u just gotta aim to kill them with the least ammount of ammo as u possibly can. its not like other maps where there are strats and places to hide. the only strat is just to do things that are unnatural such as spawning and only doing long strafes at the fence because its unusual and doesn't really make any sense, which confuses the other guy into moving in a way that isn't effecient like pressing w into someone who is holding their ground and not varying their position, but aaaadddd-ing and if you arent a potato that usually results in a free 100 damage rocket and then its just a case of juggling.

but once ur doing that shit its just not fun and u arent really doing anything but trying to win and make a map that has a lot of potential to be fun into a really boring spam fest. in a lot of ways ammomod even as soldier v soldier is very similar to scout v scout

wats also intresting about this map is that it plays completley differently depending on where you are playing. surfing in america pretty much never happens and it doesnt really have to because the hardest people to beat, instead of doing what most high elo euro do which is what i previously mentioned, americans walk into you, so you are pretty much always at 100 damage direct range whereas in europe ur always at like 40 damage range so u gotta play accordingly. instead of walking into the free directs that euros will make u play into, u pretty much have to surf and if u do it right then it doesn't matter but in NA where i guess u are its just a matter of dealong witb being juggled which u get used to over time like i find i hit more headshot rockets in NA even tho i have 150 ping just cause i got used to it and as well as their playstyles allow for things like that

LMAFO

soft style is the best man

everything in the game should be balanced at every level and in every gamemode and its 100% possible and not even hard. like gunboats or scout (i kno a lot of ppl will have trouble understanding that one, but i dont mind explaining)

in the situation where gink was in house and insta kills thalash, hes outnumbered, has 18 hp and in some retarded situation but still manages to kill someone

even after gink had died

and theres a health pack like right there but it was so fast that despite the scouts move speed he couldnt even reach it, and thats thalash, not some pub scout, hes better than u as well as most of these stupid ass clips happening to the best team in europe but i guess they just lack the skills u do

now thats a cherry picked situation cause its bat shit retarded thats even happening, but the point is that it could happen and some kind of retardation happens all the time now that people are just switching to pyro at random times without any thought usually just because they are bored and then end up reflecting a rocket into a med with uber or killing like 3 people without really understanding what they're doing themselves, they're just bored and walking forward

these ppl making these vids arent trying to show us how they out brained the other team, gink and dark necrid and all the other ppl making these vids are just showing all the dumb and shitty stuff u can just get away with now

if this update came out in 2009 tf2 wouldn't of got to where it is today, not only because of what its done to 6s but mainly what its done to pubs. the reason why my last post was significant was because pubbers have gotten worse like a lot worse because they rely on this shit a lot more and they end up with like -6 k/ds and struggle and rage in chat when their shit doesn't work. when i was pubbing and shit it wasn't like that at all and ppl were always trying to do new shit like new rocket jumps and trick stabs what have u but now if you pub and u see someone doing that its just a competitive player u recognise from somewhere else.

wat this leads to is no players coming to play comp because they understand that they aren't good enough to despite knowing what comp is now. the average pubber now knows what comp is most likely because as a youtuber and twitch streamer b4nny has pretty much replaced the role star_ had, moreso on twitch, like if u have the word like 'b4nny' in your name or 'lft', a pubber nowadays will know what that is and understand that you are a comp level player and thats how they understand why you're better, but if u don't and you're doing well, you're a hacker, because the skillfloor of the pubber has decreased by that much.

and ofc, the perception of the game changes when people see all this dumb shit happening. people have kind of just accepted that tf2 isn't going anywhere so theres not really any debate, but there used to be, as in ppl from my school would play CS and stuff would say the usual 'this game is for children and its easy' and then u would show them some MGE or shadowburn frag vid and they wouldn't think like that anymore, but if they saw gink's vid they would go back to how they were thinking before.

u can pretend like no one thinks that about TF2 all u want but its very very common that ppl think that way about this game and this pyro shit isn't helping whatsoever, its actually making no part of the game better than it was before the update and 90% of the community as well as myself would much rather be playing the game before the update

ya, u can just press s but thats not fun and not needed in the game. its one dimensional as much as it makes the pyro ineffective and awkward that you have to adjust your own play style just to fight this class and that everyone has to adjust it in the same plain and boring way.

if ur a scout and ur fighting a soldier, theres all sorts of things u can do to approach the fight from both angles. its interesting, which is pretty much the best thing abotu competitive is the individual styles that u can play. pretty much all classes i mean even dodging a sniper ppl will do their own individual shit but playing pyro u just walk forward and playing against a pyro u just walk backward

i mean u might as well be playing OW. the way u talk about the game u might as well be playing OW and it wouldn't surprise me if u attempted to be an OW pro but it just didnt work out

medics not op in pubs lol that shit is dependant on the people who the medics are healing and they have to be a cut above a pubber in order to make it effective.

it really has gotten to the point where if the guy isnt someone skilled enough to play competitive, the person with the top score and highest impact on the game is 100% of the time a pyro because they are having the same impact on shitty pubbers as actual players and everyone of those 24 ppl are capable of the same shit, but playing it now is seen as a tryhard option or some shit. if someone gets pissed off that they're dying a lot, they go pyro because its seen as stupidly op. there shouldn't ever be a class that consistently top scores in a pub.

i haven't played a pub where multiple ppl haven't complained about it like this monthish. so if the updates not working for pubbers and by the overwhelming backlash on the forums, who is it working for? u and olgha i guess but no one else likes this shit at all.

how could thalash of countered being melted in 0.1 secs there? just not being there at all i guess cause it took like 0.1 seconds to kill him so even if he was at bitch boy range he still would of died

ur point about the first clip is debatable too there are other members of the team is most likely why the medic flashed and even if the pyro did end up killing gink's medic its not like its impossible gink could of done the same shit he killed like 3 people, that demo was on da facking beam and got to shoot like 2 pipes and then died even though he was looking at him the whole time and all gink had to do was wiggle his mouse and walk at him but yet hes killing faster than a scout 2 shotting at point blank range

u srsly think the pyro should be able to kill those ppl so fast? its faster than a 2 shot. why did u ignore the last clip of thalash dying in a nanosecond? or how fast he shreds all those ppl in the first clip?

its actually mad how u see these clips and genuinely think 'yup. im gonna write a 100 paragraphs on why this is ok'

pubbing has divulged into 4 pyros jet packing to the enemy spawn, getting denied, insta dying and then doing the same shit the next round until no one sees them and then they insta kill everyone at the spawn just like this and it happens so quick theres sometimes u cant even react fast enough to go to the cabinet even tho its right there. pubbers are facking pissed.

for me its not even frustration that they did have less skill. wats frustrating about dying to a pyro and not a scout is that u can control whether or not u die to that scout whereas when ur fighting a pyro, if ur in a certain range you just die. dying to a sniper is kinda just as frustrating but its not stupid or other powered just annoying and i wouldnt rly suggest anyway to fix it and most real people wouldn't either

isnt that wat everyone wanted though? 80% of the forum wants that lg shit which is more major of an adjustment to wat we have now. idk if u are apart of that 80% but i didnt see any suggestion of their ideal pyro balance where it wasnt completely different to what we were used to

thank you Hamburger

Like anything it depends on your style man

I wouldn't want you im my league anyway Hildreth!

Although I agree with Muuki, why is the penalty for this crime so harsh? Why not just they can't play until the demos are uploaded? Too many innocent gamers have been incacerated for this petty crime and it has to stop.

No.

very well written muuk i can feel your passion

Na i dont fuck with Cortana