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SevinJust come back with something new when you have developed more. You need to do more modification than just recolors for people to consider it an independent HUD. That's all. You will still have haters because everyone's taste is different, but at least you'll have something you can call your own. Jarate is right, it takes years. I've been modifying and maintaining my own HUD for 4 years and I'm still learning. Just take your time and learn the things you admit to not having figured out. You will be much more well received with your own product instead of what is still essentially someone else's.
I don't know how much reading you've done, but I'm still always referencing Doodle's guide. Start there if you haven't already.
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posted about 7 years ago
#43
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danaBlungo
People on this subforum have a weird pet peeve about anyone starting a new thread for HUDs they don't consider to be original enough. It's as if there's some sort of standard that you have to meet in order to gain the privilege of releasing a HUD. I mean, these guys use the terms "beta" and "official release" like they're being paid to write vital software or something.
If I were you I would have posted this HUD in the HUD Mods thread. But at the end of the day it actually doesn't matter. Make/modify whatever the hell HUDs you want, and "release" them however the hell you want. Just make sure you give credit where credit is due, which I think you've done.
JarateKingI spent over a year getting better at making huds without releasing things
I think this is where a lot of the animosity comes from. People spend a ton of time building HUDs from the ground up. It takes a crazy amount of time and patience--only to get a few upvotes before fading into the background and largely being forgotten. When someone else comes on the scene, they act like you have to earn your stripes like they did. (No disrespect to JarateKing, I'm sure his HUDs are very well-made.)
posted about 7 years ago
#41
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pendait's just a hud edit and doesn't really deserve its own thread much less two...
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posted about 7 years ago
#39
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JaaniiBasically what Tomu said. If woolen wanted to release the HUD he would do that. I'm pretty sure he's not interested in people using his name for a HUD that looks like his. Try and make your own thing instead from what you think looks nice. I'm terrible at editing HUDs so I know it's not easy, so give it more time and make your own HUD if that is something you're passionate about.
posted about 7 years ago
#33
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JarateKingBlungo I don't mean to shit on you again but you're going about this all wrong. You haven't really gotten much better than last time. I can't really sugarcoat it, this hud just isn't good enough to release, and you need to put some serious time into growing as a hud dev. Huds aren't the sort of thing you can get right on your first go, they can take years to finally be able to get right at even if you know exactly what you're supposed to be doing.
There is no way you can make a hud and release it within the few weeks since you've decided to. A fair bit of good hud concepts can take longer than that with planning, and they never claim to be anywhere near finished products. What you should be doing now is focusing on improving your skills as a hud editor, and I don't mean to insult but it's just a fact you need to come to terms with that with your current skills you're not going to produce anything of quality.
I get that you're trying to stay true to Woolen's HUD, but that's probably the most dangerous thing you could do if you want to improve at hud editing. And on that building skills, you really need to switch directions. Woolen's hud quite frankly isn't that good. When you compare every notable hud, in color alone (which is the biggest change from yahud anyway) you have maybe one hud that's popular that uses different colors for everything. And rayshud can only really get away with it because the colors aren't as eyesoring, and even then it's still easily the biggest turnoff in rayshud, and which modern huds can't really get away with because rayshud got where it is by being constantly up-to-date and readily-available for multiple years and not out of visual appeal. Nearly every other hud avoids that because it just looks bad and doesn't ever actually solve any design problems. And then you can point to other things; the gray/blue bar things under health and ammo (why are they even there tbh), the targetids, the amount of stuff taken from other huds (but aren't made consistent with everything else), etc. which all need to be looked at and reconsidered imo. And after all that you're basically left with just yahud anyway.
But the bigger problem with it is that if you just go with trying to recreate Woolen's hud, you're not going to develop your skills making design choices any. Even if you were trying to recreate a legitimately good hud, it's only when you go through the entire process of thinking of some idea, visualizing it into something you know you could implement, getting a mockup / working example, comparing it to existing huds design decisions that did well (and what to avoid with huds that did it badly), refining it, putting it ingame, and refining it further, and repeating that you'll really grow as a hud dev. And this is a long and ongoing process; I spent over a year getting better at making huds without releasing things, a year working on prism hud, months of further hud work and experimenting, and now nearly a year of work on magnum hud just to release a beta. And I mean I consider myself one of the relatively newer guys on the scene, and I know I'm nowhere near done improving.
Just like last time, it takes a lot of time, dedication, willingness to improve, and knowledge on how to improve to be able to make a good hud. And then once you have the skill, it takes even more time and dedication. You might be doing better than before, but you're still going down the wrong path. The trap a lot of new hud devs, like yourself, run into is they only ever do basic mods or recycle other people's ideas, and they never get any better at it because they never push themselves to do better.
Right now, my advice is you should really be working on small, from scratch, unreleased mods where you try out ideas for the basic hud and/or mainmenu, and keep on doing this with new things. I mean, if you look at pretty much every big name hud dev today, they always start from scratch and often make a few concept huds before they start serious work trying to make a full hud, and these are people who've already honed their skill enough to make good concept huds around the board. Only when you know for sure that you can make huds better than what's already out there should you begin to consider making a full hud on your own, and even then I'd be getting mockups for different ideas and second opinions from proven hud devs.
TLDR: you're doomed from the start and doing the wrong thing, with Woolen's hud being bad and trying to recreate it always making a bad hud, and with rushing it, but also (and most importantly) that just trying to recreate a hud won't get you anywhere. You need to work on your skills first and foremost, and releasing basic modifications to huds won't help you any.
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posted about 7 years ago
#32
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TomuSTOGEFireThere are quite some people that want woolens hud but don't know how to make it and they can use this one here.
Plenty of people may want woolen's hud, but I doubt they are browsing tf.tv forums
Exactly, I very much doubt this forum is full of closet spy mains.
Secondly if Woolen wanted to release his own hud he would. It's not for redistribution as its tweaked to his tastes afaik. As much as people want his hud, they'd use it for like a day tops because the only reason they want it is "to be as good as him" I imagine as its something spy mains are obsessed with. For example stabbys shit thats he has made in the past, to most people it looks retarded everything he's done but hey, spy mains believe it will make them better.
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posted about 7 years ago
#31
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FireRofl jarateking I don't feel like he has any reason to create his own hud, and saying that a hud is bad because you don't like the colors is bs.
There are quite some people that want woolens hud but don't know how to make it and they can use this one here.
The only thing I agree on is that he should put it to hud Mods, idk where you got all this 'you should make your own hud even if you have 0 interest in it' from ...
posted about 7 years ago
#29
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STOGEFireThere are quite some people that want woolens hud but don't know how to make it and they can use this one here.
Plenty of people may want woolen's hud, but I doubt they are browsing tf.tv forums
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posted about 7 years ago
#28
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ahlicksBlungoalso why is it not a full hud?
because all you did was recolor and do minor edits, you didn't make this hud from scratch, you modified yahud.
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posted about 7 years ago
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rowpieceswhat are the differences between this hud and yahud other than a reskin tho
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posted about 7 years ago