Idk first 2 pages were enjoyable, 3rd was when it started to be bad, my fault was explaining their reason for banning spawncamping, I should just stick to let them play however they want thing or help them instead of making fun of.

It doesn't matter if he's an admin or not he's got friends, this topic is public, we're building an image.
Also I didn't mean anyone in general or just this thread. Bounce rate in the TF2 is uncomparable with other games because of no matchmaking, huge learning curve and attitude towards new players (not like most of the players rage on newbies, but even one guy can turn a lot of people off from the comp).

That wasn't what I meant at all, what I meant was more that you're on your own and there's more than single demo sticking. You can't count on scouts to check or open shutters so you can fire a few rockets, you can't count on your team mates to go back and get rid of the "camping" guy, the best you can do is airblast or knock them, but either way it'll be a spamfest right after you do it since there is more than a single demo.
I am not a top player and I don't play highlander so I can't say I know everything about the game, but I played both competitive and pubs and know that they are no comparable, you can't count on your teammates and with shit unlocks and no class limits you can't clearly predict what will happen, it's not like I'm saying that getting out of the spawn is impossible or hard, but I've been on the other side and it's no fun for an average pubber, so why not let them do what they want.

I kind of agree with that pubs don't let players improve as much as they could, but the reason for spawn camping rule is that there are much more players on pub servers and it becomes a group activity after a while, add to that lack of communication and people going for frags and you get a typical 24/7 ctf_2fort server.
Communities cannot enforce teamwork or communication so they stick to rules, since there are only a few servers where people call and do the other stuff.

Plus there's this difference between how you and them see the game, you care about self improvement and being the best, they care about good fun, taking fun screenshot, conging etc. so why not?

Also this. If you want this game to sustain stop acting like you're better. You're good at the game that doesn't matter to the outside world. Sorry, but you feel superior only because you stay in this community and it's a 50% of the world for you. If people keep being like that on the forums or in the lobbies I doubt any of the people betting will get into comp.

I kind of agree with him, also it's possible that Dave_AC wasn't a reason for this thread to begin with especially considering what future wrote.

I don't even know what is the point of this thread, most of people on their forums agree that it was a spawn camping (I don't but that doesn't matter at all) so just let them chose their own rules and do whatever they feel is right since I doubt that any of you care about this server at all, for some it's some kind of a circle jerk and for others it's just another reason to show superiority over "pubs" 8)

Even if they ban players for being too good, which indeed would be kinda sad, what do you care?

Dave got kicked while he shouldn't according to rules, but 3 pages of posts are more than enough to voice your anger with them. Live and let live :)

There wasn't anything too backslash really, we didn't even say what did we want to achieve with this discussion as far as I remember, so there was no room for disagreement. Anyone who was asked to sign this should just feel honoured and do it.

If not playing then watching at least

Wish we had something like that in Warsaw

he's big biceps, not skinny biceps like you my friends

Way to land in a spam folder.

nvm

Did TF2 die when 4Kings (Relic), Epsilon or CanFo left? You'll be just ok Americanas :P

Wasn't the map point of this update and the reason for a video showing how it works?