Highlights from editing cp_badwater a few days ago:

a super serious conversation about game balance (... kinda): http://www.twitch.tv/kevinispwn/c/2938407
my secret box of racial obscenity: http://www.twitch.tv/kevinispwn/c/2938380

I dunno if this is tf2-enough to be a tf2 stream highlight, but I found the two moments pretty funny.

I generally use this. It's good because you get to practice the initial jump when you can't strafe or anything. You can use this code. "[" to restart the round, and "]" to give you a buff.

sv_cheats 1
bind ] "mp_restartround 0"
bind [ "hurtme -120"

Too easy to spam out. With payload it works because you can inch the cart closer. But with a CP, it would be too hard to cap IMO.

I guess I'll end up using the concrete spire for now. I've been busy the past few days, but will hopefully get some work done this weekend.

Spire worked pretty well in pugs. Putting the cap on the roof would cause crowding on the roof, as there wouldn't be anywhere else to hold effectively than on the roof itself.

I guess the majority of people like the concrete spire better, so I'll end up using that. I'm having some hammer issues, but the next release should be out pretty soon, which will include nerfed sightlines, better spire, and better cap-times.

I don't particularly fancy changing anything huge, such as the landscape stuff. I'll probably be adding the rocks back in to make height back there.

If your team/ pug group wants to playtest the map in highlander or 6s, please add me.

I have two drafts of possibilities for the spire. Sorry I didn't release when I said I would, Hammer is quite fragile and I broke some stuff. Anyways, here's what I have:

Wood:

http://i.imgur.com/dCyY6lI.jpg

Concrete:

http://i.imgur.com/NyghxSI.jpg

Personally, I like the rusty wooden one, because it fits the RED build style. However, people brought up valid points about the surrounding area and how the wood spire didn't quite fit. That was sort of the intent, but whatever. Please tell me what you think.

Yup, I was working on that when you posted and just finished today. Leaks/ skybox fixed for next release, hopefully in a few hours. :)

http://i.imgur.com/nTCA8ms.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JGmPLmX.jpg

All that's left is detailing (see: un-discustifying) spire and fixing a gate trigger that I broke when fixing 2nd's cap trigger.

I misread your comment, sorry. I agree with you.

Um... no. 5cp is a 5 point control point map which both teams try to cap all points. Even if this weren't the case, the map has 4 points.

EDIT: I'M A JERK AND MISREAD YOUR MESSAGE SORRY FOR BEING SASSY.

Sorry guys, I've had a really busy few days that I wasn't planning on. I'll be trying to work on the map as much as I can over the weekend, but I can't make any promises as to a release (sorryyy).

People in the other thread seemed to like the idea of a spire, and it's my favorite part of the map as of now. I'm pretty sure it will play in a very fun way. Putting the point on the roof adds OP sightlines, pretty much only one route to push (even if I were to remove the giant wall, and creates a very, very cramped space to hold in any environment other than 6s.

I want to keep the shape of the original badwater. Otherwise, making a Co_badwater is kind of silly IMO.

Oh gosh, I just accidentally deleted a super comment, and now I'm sad. This one will not go into as much detail as I'd like, because I've already been typing for ~20 minutes, and I really want to go work on the map a bit.

I understand all of your concerns. However, I'm going to try to make a case for the style of spire that I chose. Take a quick look at pl_badwater:

http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/9/9d/Badwater_Basin_overview.png?t=20111120115435

You'll see how BLU has to essentially push the bomb through their "base" to RED team's "base". Notice BLU's building style is very concrete and generally well put together, while RED's is much more hastily made, wooden structures. This comes with the goofy backstory that the TF2 world is based around, two companies that fight each other with paid mercs. There's obviously a bunch of back-plot, but there's no need to get too far into that. BLU team (Builder's League United) builds things well. RED team (Reliable Excavation Demolition) doesn't. Because BLU needs to capture points in their own base, it's pretty safe to assume that at some point in time, RED took over BLU's base and built up rickety, make-shift control points (as RED does).
I didn't just throw in the gpit spire all yolo-tastically. There was thought behind it. All this said, if enough people dislike the final product, I will gladly change it.

I'm being called to ring, I'll be back in a bit to post the rest.

Just added a custom spire as well as fixing some of the clipping issues. I should have a3 out sometime late on Friday.

http://i.imgur.com/j7mpnqA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/n68LCOj.jpg

I got some of the spire visuals from gpit C. I need to fix the very bottom of it, but I think it will work out well. Any opinions on this? I thought it would be important to be able get more of your team up to cap.

Also, the cap time on B will be the longest, I think. Generally, BLU will only be able to cap A when RED is essentially wiped. It was way too easy to get B in our playtest last night.

If you and your team want to help playtest the latest version's pre-release, please contact me through this thread or via steam. I'm still looking for good highlander and 6s playtests to get everything right. After all that works out, we're going to test it on pubs. Thanks for the help everyone!

Something similar happened to me. No other symptoms, just seemingly random, crippling stomach pains. Lost my morning appetite.

My physician said to stop eating/drinking soda, caffeine (energy drinks/coffee), and chocolate (and alcohol if you do that). That helped a bit, but I still had some problems and ended up needing surgery after a couple months of persistent pain. I'd say go to a doctor soon. Stomach pains that last over a few days are a sign that something could be seriously wrong.

Best of luck, man.

http://i.imgur.com/GcyfpRY.jpg

a5 is out!

https://mega.co.nz/#!18FjhQga!TJ8gFzrD7ba649btSvea56JBJseoaw58c276BD7oOqM

I essentially scrapped a4 and started fresh with this. This fixed a lot of broken things, and made the map much more similar to pl_badwater. I'll make changes as needed, but the goal is to keep the maps as similar as possible.

For those who don't know, Hooky decided against working on cp_badwater, so I went ahead and picked it up. Shoutout to Mangachu, Jenny, and Otterfiend for helping me with ideas. Also thanks to you guys on the forums pointing out when I'm an idiot, which is pretty often.

Album: http://imgur.com/a/iMiof

If you have any questions, I'd be more than happy to answer them. I'll be playtesting this with friends this next weekend probably (with a slightly modified map). If you want to playtest it yourself, please stream it/ record demos and stvs. I'm looking to see how it plays in 6s, HL, and pubs. I hope you enjoy the map!

old thread

I'll do that after this playtest I'm in.