i dont think engis really use those things though not even the gunslinger ones. comp ones do, but the pub ones just sit behind and let the game play for them, which is why when u go to fight one they will consistently miss all 6 shots cause they rarely use it despite the slow move speed

the DF isn't even that much harder to aim than the regular, you can still miss and hit, you've just gotta be consciously shooting someone and twice. it still has an extremely low skill ceiling that wont transfer to anything other than being aware youre shooting a target i guess

idc about them being viable to 6s but they should have transferable skills in some way or form, doesnt have to be aiming but ofc thats the obvious one. they can do the same shit they do now as roles in the game, idc, but at least transfer to other classes or even other games.

theres too many players in this game with 1-4k hours who have the skill and understanding of a player who has played for 100. ppl who have like 500 on classes like engi are basically just wasting their time and making no progression what so ever. i think its the main issue why theres so many pubbers and not that many people who follow comp in some way, not because awareness or rigid class things or anythimg like that. they say its how 'stale' it is, but really couldnt play even if they wanted to cause they rly never learned the basics of the game, then use that as an excuse or pretend the white-list is as restrictive as it was, which is why there wasnt any noticable increase of players once it was reduced to how ever many unlocks there are.
its the same shit for medic, pyro; heavy and spy (now theres none of them are gonna use the amby), which is the majority of the classes in the game.

if we didnt have those classes, perception in the wider community of Gamers would be the opposite of what it was now, probably like overwatch but not easy and free money and shit, which would lead to more players which would lead to more money in the game, etc.

HAH classic ignorant response from someone that doesnt understand gaming. Get rekt upon dude. Gamers IQ too high for you I guess

stfu dude we are gamers, we are a community and we are strong. your cruel words will not tear us down

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all i do is play tf2 and watch anime

how could this happen? hopefully someone brings this tyrant down and justice prevails

i guess you didnt see dark necrids vid where he runs in a straight line at ppl in a difficult area to push, flailing around in circles and gets like 8 ppl killed for it. kind of reminds me of that carpet phlog vid, but obv not as powerful. but that got a buff too right? so imagine this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PZhVFBMd260 @ 2:45, today. he'd probably kill the soldier and medics behind too i guess but i guess thats just balanced and skillful etc. those heavies, 3 of them, were all out of position and shit and got outplayed. that same design got buffed

or the jediflamaster vid where hes killing the scout by flailing at the same speed a 3 shot would. the scout never fires a fourth shot. ofc hes playing the matchup wrong by running forward into it and not pussying away, which he could do for 4 shots, take no damage and then move in for a 2 shot if the pyro didnt die to the 4, which is boring for both, just the same boring approach to the same boring fight, but ofc scout v pyro mge is stupid anyway.

idk why youre talking shit about 'flex' like it wasn't already common knowledge that the new pyro doesnt do anything new tor 6s, apart from maybe that cherry picked swelan clip. im sure were all talking about casual which is the only thing this shit pertains to anyway and i guess HL but idk about tha shit

if we assume the pyro isnt some guy who just installed the game, and was one of those pyro mains with da MLP avatar and unusual circling hearts hat, u kno the type, if youre in their range, theyre gonna hit you. jediflamasters gonna hit u every time... we'll community fund u to come to europe to feel his flames... so now u got 2 options. 1. actually 3 shot him, but live with 20 Hp or less and die to after burn while he just spawned or 2. pussy away and while youre doing that be vulnerable to the other 11 ppl who will now shoot you in the back

so thats why the range is a retarded way to balance. idk why the mongos keep saying that range shit like thats a proper effective way to balance any wep. or like how i usually die to it where im fighting 3 ppl in front, taking no damage cause theyre pubbers and then get ran over by 1 from behind who insta kills me

the last time i played tf2, the guy top scoring by far on harvest was doing phlog and jet pack, jetpacks to the point and just phlogs it cause its like a small house where nothing can touch it. ofc i didnt die to it, but all my mongo team did and if i were to stop it id have to do 30 damage shots at range while the other ppl on his team were shooting my back.

no ones said it was OP, but isnt that just a stupid way to die?

but overall, theyre not gonna change this shit anyway. the update was too hyped and the initial reaction was so mixed cause a lot of people just want to be happy about it cause they had high hopes, when really this update was garbage. it was probably the most well received update ever, in which it was mixed, so i guess valve feel pretty good about making the game stupider on multiple levels now. its not rly something to care about though cause it doesnt effect it THAT much but its still facking stupid

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great discovery. ive forwaded this info to my team members and can't wait to implement it in our snakewater gameplay.

ill sort this out rest assured

elo is fine. its annoying how the round restarts so frequently, but i get the server needs restarting. it just happens more than any other server. its also annoying how u need to be clicking around in spec, otherwise u dont get to play the arena. afk time needs to be increased

out of all maps i enjoyed playing turbine the most in the season i played

idk why this guy wants ppl to play it though, if the intention is to get them back into the league, thats just not going to happen cause the game is already too far in to just have new gamemodes in the map pool. he didnt mention he wanted to, but thats the only reason i assume he wants it played

no ones going to be able to really tell you how to do it in a forum post because its just 'feeling' you develop, as in youre not even consciously thinking and its working more than it used to. i guess its just being able to anticipate where theyre going to shoot the rocket and reacting ahead of time, but don't think youre not going to get hit because any good soldier is going to hit you no matter how 'unpredictable' you are, and its about using that rocket to fight him or some shit.

but thats all bullshit because i don't think you can put it into words. theres lots of things you can do and ways you can take the matchup. you can just never jump and be as effective as someone just spamming space bar, for example. whats most important is that you hit everything though, vs any level of soldier on any map. its all about who kills who first, obviously, and depending where you spawn and where they are, the class who has the advantage to kill faster easier changes, so does your approach to the fight.

the way i learned was just throw myself at soldiers in ammomod until i unconsciously worked out how to do it. i picked ammomod as a place to learn because its the hardest place to play it (soldiers have a huge advantage), youre only going to have soldiers join, unlike viaduct/bad mid etc which means theres no stupid crying over who is playing what class, there's no way for you to hide or play gay so youre always playing correctly, youre going to always be juggled and hit because of how easy it is for the soldier to do it, so youre always getting used to being thrown in the air and learn ways to deal with it etc.

its also really easy on the ego, if thats an issue with you, because its never embarrassing losing vs a soldier on that map, but kind of impressive and shit. like if i had below 70 ping constant and lost there i'd be embarrassed. its so one sided that i can hold my own vs IM/invite scouts that are much better than me on 130-150 ping, but any other map i'd be lucky if i got 10 with that ping vs those same scouts. so you've really got nothing to lose, not like you do anyway.

but thats just how i learned. even from just playing that map, i'm confident vs soldiers in any scenario i guess because of how general and difficult it is.

you can just run at soldiers on top of trains for ages and if you try enough things and don't miss you'll just work out what the right shit to do is, which is a combination of a lot of shit. playing in europe, thats all youre going to get, because regular MGE EU people don't really get soldier v scout for some reason. they would much rather play soldier v soldier viaduct mid or soldier v soldier gran last cause theyre idiots i guess. even though sitting on the train is the least productive and easiest thing to do, 90 percent of public MGE EU soldiers are gonna do it cause they know nothing else. but yeah, if you play properly you'll get it eventually.

watch better scouts. b4nny streams this matchup everyday vs ppl trying their hardest to embarass him. you can see how to deal with that, and soldiers in general just by watching that, and its gonna be better insight than anyone in this thread can give.

hopefully soon ive been waiting for it ever since

edit: ohh shit i didnt see someone linked it fuck yes im excited

ANOTHER edit: hes a facking genius