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Yes! And therefore the medic has to stand on the tiny trunk or on the slope/ramp at the side. The capture zone area is fine but the large trunk certainly needs to be changed. It's also a fair point of view, but making it even larger would just make it a flat piece of ground, lacking any excitement. It also doesn't fix the problem of standing at the back of the trunk and just waiting the attacking soldier to land. If anything it makes it even harder to reach him.

It's easy to knock someone off it if you actually manage to get close enough to the enemy. If they know what they are doing they won't allow you to get that close, and you'll be at a disadvantage in a fight reminiscent of Ammomod [MGE] (!add 15) But you're right, being aggressive isn't easy as a medic in general.

I do not think this strategy will work against a good team, since they could have the medic stand on the smaller trunk on their own side.

I ment that it prevents you from doing manouvers. Not spamming the spawn door or whatever.

Assuming you agree with my points of criticism, how would you change the map?

Some criticism of gameplay:

- The large steps around the trunks are super annoying. You have to jump once every time. Most of the time you can't even jump up on them because solly spams you with 1 or 2 rockets /or even shotgun) and suddenly you are either dead or on the lowground. The stairs are useless and just adds too complex geometry.

- Complex geometry is used excessively on this map. Not only the stairs but the 2 large trees, lots of props and other intricate things that make the gameplay experience compared to other maps incredibly unsmooth.

- Point is too large.
There is no disadvantage at all to standing on the point.
On koth_ultiduo_r_b7 (or whatever it's called) the point is on direct lowground and easily contestable from the top.
On ultiduo_baloo the point is very small and you easily die or get knocked down. And if you hide behind the point you're gonna die to a solly standing on the nipple.

If you stand on the point on grove there is no way you can knocked down or killed easily, or get a large disadvantage. If you stand on the point, but as far away from the enemy as possible, they can't damage you at a rate your medic can't heal up. The only way for the enemy to get to you is to jump you directly.
And due to the point being so large, the rockets are easily dodged or surfed. It is also too hard to jump the enemy when they stand like this because you need to get close to jump, in which case you or yor medic might die. If you try to just walk up the point or do a tiny jump to the point you immediately have the disadvantage, because it's way harder for your own medic to heal you, plus the enemy has both a positional advantage (when it comes to aiming) and a health one. In other words rocket jumps are often bad on this map, because the self-inflicted damage does not give you a favourable enough of a position. I want incentive for hitting airshots and directs, and surfing rockets.

- The gameplay is very linear. On the sides of the point it is very hard to walk around. Due to the trees and shit on the map, it's very crowded. It's easily spammed by the enemy (who is always standing on the high ground). Compare this gameplay to ultiduo_baloo or koth_r_ultiduo_b7 where it's fully possible to play in a different area, approach the point and the enemy from different directions. On grove you always have to do a direct attack on your enemy, due to the claustrophobia-inducing splash-damage-friendly geometry. On other maps it's mostly just ramps and flat ground.

Don't take anything on a personal level this is just my critique of the map.

These are the changes I would make to it:
- Reduce the radius of the point
- Remove all stairs (the steps u need to jump 5 times to get up on) and add some sort of ramp instead.
- Straighten the ramp
- Remove/move/shrink the giant trees
- Clean up props
- Try and make map more friendly to large maneuvers and not only intricate ones. A good map allows and promotes both.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrFE9dBb948

Same thing from ramp room to yard. Just move around geometry and make entrances larger. There's no need to make new entrances.

Wait was there an rc2 ?

On the contrary it's retarded to entirely dismiss individual players based on team performance

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYDy_nlgi5Q

The changes to gameplay I think makes the map better, however, visually and aesthetically they are not on par with other areas of the map.

That's this entire forum in a nutshell though

EDIT:

The picture you linked is honestly retarded, and is a large part of the reason why most online communities are toxic.

Before I get started into this essay written by a no-lifer like myself, I will say that however clever my refutation of this idiotic comic ever will be, you can always turn back and say you were just joking as well. This following bit is a precautionary refutation:

Back to the picture at hand.

It frames a rather interesting situation where someone is obnoxiously retarded in hopes of getting attention, ends up not getting attention and told to leave the discussion, and afterwards the individual in question feels hopelessness, and an empty void that could have been filled with confirmation.

A. Unfunny Statement from person craving attention
B. Telling person who wrote/said unfunny statement to leave
C. Unfunny-Statement-Guy gets sad cuz he got rejected

Sure you may not find my joke funny in any way. You may think it was childish, ignorant, annoying, offensive or a whole spectrum of other thingsm, but ultimately I was not playing mentally handicapped just to get attention or confirmation. I was making a joke intended at poking fun at the members of 3/6 while at the same time complimenting Muuki's achievment, in a sense, saying his achievments made 3/6 tilt so hard they in fact had to change classes to stay interested in playing tf2 for the remainder of the season. This of course was not what actually happened. Before I posted that comment, I had already read the community news about degu joining 3/6 and the players changing roles, and I sincerely believed the reason stated in the article. At this point Domo responds with a "No", short for "No, that is not the reason we switched classes on our team." For what reason would anyone ever respond with a "No" here if they actually know it's a joke? I explain in a crude manner that it was a joke, and offense is taken by "Pred" who posts a comic he uses to assassinate my character.

A better explanation for what actually happened:

A. Someone poking fun at a group with demonstrably false information.
B. Person from said group responding and saying that the information is actually false, without realising that he is aware of this.
C. Explains it's a joke
D. Says the guy poking fun at them is just craving attention and playing retarded.

Again, this more accurately represents the actual situation.
I even made my own comic of this situation, in an exaggerated manner:
http://imgur.com/F9JUJAT

But you're not showing me how I'm wrong... :/
You're not even saying I'm wrong... :o
Which makes your comment useless. xD

1. You're still not refuting anything I say.
2. You already have some sort of grudge against me from before, and it's not like 3/6 team would ever talk to me anyway. I know my post is pathetic but that doesn't stop it from being CORRECT.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke

Just two minor things that bugged me

Why can you stand both on top of these windows (Prop is solid) as well as on the little ledge?:
(There are also several other windows on the map. How should we know which ones we can stand on and which ones we can't?)

http://i.imgur.com/g93zW37.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/b0YfeYb.jpg

This feels incredibly unsmooth to walk into:

http://i.imgur.com/NiQcSLO.jpg