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Ban Pred and Degu v2
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http://www.teamfortress.tv/49001/ban-pred-and-degu

This was locked as the thread surpassed 17 pages and for some reason the tftv site doesn't support 17 pages with a button on that thread (likely because we had to nuke 50+ shitposts). So i started a new thread to carry things on, sorry for the awkward hiccup of the site.

If you posted a reply around the 17 page mark, it has been scrapped sadly, but looking at what was lost, it was nothing major

http://www.teamfortress.tv/49001/ban-pred-and-degu

This was locked as the thread surpassed 17 pages and for some reason the tftv site doesn't support 17 pages with a button on that thread (likely because we had to nuke 50+ shitposts). So i started a new thread to carry things on, sorry for the awkward hiccup of the site.

If you posted a reply around the 17 page mark, it has been scrapped sadly, but looking at what was lost, it was nothing major
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Sequels are always a good idea

Sequels are always a good idea
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#3
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Top 10 most anticipated sequels of 2018

Top 10 most anticipated sequels of 2018
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Wait, the open thread has 44 pages right now...

Wait, the open thread has 44 pages right now...
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#5
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hard pill to swallow: free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without consequences

hard pill to swallow: free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without consequences
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#6
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Turbo trying to get those juicy upvotes

Turbo trying to get those juicy upvotes
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#7
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or you could lock it and not open a new one :/

or you could lock it and not open a new one :/
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catman1900hard pill to swallow: free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without consequences

i just wanna know who becomes in charge of deciding what's offensive and what's not.

as an exaggerated example if i call my friend ugly in chat am i now banned or am i missing the point? seems like it could derail very quickly.. the whole process would be very subjective

[quote=catman1900]hard pill to swallow: free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without consequences[/quote]

i just wanna know who becomes in charge of deciding what's offensive and what's not.

as an exaggerated example if i call my friend ugly in chat am i now banned or am i missing the point? seems like it could derail very quickly.. the whole process would be very subjective
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#9
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No need for more discussion, everyone has had more than enough time to be an edgy boi, virtue signal how good they are and start some witch hunts.

No need for more discussion, everyone has had more than enough time to be an edgy boi, virtue signal how good they are and start some witch hunts.
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faust_catman1900hard pill to swallow: free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without consequences
i just wanna know who becomes in charge of deciding what's offensive and what's not.

as an exaggerated example if i call my friend ugly in chat am i now banned or am i missing the point? seems like it could derail very quickly.. the whole process would be very subjective

You could say that about any 'justice system', anywhere, ever.

[quote=faust_][quote=catman1900]hard pill to swallow: free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without consequences[/quote]

i just wanna know who becomes in charge of deciding what's offensive and what's not.

as an exaggerated example if i call my friend ugly in chat am i now banned or am i missing the point? seems like it could derail very quickly.. the whole process would be very subjective[/quote]

You could say that about any 'justice system', anywhere, ever.
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#11
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I will repost the "Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company."

I don't mean to specifically target getawhale but it's a good example of why I believe things are the way that they are as of late.

I am in no way perfect and can be equally accused of saying very dumb shit, but I can sleep sound at night knowing there have been dmixes where I have told people to shut up about certain topics.

I will repost the "Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company."

I don't mean to specifically target getawhale but it's a good [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFzvXtEzz6A]example[/url] of why I believe things are the way that they are as of late.

I am in no way perfect and can be equally accused of saying very dumb shit, but I can sleep sound at night knowing there have been dmixes where I have told people to shut up about certain topics.
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faust_catman1900hard pill to swallow: free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without consequences
i just wanna know who becomes in charge of deciding what's offensive and what's not.

as an exaggerated example if i call my friend ugly in chat am i now banned or am i missing the point? seems like it could derail very quickly.. the whole process would be very subjective

Intent and context matter. calling your friend ugly and calling a community member controversial slurs aren't even comparable in the slightest, the line is more defined than you think it is. Nobody sensible is asking for on-the-spot bans of any remotely bad behavior, just a system of monitoring and stepping in when it's clearly gone too far. Social media harassment and repeated patterns of behavior are telltale signs that it's no longer a joke but clearly a person who doesn't belong in the community.

[quote=faust_][quote=catman1900]hard pill to swallow: free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without consequences[/quote]

i just wanna know who becomes in charge of deciding what's offensive and what's not.

as an exaggerated example if i call my friend ugly in chat am i now banned or am i missing the point? seems like it could derail very quickly.. the whole process would be very subjective[/quote]

Intent and context matter. calling your friend ugly and calling a community member controversial slurs aren't even comparable in the slightest, the line is more defined than you think it is. Nobody sensible is asking for on-the-spot bans of any remotely bad behavior, just a system of monitoring and stepping in when it's clearly gone too far. Social media harassment and repeated patterns of behavior are telltale signs that it's no longer a joke but clearly a person who doesn't belong in the community.
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It's actually so easy to not be an asshole, especially to people you don't really know. I don't get what's complicated about that.

It's actually so easy to not be an asshole, especially to people you don't really know. I don't get what's complicated about that.
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faust_catman1900hard pill to swallow: free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without consequences
i just wanna know who becomes in charge of deciding what's offensive and what's not.

as an exaggerated example if i call my friend ugly in chat am i now banned or am i missing the point? seems like it could derail very quickly.. the whole process would be very subjective

Slippery slope fallacy. No one is getting banned for stuff like that.

[quote=faust_][quote=catman1900]hard pill to swallow: free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without consequences[/quote]

i just wanna know who becomes in charge of deciding what's offensive and what's not.

as an exaggerated example if i call my friend ugly in chat am i now banned or am i missing the point? seems like it could derail very quickly.. the whole process would be very subjective[/quote]

Slippery slope fallacy. No one is getting banned for stuff like that.
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i always knew getawhale was /ourguy/

i always knew getawhale was /ourguy/
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eu players turning on eachother

dont u guys see this is what the b4nny wants

eu players turning on eachother

dont u guys see this is what the b4nny wants
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#17
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in that thread there was nothing except cis white kids getting angry because they don't want to be held responsible for being transphobic, sexist or racist

the difference between calling someone a tranny and calling someone ugly is pretty large

or calling someone the hard r and calling someone stupid

making sexual abuse jokes at expense of the victim is also pretty fucked

thats not the type of thread that warrants 500 posts

in that thread there was nothing except cis white kids getting angry because they don't want to be held responsible for being transphobic, sexist or racist

the difference between calling someone a tranny and calling someone ugly is pretty large

or calling someone the hard r and calling someone stupid

making sexual abuse jokes at expense of the victim is also pretty fucked

thats not the type of thread that warrants 500 posts
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Tino_Slippery slope fallacy. No one is getting banned for stuff like that.

um yea? because no one has been getting banned for saying slurs, as is the purpose for these threads? i mean in the future, as in yet to happen.

[quote=Tino_]Slippery slope fallacy. No one is getting banned for stuff like that.[/quote]

um yea? because no one has been getting banned for saying slurs, as is the purpose for these threads? i mean in the future, as in yet to happen.
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Stylaxfaust_catman1900hard pill to swallow: free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without consequences
i just wanna know who becomes in charge of deciding what's offensive and what's not.

as an exaggerated example if i call my friend ugly in chat am i now banned or am i missing the point? seems like it could derail very quickly.. the whole process would be very subjective

You could say that about any 'justice system', anywhere, ever.

I think what he's saying is where is the line. Let's stop talking about freedom of speech and shit and actually move this conversation into what is and isn't allowed. Give a rough draft of words you think shouldn't be allowed instead of leaving to the the ambiguity of don't be a dickhead

[quote=Stylax][quote=faust_][quote=catman1900]hard pill to swallow: free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without consequences[/quote]

i just wanna know who becomes in charge of deciding what's offensive and what's not.

as an exaggerated example if i call my friend ugly in chat am i now banned or am i missing the point? seems like it could derail very quickly.. the whole process would be very subjective[/quote]

You could say that about any 'justice system', anywhere, ever.[/quote]
I think what he's saying is where is the line. Let's stop talking about freedom of speech and shit and actually move this conversation into what is and isn't allowed. Give a rough draft of words you think shouldn't be allowed instead of leaving to the the ambiguity of don't be a dickhead
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faust_Tino_Slippery slope fallacy. No one is getting banned for stuff like that.
um yea? because no one has been getting banned for saying slurs, as is the purpose for these threads? i mean in the future, as in yet to happen.

I don't understand this comment. This thread is meant to shine light upon this issue among other things isn't it? And Pred's one of the people that now has been banned for shit like this, right?

[quote=faust_][quote=Tino_]Slippery slope fallacy. No one is getting banned for stuff like that.[/quote]

um yea? because no one has been getting banned for saying slurs, as is the purpose for these threads? i mean in the future, as in yet to happen.[/quote]

I don't understand this comment. This thread is meant to shine light upon this issue among other things isn't it? And Pred's one of the people that now has been banned for shit like this, right?
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ReflectoStylaxfaust_catman1900hard pill to swallow: free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without consequences
i just wanna know who becomes in charge of deciding what's offensive and what's not.

as an exaggerated example if i call my friend ugly in chat am i now banned or am i missing the point? seems like it could derail very quickly.. the whole process would be very subjective

You could say that about any 'justice system', anywhere, ever.
I think what he's saying is where is the line. Let's stop talking about freedom of speech and shit and actually move this conversation into what is and isn't allowed. Give a rough draft of words you think shouldn't be allowed instead of leaving to the the ambiguity of don't be a dickhead

It's just common sense imo.

But that's me done on the topic.

[quote=Reflecto][quote=Stylax][quote=faust_][quote=catman1900]hard pill to swallow: free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without consequences[/quote]

i just wanna know who becomes in charge of deciding what's offensive and what's not.

as an exaggerated example if i call my friend ugly in chat am i now banned or am i missing the point? seems like it could derail very quickly.. the whole process would be very subjective[/quote]

You could say that about any 'justice system', anywhere, ever.[/quote]
I think what he's saying is where is the line. Let's stop talking about freedom of speech and shit and actually move this conversation into what is and isn't allowed. Give a rough draft of words you think shouldn't be allowed instead of leaving to the the ambiguity of don't be a dickhead[/quote]

It's just common sense imo.

But that's me done on the topic.
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https://twitter.com/doomsday__exe/status/1026882129135894529

https://twitter.com/doomsday__exe/status/1026882129135894529
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Doomsdayexehttps://twitter.com/doomsday__exe/status/1026882129135894529

Small TF2 YouTubers like you have to be some of the most irrelevant and uninformed people in this community, hahahahaha.

edit: nice hOmOpHoBic discord name btw, that you posted yourself on twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkAZiKCWsAAdzrN.jpg:large

[quote=Doomsdayexe]https://twitter.com/doomsday__exe/status/1026882129135894529[/quote]

Small TF2 YouTubers like you have to be some of the most irrelevant and uninformed people in this community, hahahahaha.

edit: nice hOmOpHoBic discord name btw, that you posted yourself on twitter:

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkAZiKCWsAAdzrN.jpg:large[/img]
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MakDoomsdayexehttps://twitter.com/doomsday__exe/status/1026882129135894529
Small TF2 YouTubers like you have to be some of the most irrelevant and uninformed people in this community, hahahahaha.

seconding this

[quote=Mak][quote=Doomsdayexe]https://twitter.com/doomsday__exe/status/1026882129135894529[/quote]

Small TF2 YouTubers like you have to be some of the most irrelevant and uninformed people in this community, hahahahaha.[/quote]

seconding this
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#25
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There is no reason for this thread to exist if you actually care about changing the community; we already have had the relevant discussion needed to get community leaders to start changing. All you are going to get now are people attempting to either justify their actions, claiming what they are doing isn't harrassment, and other various vitriol from people.

There is no reason for this thread to exist if you actually care about changing the community; we already have had the relevant discussion needed to get community leaders to start changing. All you are going to get now are people attempting to either justify their actions, claiming what they are doing [i]isn't[/i] harrassment, and other various vitriol from people.
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#26
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Doomsdayexehttps://twitter.com/doomsday__exe/status/1026882129135894529

who hurt you

[quote=Doomsdayexe]https://twitter.com/doomsday__exe/status/1026882129135894529[/quote]
who hurt you
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#27
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ReflectoStylaxfaust_catman1900hard pill to swallow: free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without consequences
i just wanna know who becomes in charge of deciding what's offensive and what's not.

as an exaggerated example if i call my friend ugly in chat am i now banned or am i missing the point? seems like it could derail very quickly.. the whole process would be very subjective

You could say that about any 'justice system', anywhere, ever.
I think what he's saying is where is the line. Let's stop talking about freedom of speech and shit and actually move this conversation into what is and isn't allowed. Give a rough draft of words you think shouldn't be allowed instead of leaving to the the ambiguity of don't be a dickhead

kindergarteners need a "list of bad words," dude. you should know by now what words are racist, homophobic, or transphobic

[quote=Reflecto][quote=Stylax][quote=faust_][quote=catman1900]hard pill to swallow: free speech doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without consequences[/quote]

i just wanna know who becomes in charge of deciding what's offensive and what's not.

as an exaggerated example if i call my friend ugly in chat am i now banned or am i missing the point? seems like it could derail very quickly.. the whole process would be very subjective[/quote]

You could say that about any 'justice system', anywhere, ever.[/quote]
I think what he's saying is where is the line. Let's stop talking about freedom of speech and shit and actually move this conversation into what is and isn't allowed. Give a rough draft of words you think shouldn't be allowed instead of leaving to the the ambiguity of don't be a dickhead[/quote]

kindergarteners need a "list of bad words," dude. you should know by now what words are racist, homophobic, or transphobic
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Wandumwho hurt you

comp players who stomp him on pubs lololo

[quote=Wandum]who hurt you[/quote]

comp players who stomp him on pubs lololo
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MakWandumwho hurt you
comp players who stomp him on pubs lololo

b4nny dominated all 9 players in our showmatch and i've never been the same since

also, i apologise if the meme was in bad-taste, i'm not genuinely implying that every competitive player is a bigot

[quote=Mak][quote=Wandum]who hurt you[/quote]

comp players who stomp him on pubs lololo[/quote]

b4nny dominated all 9 players in our showmatch and i've never been the same since

also, i apologise if the meme was in bad-taste, i'm not genuinely implying that every competitive player is a bigot
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Stochast1cThere is no reason for this thread to exist if you actually care about changing the community; we already have had the relevant discussion needed to get community leaders to start changing.

disagree
this isn't about community leaders needing to change this is a pretty common issue not just limited to TF2
we need to keep talking about this stuff if there is to be real, meaningful, widespread change

[quote=Stochast1c]There is no reason for this thread to exist if you actually care about changing the community; we already have had the relevant discussion needed to get community leaders to start changing. [/quote]
disagree
this isn't about community leaders needing to change this is a pretty common issue not just limited to TF2
we need to keep talking about this stuff if there is to be real, meaningful, widespread change
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