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Daffodil-This is my opinion about updating the whitelist. I want the whitelist to be as opened up as possible for a couple reasons.
Firstly, anything that rewards game knowledge and good usage of alternative strategies is something that I see as desirable. If a player is able to use unique strategies with a balanced unlock then that is something that shouldn't be stopped just because we can't update a whitelist for over a year. Imagine the timeline where we banned the conch or whatever. I am sure there are some people out there thinking "I wish" but I think that would be quite the loss.
Secondly, I don't think playing with all unlocks will "give us a major" but I DO think that keeping a well maintained whitelist gives the team at valve good data to look at when doing balance passes. This game isn't gonna blow up and become a esport even if valve endorses it, but it can always be improved and everybody here seems to just have the most pessimistic and shitty views despite that.
Our decisions about the whitelist should not be motivated by things we think valve could be doing. It's not the place of the community to do a dance so that the developers do stuff. Even if we were to ban dumb unlocks completely that would still give valve data, as it did for years, that there is something wrong with the weapons even if they're not overpowered. We don't only have to ban things because they break the game or are just straight up better.
Having said that
I don't think anyone gives a shit about any of these bans aside from cow mangler
and in what you've described your view to be implies that it probably should be banned
It completely removes ammo management and just adds spam to the game, which the game doesn't need.
The only place that cow mangler adds and "alternative strategy" is charge shotting the doorway people walk into mid, which is not actually alternative because you should be doing it every time and all the other team has to do is make sure their medic doesn't get hit by it because no one else should really be getting hit by it either. Hitting charge shots does not take skill, it does not take game knowledge and it is not an alternative strategy. On top of all this, getting essentially randomly hit by a charge shot is not fun at all and as much as some people like to think, that's actually a pretty good reason to have it be banned.
Like I said I don't think people really care about most of the items. From what it seems a lot of people are annoyed cow mangler is unbanned because it's just a dumb weapon with a dumb mechanic but also about the process by which all of this was unbanned which did not represent the community and was not a fair process towards the people playing in the league.
having to play qualifiers is not going to stop people from making new teams
lol
the preseason invite meeting that only people you bothered to message knew about
glitturebotmode team looking like it's highfive slemnish scouts botmode delpo soldiers campy demo zilly medic
delpo demo laz soldier
trippabl4nk botmode broking kawa pelt mason pogchamp!!!
miles and miles and miles better than that
GrapeJuiceIII10 hours left what’s happening
a lot
AluminatiWe will also be flattening the prize structure in the Invite division so that all teams that finish the season will receive some prize money in a style similar to the ESL Pro League for CS:GO.
this is a bit awesome for lower invite teams
highfivelet me zilly and purple cast this
let me in on this
Stochast1cThere is no reason for this thread to exist if you actually care about changing the community; we already have had the relevant discussion needed to get community leaders to start changing.
disagree
this isn't about community leaders needing to change this is a pretty common issue not just limited to TF2
we need to keep talking about this stuff if there is to be real, meaningful, widespread change
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