very wishful thinking, most of the people aren't that patient, you start doing some stupid shit and you get shittalked, it's not good but it is what it is

honestly i've tried running highlander pugs as in hl.tf2pickup.us in NA and it worked for some time and it had some success but i think the reasons why it was a thing was because:
- some people disliked people who ran rgl pugs A LOT like they were openly unhappy about it
- rgl pugs didn't work at all or there were serious issues with their operations (which seems to be fixed now)
- no fatkidding

however when rgl pugs started working normally people moved back to playing these simply because more people were gathering up there and after like 2 months of no games i've closed the site because i saw no meaning in maintaining the operation, meanwhile i was thinking of hosting tf2pickup.us but after this i kinda gave up cuz i thought that na 6v6 people are happy with what they have so this service is basically not needed
however, if there is an actual interest from the community we could make it happen, i just need to see that people really want it and we could do something about it
the big difficulty is getting admins to maintain the site and getting actually trusted people, i strongly empathize on the latter because i am extremely happy about what kind of admin team i have for eu pugs as i know they have a good intent for the matter

this is the exact reason why skill values for all players aren't public on tf2pickup.eu as it prevents people from e-dick size competitions and people actually focus more on the game than getting better/worse elo

there is one thing in this topic which this dude probably brought up:
https://etf2l.org/2024/03/22/6v6-season-47-spring-2024-provisonal-tiers-and-whitelist-plugin-rule-updates/

if etf2l is siding with prem player opinions in the first place, why asking about the general audience about an opinion at all if it doesn't matter anyway?
siding with people who have the most of experience in the game and best understanding of it in a competitive setting is fair (actually i was enforcing this idea when i was an etf2l league admin myself) but this was a spit in the face of people who thought they could make a change by voting, eventually getting their votes disregarded
i guess etf2l wanted to see an opinion of the community but i feel like it was potrayed in a way if they choose A and it gets majority it just gets applied, i think you get this already

the rest is just one-sided opinion and as others said bad faith arguments about the changes being made, because the arguments why the change is being made was presented in the post update, but then people just forget it was made in some post some months ago and think all of these whitelist changes are shoved from someone's ass while all of them are result of some problematic situation or aspect in the game which had its own spotlight in the past like playing with double backpack or idk vaccinator (very old ban)

zesty jesus is a guy who can't accept that people can be better at the game he loves than him like many pub players and call like majority of comp players names because they are so sweaty and kill him in a game where the main thing is killing players in the opposing team!!! (j_peg situation with him getting dunked on a pub)
he has played one season of highlander in amateur and has an opinion about every single aspect of competitive you can ever imagine based on his extensive experience
and that is a viewpoint which is repeated by cringetopians who can't develop an opinion of their own based on some actual competitive experience, so they take his takes as their own which eventually creates a bad look for competitive overall

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/939248355119442986/086BEB9C286A2F2BC0290135777233CF644C4D87/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

looks like na wonder > eu wonder

cu@

yeah it could a bit (for server hostings) but the problem is that atm most of the sourcemod stuff on 64-bit doesn't work so there is no sense in playing on them

looks like we've done the same exact work in the meanwhile
i've managed to get the .exe like it's in lawena, could anyone test it it works?
https://c.supra.tf/s/lawena-x64
(at least one of the two packages should work, probably stable one)

@Bv what i've figured out is that the initial author used launch4j to generate an executable so what i did was to install the latest release https://sourceforge.net/projects/launch4j/files/launch4j-3/3.50/launch4j-3.50-win32.exe/download and add this in build.gradle at the top:

def launch4j = "C:\\Program Files (x86)\\Launch4j\\launch4jc.exe"

then

gradlew.bat build

and there u go, exe in zip

https://github.com/quanticc/lawena-recording-tool/blob/v4.1.x/src/main/java/lwrt/CLWindows.java
at minimum this file must be changed as it mentions an old tf2 executable, not sure if more, worth testing
+ app recompile after change

update: https://www.teamfortress.tv/post/1096214/lawena-64-bit-fix

i miss brock

LG Ultragear 27GP850-B seems to be inexpensive and good option with 1440p and 180hz after overclocking, i have a couple of these panels
it's IPS so it's not 1 ms delay (if you enable actual 1ms, screen tearing is unbearable) but it has great colors and HDR (nice for single games)
27GP950* is the same model but 4k instead of 2k
this screen is 1649 PLN so something like 385 EUR
i am pretty sure if narkkari notices this thread he will be able to throw some potentially better recommendations because he is following all screen related news on the market

OLED is leagues ahead from other screens but i doubt most people would like to buy a screen for 1200-1300 EUR
the best screens on the market has features to somewhat circumvent this burning pixel effect but it's quite experimental so it's kinda risky to these i feel

mad respect for that, i wish more orgs were transparent like this

RGL run a website written in ASP.NET, not sure if Core or not, but if not, then they must host it on a machine with Windows Server which is obnoxiously expensive compared to hosting things on Linux
depending on if you maintain a Windows license yourself or you use pay as you use option, prices will differ
in pay as you use case it's at least twice more expensive if not thrice when comparing to a machine with Linux with exact same specification (vCPU, RAM, disk, network throughput etc)

here is some nerd stuff about real disk usage
etf2l use this: https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box/ for demos storage and it costs 3.20 EUR/mo/net for ONE TERABYTE of data
5 TB costs 20.80 EUR/mo/net which is something which definitely would cover all needs for demos for RGL and ETF2L together for many years with current policies, not entirely with demo upload enforcement for every player, in that case it would be enough for one league to run out of space without any retention (removal of old files) for a few years
after the server failure in 2019 we lost all demos on etf2l historically and after keeping all of the new ones we have:

Filesystem                                Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
xd.your-storagebox.de:/home  1.0T  140G  885G  14% /mnt/external-storage

meaning etf2l will die faster than this storage gets entirely full
you have to keep in mind that each season only stv demos has to be uploaded from each game, demos usually have idk ~100 MB (after compression) per match and you have like idk 80 matches a season in prem? + we keep demos from requested demos by the etf2l staff and players

on average around the same for each player if they were forced to upload demos, so assuming the worst scenario which is highlander, you have 1.8 GB per match, for 6s it would be 1.2 GB per match
ETF2L 6v6 Autumn 2023 had something around 300 matches in non-top tier, ~115 top-tier
that gives us around 500 GB per 6v6 season and probably something similiar to hl considering less players are involved in that overall, also less teams so less matches to play
you don't have to keep these demos forever, it's enough to keep it for a season or two
it can be more costly but it's definitely not something impossible to do, for etf2l it would mean it wouldn't live without anybody donating it from time to time but it's not like you won't be able to take advantage of this sort of solution
etf2l server costs € 15.85/mo net (with backups) + 3.20 EUR/mo/net + $12.98/yr for domain renewal + a few eur/mo for mail service because afaik it's paid
staff isn't paid anything for work, so it's around 28 EUR/mo gross to run ETF2L right now

what is needed here is willingness to put work into making it happen and enforcing demo upload

edit: added backup price
the devil is in details; these disks which are with vps/dedicated servers are usually ssd (hot, fast storage, pricey) and these on external services like we use are usually enterprise-grade hard drives (cold, slow storage, cheap) and connected thru network protocol which means we have a latency, but it's completely acceptable for files you don't have to access immediately

etf2l has the same problem and based on my knowledge the main problem about having AC admins are:
- nobody wants to do this shit
- it's time consuming to watch demos carefully
- (afaik) no good tools to catch so most likely it's based on assessing player's behaviour manually
- if you ban a liked player in the community you are very likely to be harassed/doxxed/disrespected in the community regardless if the cheating was evident or not (sometimes)
- some people who apply to AC have questionable intentions, for example after AC have banned someone on ETF2L, cheater's friend sent an application to the staff email, this situation had place multiple times
- there is no incentive for people to apply other than taking a proper care of the way league works, people appreciate work when they see fruits of it and AC work is entirely behind curtain, hard to be transparent

offering money is probably not an option because idk how much money RGL has but ETF2L has no money and it barely lives on its own, it lives thanks to all donators and some money from adsense
also if you are supposed to get idk 20 eur/mo for many many hours throughout the month if you look at it purely financially it's not good unless ur a school kid

rgl ac full admin list isn't public, but the problem with ac exists in eu too; there are two ac admins where there are idk 700-800 people actively playing on etf2l, that means there might be a huge backlog of cases to go thru and it can be a problem here to take care of it properly

i don't say we can't say anything negative at ac administration overall; however when dealing with them you should take on account the situation as a whole

why tf it was up in the recent discussion ._. sry for necro