drivers as you move them. ([url=www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/remove-old-drivers-after-upgrading-to-new-hardware/]howtogeek[/url])

I think your webcam mic and snowball mic isn't playing nice.
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Have you tried using another VoIP program such as TS3 or Ventrilo? I am wondering if those would have the same effect.

Have you tried using another VoIP program such as TS3 or Ventrilo? I am wondering if those would have the same effect.
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jp_drakLag not occurring when I removed my webcam and mic. Trying to recreate lag right now. Plugged mic back in. LatencyMon still shows heavy CPU0 usage and the main page still looks like that first screenshot I posted.How many usb ports do you have? Try different ports and don't forget to remove installed drivers as you move them. (howtogeek)

I think your webcam mic and snowball mic isn't playing nice.

I know where they're plugged in, what can I do to install drivers for the right ones?
There're a couple different sections. 2 USB3, two blue ones at the top for some reason, and 4 default. All in the back. I have mouse/keyboard in the USB3 ones, and the snowball in the regular. Webcam is now unplugged, issue persists.

After running for 5-10 minutes now, issue is getting worse. I might have to restart as is. Anything worth trying before restarting?

Also re: other software. Happens with both vent and ts as well.

[quote=jp_][quote=drak]
Lag not occurring when I removed my webcam and mic. Trying to recreate lag right now. Plugged mic back in. LatencyMon still shows heavy CPU0 usage and the main page still looks like that first screenshot I posted.[/quote]
How many usb ports do you have? Try different ports and don't forget to remove installed drivers as you move them. ([url=www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/remove-old-drivers-after-upgrading-to-new-hardware/]howtogeek[/url])

I think your webcam mic and snowball mic isn't playing nice.[/quote]
I know where they're plugged in, what can I do to install drivers for the right ones?
There're a couple different sections. 2 USB3, two blue ones at the top for some reason, and 4 default. All in the back. I have mouse/keyboard in the USB3 ones, and the snowball in the regular. Webcam is now unplugged, issue persists.

After running for 5-10 minutes now, issue is getting worse. I might have to restart as is. Anything worth trying before restarting?



Also re: other software. Happens with both vent and ts as well.
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Also, I'm downloading the USB drivers off this page to try that before the restart:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77%20Extreme4/?cat=Download&os=Win764

Also, I'm downloading the USB drivers off this page to try that before the restart:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z77%20Extreme4/?cat=Download&os=Win764
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So I guess it really was a USB port problem. I'll report back if there are any more issues, but so far, it looks like either updating USB drivers or *not* using the top two ports was the solution.

Many thanks jp_!

So I guess it really was a USB port problem. I'll report back if there are any more issues, but so far, it looks like either updating USB drivers or *not* using the top two ports was the solution.

Many thanks jp_!
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