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#428 RGL S10 Main Discussion Thread in TF2 General Discussion
springrollsThis being said, in a tiebreak situation do you think wins against playoff teams should also be considered compared to just the H2H among the teams fighting for the remaining spots? As an example, minions this season have a win over image during regular season (and a dominant win at that), while none of the remaining 9-7 teams have playoff team wins (besides other 9-7 teams). A team that has like 2 wins over higher seed playoff teams would probably have a better chance of doing better in playoffs, but it would feel shitty to have them yoink that last seed if you, as a team with the same W/L, beat them and every other team in H2H. Interested to see your opinion.

I do not think wins against other playoff teams should be a factor at all. I can see your point above and it does make sense when thinking about always wanting the "best 8 teams" to advance. I think what you suggest could be a highly "subjective" criteria to add and would cause way more problems. If you can include performance against the top teams they play, you also have to include performance against the bottom teams they play. #9 team beats #2 team 3-2 on Gully but lost to the #18 team 5-4 on Snakewater earlier in the season. How do you judge this difference and do you really want RGL admins to determine this?

You would also have things like schedule strength comparison and random situations like when a top team offclasses vs a bubble team. If that bubble teams wins, they are now getting more credit for beating a top team that was goofing off in week 7 or 8?? I can't see that as fair and something the admins can regulate and/or balance.

IMO its all about match performance between the tied teams to see who gets those final slots. My feeling is either you win when it matters or lose and you are out. Then teams can blame themselves instead of the league rules or an admin making a ruling.

Last thing, it also adds human bias and favoritism to the mix which is never anyone's friend. Admins are now in control over who they "think" had the tougher schedule or played the better teams? Sounds like a nightmare, I'll keep the RW% over that. :)

posted about a year ago
#426 RGL S10 Main Discussion Thread in TF2 General Discussion
springrollsI think if your system for finding the top 8 playoff teams is to identify the top 8 "best" teams, and you choose W/L as your primary metric for determining team skill, using RW% as a secondary metric is not insane. After all, if your goal is to just identify the best 8 teams, why do I care about how you did vs. a team that wouldn't even be in playoffs by this ranking system. I would care more about how you did vs. the division as a whole. This is especially true if you use the (what I think is) ideal definition of team skill, that being the the average probability of defeating any other team in the division.

That being said though I still think H2H is the way to go for tiebreaks because the forced map schedule makes the variance during the regular season way higher than if it were pick/ban, even with 16 matches compared to something like highlander's 7/8. Makes me more inclined to say fuck it and just reward W's over everything.

Map variance with pick/ban is a factor but a minor one that would be completely acceptable if RW% was secondary to H2H. The major factor that makes RW% unreliable is how scheduling is done. Not all teams have a chance to play the weakest teams before they die by mid season making the RW% an unfair balance for those lucky enough to 5-0 some hopeless teams in the first few weeks.

If compared to a professional league where all teams had a shared schedule by playing the same teams then RW% is completely fine. It would never be possible in TF2 so the rules need to adapt to account for that for balance and fairness. RW% is always a skewed stat for that reason and should not be the top determining factor for a tiebreaker.

Getting a win against another "playoff or bubble team" has way more worth than some meaningless rounds you won in week 1-3 against the lowest skill teams in the division.

posted about a year ago
#68 World Championship Football in World Events

Pretty solid article ranking all the Round of 16 matches IMO

posted about a year ago
#423 RGL S10 Main Discussion Thread in TF2 General Discussion
Wild_Rumpusbrodythis also happened s8, where a 9-7 team (i think longerestboys) beat every other bubble team but was the one team not to make it, just because they had a lot of close matchesnot to mention that one of the teams that beat them on round differential only did so because of a ffw that erroneously gave 4-0 that season

Another point I made 2 seasons ago that was also ignored by the admins I spoke to mid-season.

posted about a year ago
#62 World Championship Football in World Events

Can't wait for USA vs NETHERLANDS. 10:00 AM TOMORROW!
Predicting 1-1 Tie and USA takes it on penalties

Really has been a great World Cup so far with the group stages done. Lots of surprises and upsets along with some major disappointments. My bracket still has hope, I got 10 out of 16 teams correct.

posted about a year ago
#418 RGL S10 Main Discussion Thread in TF2 General Discussion

This is a perfect case for a tie-break rule change across the board in how this Main season ended.
4 teams are tied at 9-7 but only 3 teams can fill the remaining slots.

Using the stupid RGL rules, actual team wins/losses are discarded and Rounds Won are ahead in a tiebreaker.

nug hub should clearly be in the playoffs and be the #6 seed. They defeated all the other 9-7 teams in head to head matches. How that does not count more than rounds is beyond me.

Peru, Bunion and Minions all have 1 win and 2 losses between them. These teams are tied in Head to Head comparisons and this is where the Round rules should apply to see which teams get the 7th and 8th place slots.

I doubt anyone in RGL will listen, comprehend or consider it. I tried this in the past and always met a brick wall.

posted about a year ago
#61 World Championship Football in World Events
plumimagine if costa rica held on to that lead tho, would be an insane group upset

Hell yeah, I was hoping it would somehow end like that. If 2-1 Costa Rica held both Germany and Spain get knocked out. Probably would have been the biggest group upset in history.

posted about a year ago
#56 World Championship Football in World Events

Mexico coming alive! They need 1 more goal or a another goal from Argentina to get the goal differential for 2nd place overall. Still 30 mins left for some magic

Edit: Mexico has no excuse if they can't net another goal. Saudi Arabia has done NOTHING for the last 30 minutes. Chance after chance for Mexico players and all the pressure. They still have 20+ minutes

ARG scored again so the stats are equal right now with MEX / POL but if nothing changes Mexico will be knocked out with the stupid "Fair Play" rule. They need to find a new and better tiebreaker.

posted about a year ago
#55 World Championship Football in World Events

ROFL @ Iran trying so hard on every soft physical touch to get the referee to give them a gift penalty. If they had not acted so hard and badly for the final 25 mins they might have gotten a penalty call at the end.

GO USA!!!!

posted about a year ago
#53 World Championship Football in World Events

USA vs IRAN in 2 hours! MUST WIN

This might be the best path the USA has ever had to the Quarterfinals. It all starts with a win today vs Iran and we advance to the round of 16. We would play either Netherlands or Senegal depending on the ENG / WAL outcome.
Both SEN / NED are challenging matches but neither team is among the strongest in the tournament and very beatable. We could and probably should be very optimistic about making the Quarterfinals with this scenario.

Netherlands and Senegal just advanced into the round of 16. Heartbreaker for Ecuador, all they needed was a tie to advance.

posted about a year ago
#52 World Championship Football in World Events

What a day of comeback's so far!

SRB up 3-1 only for Cameroon to bounce back with 2 goals for a tie. Depending on the outcome of this BRA / SUI match all 4 teams could still be alive by the end of today but with a tie both BRA / SUI Advance.

South Korea made another 2 goal comeback today in the 2nd half only to lose a heartbreaker in the end. Good thing they put the GOAT Ian Drake announcing this game, the back 4 and goalie for South Korea all have the same last name.
Could be challenging for a rookie announcer when Kim passes to Kim across field to Kim touch pass to Kim and now a goal kick from Kim.

posted about a year ago
#50 World Championship Football in World Events

Another day of great games. As of right now only 2 teams have been officially eliminated. (Qatar and Canada)

Group E continues to be completely unpredictable. ROFL @ Japan, they come out and beat Germany to look really solid then today lose to fucking Costa Rica. Any group with Japan is almost guaranteed to be a mess.

Watching Spain vs Germany is so fun. Both teams know each other so well and its nothing but top quality play. 1-1 tie today was really enjoyable to watch.

Group F is shaping up well with Morocco handing out the big upset today beating Belgium and MOR looked good to me. With that win, Morocco has a clear path to the round of 16 unless Canada plays spoiler in their final match

Croatia vs Belgium is going to be an incredible game. There is a good chance the loser of this match is knocked out. If they tie, then CRO will advance so BEL will be pushing really hard.

posted about a year ago
#46 World Championship Football in World Events

Saudi Arabian team defeat Argentina. Get free Luxury cars for the entire team.

posted about a year ago
#44 World Championship Football in World Events

Straight up up fuck off if that Iran vs Wales game was not the most intense and fun game to watch so far in the tournament. I highly recommend to watch if you missed it. Both teams had to play for wins and it showed with great goalie saves, 3 goal post hits and a lot of offensive play on both sides. The Red card was justified and obviously made an impact but can't take anything away from that first Iran goal. The shot was awesome.

This Iran win is a positive result for USA.

If we tie vs ENG, we will be 1 point ahead of WAL and just have to beat IRN in our final game to advance.
If we lose vs ENG, we can still beat IRN in our final match to get 4 points and advance while Wales would most likely have to beat ENG by several goals if they wanted to pass us in the Goal Differential.

Lastly, Ecuador is no joke they are playing as solid as any team so far. I cannot wait to watch Ecuador vs Senegal in the final group match. Shit is going to be insane to see who advances.

posted about a year ago
#40 World Championship Football in World Events
aratingakids that's how you play futebol

Have to agree, while SRB played a solid game Brazil put on a clinic today and SRB is not a bad team by any means.

POR vs GHA was easily the match of the day. What a fantastic 2nd half from both teams. Its really a shame that Ronaldo can create so many penalties called for him just because of who he is. There is no way that first goal was a penalty. That said, being the only player in history to score in 5 world cups is legend.

posted about a year ago
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