So all of those items that were bet but not paid to winners because the site couldn't split the items... Does Geel keep those now?

Rhetorical question, btw.

koth_reservoir

Did you try ds_enable 2 or just ds_enable 1?

An account with a VAC ban doesn't immediately lose items btw. Usually takes a few days to a week from what I've seen.

Who would have thought highlander engineer mains would actually be good at 6s?

(from memory) Aren't the crosshairs here inside the achievement tracker? So you need to enable that and set it to an achievement you'll likely never complete (something halloween related, for example).

Then they should show up.

Just played against them. Really obvious cheaters. Thank god vaccinator is amazing.

Shits'n Giggles
http://steamcommunity.com/id/123spycrab/
STEAM_0:1:61915985
[U:1:123831971]
76561198084097699
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198084097699

Played against him on viaduct, he was obviously walling on sniper but was really bad until the end of the first round where he started hitting everything. We had a vac med to keep him down next round.

Next game, played against the hacker above and these three:

Stephen Hawking "Flower" from post #1 on this thread
http://steamcommunity.com/id/Hawking_/
STEAM_0:0:92031963
[U:1:184063926]
76561198144329654
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198144329654

Bill Nye "Huey" from post #4 on this thread
http://steamcommunity.com/id/Roybowman/
STEAM_0:0:103113381
U:1:206226762
76561198166492490
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198166492490

Neil deGrasse Tyson "Bambi" from post #1 on this thread
http://steamcommunity.com/id/goodtimefuntime/
STEAM_0:1:110508376
U:1:221016753
76561198181282481
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198181282481

You're not the only one. Check the past few pages of this thread. In my instance, I bet one key on this match: https://saloon.tf/match/162

I received 0 winnings. There's no way I could receive 0 winnings with the odds and bets that occurred unless people with lower bets on the winning side somehow received more than they should have. I suspect the system doesn't split the keys (but the site is owned by Geel and should automate splitting keys into ref via scraptf bots) and kept the items from the losing side.

It's a shame because I want to bet on other matches, but I don't see a reason to bet keys on matches when there's a chance I can lose the keys but not win any.

#saloongate

Everyone on this team won IM.

Your winnings ended up in one of geel's accounts :^)

I submitted one a few weeks ago regarding a match where I received no winnings despite having the second highest bet (one key) on the winning team that was at 60%. There's no logical explanation for where the items on the losing side went.. (aside from one of Geel's accounts)

Basically you shouldn't hold your breath waiting for a response...

Well, a key is worth some number of refined. If the value of a key needs to be split between multiple people, then the key should be traded for the current price in refined (if only saloon was owned by someone who ran another site that could do this automatically!).

Regardless, I had the second highest bet on the winning side and I didn't receive any winnings. So what happened to those keys that were bet on the losing team? Do they end up in Geel's backpack, do the people who lost keep them, or?

Tangential side thought about Saloon: It's disconcerting that saloon still doesn't have a transaction log for a match. If the bets for a match remain open after match starts, just undo in reverse the bets/raises/transfers that occurred after match start time. This process could be automated if the backend support is there. It seems kind of silly to have to cancel the bets on a match because the bet on saloon was open for an extra 30 minutes.

I initially thought that may have been the case. However, I had the _second highest_ bet on the winning team. The top 3 bets on each team were the same. The winning team had a higher % so the items from the top 3 bets of the losing team should have been converted to ref to provide the remaining payout for the top 3 on the winning team, and then additional payout for the rest.

If the keys were not converted to ref, then where the hell did they go? There's only one person on the winning side of this bet who should have earned one key. All other bets should have winnings around 0.60 keys and lower.

Already submitted a ticket for this a couple of days ago but still no response...

I bet a key on this match: http://saloon.tf/match/162 . I won the bet, I should have won something like 0.60 keys (around there). I won nothing instead (the key was returned, but no new items showed up in my loot). I don't understand how that's possible. Look at the top 3 bets on each side--2 keys, 1 key, 1 key. I know that one of the keys bet on Corn Ducks was correctly paid out to someone who bet on mM, but what about the rest? They should have been converted to ref to be paid out by now...

Is the payout process ongoing for this match? If so, is there somewhere on the site indicates this? Or did the payout get messed up?