torritalso this is only speculation but based on all my interactions with jeven i simply cannot imagine him cheating in offis. just too driven and serious about competition to be an actual cheater. could very well have done the same thing out of frustration as i did and just fuck with people he doesnt like in rahmixes or something but as i see it, thats extremely unlikely.
I thought it didn't need to be said, but if somebody only cheated to "fuck with people he doesnt like in rahmixes or something" that would also be considered cheating.
flickEtf2l not sharing any evidence on the matter is equivalent to not having evidence at all imo. When its some1 as hated by the admins as jeven it makes it harder to believe this is legit.
This claim is ridiculous, as the AC team has built up credibility for their past work, while someone previously caught cheating has considerably less of it. Do you believe all current admins who have reviewed the situation just decided to go with it because they are that spiteful and biased? Truth is noone is after you, and in the scenario that Jeven isn't cheating this is more likely an honest mistake on their part than an act of hatred.
Then comes the question, why do you think anyone would be "hated by the admins" as you put it? If you truly believe admins are out to get him, are they doing this over a silly reason or has the person in question done something that justifies their "spite"?
GazI'm curious to what kind of cheat led to the ban exactly and wish ETF2L would give some evidence in this case. I wouldn't go as far as flick and imply that the admins banned him because of a grudge or something along those lines but from what I've gathered the past seasons it seems extremely unlikely that Jeven would risk a permanent ban by cheating. That guy put in an ungodly amount of time into demo reviews and theorycrafting for his team which would be kinda redundant if he was supposedly cheating all this time. Gameplay wise I have never felt like he did something that felt off unlike some other people currently active
Feel like this thread is devolving into using the same arguments that have been used time and time again to defend cheaters (eg. the dafuqwizat ban). "Release evidence, explain the proof you have." I would reckon you knew why the evidence isn't released. To summarize why, it's because knowing the methods of detection used by the AC team will assist future cheaters in avoiding or circumventing detection. And why, besides your personal bias, would you believe that it's unlikely a previously caught cheater is a repeat offender? Your argument about dedication may make it appear less likely that cheats have been involved, but even in cases such as this people have cheated before. Not only in tf2, but in other esports, sports and competition where people train extremely hard and are very determined (including non-professional players too). There can be many non-monetary reasons why people cheat in things they care about.
knPrevious mentions in the thread include the general dislike admins have for him, which can't be denied considering despite admins claiming to be impartial bans in the past and present have definitely been questionable? Baud was brought up in the thread already and noticeably two of the New anticheat admins (at the time of his ban) were members of the French community who were publicly accusatory of baud beforehand and openly disliked him. Baud was banned after their introduction to the team.
The fact that you have to go back to a controversial ban from December 2014 [that was never even proven to be incorrect either] should speak for itself. Even in other old controversial cases like the NiCo script ban (which was also less severe than cheating), it was overturned after admins re-evaluated it with new information.
I also don't think some people should go around and accuse others of personal bias, especially if they solely enter the conversation on behalf of banned players they themselves are friendly with. That makes it seem like you care more about
players in your proximity rather than the actual rules and guidelines themselves.
knAlso the lack of transparency to "prevent people from learning from other cheaters mistakes" is such an incomprehensibly dumb concept. It's an aspect I completely disagree with because at most all we need to know is what type of cheat the player was banned for (The league literally used to do this) instead of just "Cheating".
Even after getting this personally explained to you more than a year ago you still haven't developed any argument except calling the concept dumb (despite there being analogies in other fields and cheaters and cheat developers that have directly stated such things).
The type of cheat a player is banned for is usually revealed during the next ban post, no? That has never been secret information.