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ConcordiaKOBA"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."Uh, bud, from Muslim to Muslim, while yes that particular verse is from another period of time, you do remember that the Quran is not the definitive source of Islamic law. Yes, I said it. There are other Islamic law sources.
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One could say that the context when this was written is different but this book is supposed to be written by allah and is supposed to guide muslims lifestyles.
As someone who lives in a muslim country the overall mindset here about these attacks are that they deserve it because they killed muslims in Syria .
Why do you assume that all people living in Albania are muslims :o
posted about 10 years ago
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MapleSpaceCadetA time will come, probably after many more attacks, when the countries of the west realize you can't be civilized with cultures/religions that have not evolved to that level. At one time ,Christianity was just as violent as Islam and perhaps even more brutal but we evolved in the west and so did our belief system. The same has simply not happened in the middle east and both cultures will continue to clash.
It wasn't too long ago that popular wisdom held Catholic nations were too uncivilized to handle democracy because Catholicism is rooted in obedience to authority. At that time (30ish years ago), the vast majority of Catholic nations (mainly East Europe, Italy, Latin America) were controlled by dictatorships of various forms, which lent credence to this sort of mentality. Post Cold War, it's quite obvious that trying to link the many disparate reasons for a lack of democratic rule in all those different regions to religion was fucking retarded but apparently we still haven't learned that international relations are complex and multifaceted.
Those popular wisdoms are fucking hilarious.
Dictatorship in Poland (I'm not speaking for other countries) was imposed after WWII when America and Britain agreed to leave the country to Soviets (http://www.gcsehistory.org.uk/modernworld/coldwar/tehranyaltapotsdam.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference#Poland_and_the_Eastern_Bloc) and it wasn't broadly supported so religion of people here had nothing to do with it. It's also worth noting that communist government was murdering some priests, so it also had nothing to do with catolicism (most notable example is Popiełuszko who's recognized as martyr).
Truth is while I'm not a big supporter of catholic church nowadays it was the reason why government couldn't do everything back then as it was the only non-government controlled legal organization uniting most of the people.
posted about 10 years ago
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Null_Sheepylol You can never know who the extremists are.
they're hiding under your bed, in your closet, lurking in your bed sheets waiting for the perfect opportunity to strike.
hide yo kids hide yo wife
posted about 10 years ago
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remedycan you fedoras
Says the dude with 7,000 hours total in TF2 and Dota :D
posted about 10 years ago
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DavidTheWinsacDavidthewin: please, read up on your own country's history and you will notice this thing called "the civil war" happened.
FYI I'm English
There were few conflicts then :D (dw I'm just nitpicking)
posted about 10 years ago
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AvastvalkeriAvastMorals and what is deemed acceptable is entirely dependent on the society and time period.
You are telling me that in the future, if society says that is is completely moral for people to rape and murder innocent people, that you would be fine with it? That you don't have some inner voice telling you that that's immoral?
Are you saying if you were born in the year 1820 in the United States to a wealthy slave-owning family and were raised your entire life to dehumanize slaves with constant reinforcement of these beliefs from your friends and family you wouldn't at the very least be conflicted about what is right or wrong?
I was born in 20th century in Poland (also in the most conservative city here) and I don't believe that homosexuality is a sin :P
I'd say supporting equality in Poland is the same as not supporting slavery back then:P
posted about 10 years ago
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Geel9SocialiteGeel9Godwin's Law :DvalkeriGeel9If morality is objective then why are bad people able to justify their ability to do bad things?
Just because morality is objective does not mean that people can only commit objectively moral acts. Everyone has free will to go against what is moral.
Actually, not really. Nobody thinks they're bad. Everyone justifies themselves -- EVERYONE. When you lash out in anger and insult someone, you're justifying it to yourself. Everyone may see you as an asshole but to you, you're in the right. Even if you apologize later, you were still acting in that moment in what you viewed as a moral way.
Hitler thought he was ridding the world of a fucking plague. EVERYONE thinks they're a goddamn saint.
And no I often immediately think about how what I did was bad, but I guess different people think differently.
Argument from fallacy xD
Yeah, you think about what you DID was bad, not about how what you're DOING is bad. Read my posts please.
What I mean is at no point did I think what I was doing was right. I don't think I was thinking about morality at any point while flushing boiling water at someone. Maybe about if it's justifiable.
posted about 10 years ago
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valkeriAvastImplying wholesale enslavement of other races wasn't seen as normal in the past
Implying women and sexual minorities weren't murdered and oppressed 100x more than they were today and seen as "cultural"/normal
In a previous post I stated that the enslavement of other races was seen as normal in the past, because society said that it was acceptable.
Gregory of Nyssa. Everyone has different morality.
posted about 10 years ago
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Geel9valkeriGeel9If morality is objective then why are bad people able to justify their ability to do bad things?
Just because morality is objective does not mean that people can only commit objectively moral acts. Everyone has free will to go against what is moral.
Actually, not really. Nobody thinks they're bad. Everyone justifies themselves -- EVERYONE. When you lash out in anger and insult someone, you're justifying it to yourself. Everyone may see you as an asshole but to you, you're in the right. Even if you apologize later, you were still acting in that moment in what you viewed as a moral way.
Hitler thought he was ridding the world of a fucking plague. EVERYONE thinks they're a goddamn saint.
Godwin's Law :D
And no I often immediately think about how what I did was bad, but I guess different people think differently.
posted about 10 years ago
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valkeriKaneco...If we don't need religion to know what is morally right or wrong, where would you say we get it from?
Religion has been around since the beginning of recorded history, in fact, it's one of the reasons we know what happened in the early world. If it wasn't for monks or scribes or other religious people, we would not know much of what we know today about the past.
SocialitevalkeriI'm not saying or I didn't mean to say that religion doesn't give followers some morals, because it definitely does.Socialite...Assuming we do not get our morals from religion, then where do we get them?
But I also think that it's wrong to say that we wouldn't have them was it not for the religion.
Our parents and environment teach us too and we also learn by ourselves to tell good from evil. A simple example from almost anyones' lives will be how we're taught in school not to tell on classmates, it is some kind of code of conduct and not exactly something that'd come from religion.
Why do you keep asking the same question and ignoring replies? :>
I think what dr said is even a better reply to this question.
posted about 10 years ago
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valkeriSocialiteI like to think that I have morals even if bible disagrees. But if the only morality we have is the one given by the religion then too bad.Assuming we do not get our morals from religion, then where do we get them?
I'm not saying or I didn't mean to say that religion doesn't give followers some morals, because it definitely does.
But I also think that it's wrong to say that we wouldn't have them was it not for the religion.
Our parents and environment teach us too and we also learn by ourselves to tell good from evil. A simple example from almost anyones' lives will be how we're taught in school not to tell on classmates, it is some kind of code of conduct and not exactly something that'd come from religion.
posted about 10 years ago
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squid_squad_boy_60-nineIts easy to find all the lives religion has ended, but it's hard to measure the ones that it has saved. Our morals come from religion. If we didn't have religion think of all the people that would have died. IT's dumb to make statements like this because there is literally no way of proving how the world would be without religion. Maybe worse maybe better, but you don't know and neither do i. So no it's not plain obvious.
I like to think that I have morals even if bible disagrees. But if the only morality we have is the one given by the religion then too bad.
posted about 10 years ago
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squid_squad_boy_60-ninedevils advocate here: Why are french lives worth more than Burundi lives? Suddenly after 20 years of peace violence has sparked in Burundi. Why isn't there a tf tv thread for this? Do we value french more because they are our allies? Friends? Relatives?
I think the fact that you used the Burundi and not Beirut as an example is exactly the reason why. And I think life gets better once you accept the people as they are. Of course you can tell them that Lebanese life is worth as much as French and some will say they agree, but deep inside death of an European will be more shocking not just because they value European lives more, but also because they realize they could be them.
I basically agree with the point, but raising this argument in this thread is very insensitive..
posted about 10 years ago
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KanecoBonafideIf someone compares the crusaders one more time to modern terrorist attacks.. Than you are as much of a fool as the very same people you talk bad about for immidiately blaming the islam and all it's followers for it.
I mean lets be real but isn't it exactly the same thing? Just in different eras? The crusades were basically the Holy War in name of Christianity with the aim of spreading that religion forcefully while supressing/eliminating opposing ideologies / infidels. Which is the exactly same basis of modern Jihad. Islam is just 1000 years late to Christianity timeline.
Honestly most religions are fuckin stupid and probably the single major source of violence in the world because they can as easily work for the good as they can corrupt and extremize the minds of the weak, a world without religion would be a better world.
I always thought Hoły Wars were more about money and influence than religion
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