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#98 Game of Thrones S8 in Off Topic

Returning for a second nerd essay on the military tactics as I'm a big war history nerd:

I think a lot of people are forgetting the sheer numbers of people involved when they criticise them for not just defending behind the walls. In the opening episodes we see a ton of people camped outside Winterfell and from the scraps of information we get the army at their disposal seems to be around 40,000. This is far more people than you need to defend Winterfell, they simply wouldnt fit on the walls and a lot of them would just die in the crush if you try to deploy them all in the yards.

With that in mind, a couple of things I've seen questioned actually make sense. Deploying your unsullied out in front of the gates is one. This is absolutely what I would do (although I would deploy another phalanx just inside the gates to defend it when breached). Not only are they defending the weak point that is the gate and gatehouse, but they are going to fight to their maximum potential in phalanx formation in open unbroken ground. Let the dead pile up infront of their shield wall and leave your archers and melee fighters defending the walls.

The charge of the Dothraki was also fine, tactically speaking. In a battle like that you need to keep formation, defend the gates and keep them away from the walls as long as you can to allow your archers on the walls to do as much potential damage as they can.
If you try to have mounted Dothraki participate in that fight all it will do is disrupt your formation. You would get panicked horses crashing into your own men, and gaps opening in your lines as the Dothraki move about, both of which are extremely no bueno.
With that in mind you really only have 3 ways to use the Dothraki: 1. tell them to dismount and defend the walls (which wastes their shock cavalry potential and probably pisses them off), 2. send them off away from the siege so they can fight numerous smaller engagements on the perimeter where they can bring their numbers to bear in detail, or 3. charge them at the opening of the battle and hope to inflict as many casualties as possible in a blaze of glory. I would probably have gone for option 2 but they went for option 3 which is fine. Yes they all died but they probably killed 5 wights for every dead Dothraki.

As for the stuff that genuinely was dumb:

Yes fighting in front of the trench was retarded. Maybe they were planning on digging 2 trenches, fighting behind the first and then falling back behind the 2nd, but ran out of time to dig? Even still, they should have just said "ok lads guess we fight behind just one trench."

The trebuchets should have been firing continuously until overran, not just once, and a couple of them should have been inside the castle lobbing stuff over the walls.

Also, no ballista? Seriously, the Night King is coming on an undead dragon and nobody thought to make a few dragonglass-tipped ballistae and point them upwards?

Not raining arrows on the wights as they stood there just behind the trench made zero sense. Not using burning oil/ tar etc to defend the walls was also dumb.

The walls should also have been reinforced by reserves. Scrap the guys on either flank of the unsullied phalanx, (one of those flanks was commanded by Brienne I think). If you curve the phalanx against the wall in a ( or [ formation then you dont need these loose formations of infantry on the wings. Have them inside the castle in the courtyard ready to rush to whichever stretch of wall is in danger of being overrun.

Overall I think strategy-wise this battle was OK. This wasn't exactly Julius Caesar levels of siege warfare but their approach wasn't as bad as as a lot of people seem to think. I give whoever was in charge of deployment (Jon? Jorah?) a B-. It was way, way better than the Battle of the Bastards which was just honestly a series of massive blunders one after the other.

posted about a year ago
#97 Game of Thrones S8 in Off Topic

This wasn't a deus ex machina. A deus ex machina is a character or plot device thrust out of nowhere that magically resolves an unresolvable storyline.

OK, yes, Arya "came from nowhere" in a very very *literal* sense in that she appeared from off-camera without anybody noticing. But this was nothing more than the directors choice: people out-of-shot going unnoticed is a very common technique used to excellent effect regularly (eg: The Good the Bad and the Ugly). It worked here because it saved the final reveal for the very last moments. If we'd had a 30-second sequence of Arya sneaking into the Godswood after her chat with Melisandre, and then chilling out for 15 minutes watching the Ironborn die and waiting for the Night King, and then a final sprint past white walkers to the Nights King, it would have been a lot less dramatic than the scene we got.

From a thematic, storytelling perspective, Arya Stark was not thrust out of nowhere. Not at all. She has been here from season 1, and she has spent the last 7 seasons becoming a killer. This is about as un-deus ex machina as it can get. A magic prophesy-dude being born amid salt and smoke with a flaming sword and having an omg epic duel WOULD have been deus ex machina. This wasn't. This was much, much better.

Infact, the whole Arya in Braavos arc that I complained about at the time actually makes sense now, if you make the assumption that the Faceless Men used their spooky magic and/or "solved" the cryptic prophecies and knew Arya was the warrior to defeat the Nights King all along. It explains why they spent all that time training her but just seemed totally cool with her not following orders and then bailing and remaining Arya Stark. It explains why Jacquen crossed paths with her in the first place (he wasn't on a secret mission and just stumbled across Arya, he was on a secret mission to recruit Arya). Maybe even Syrio was involved, kickstarting Arya's training as soon as they realised what was up ("What do we say to the God of death?").

So it's absolutely fine if you didn't particularly like this ending, but it was absolutely NOT deus ex machina.

I liked it though. All the backstory included, the build up, and it turns out he was just a magic dude with a grudge. He stopped to gloat, and it got him killed. Just like Oberyn.

If what you wanted was an "unbeatable baddie goes up against magic hero good vs evil epic final battle" y'all not been paying attention. There is no Sauron or Thanos in this series. Just people, with people's flaws. And the Nights King was just a person. A person cursed by powerful magic 10,000 years ago. A person with immense power. The power to control the weather, to noscope dragons, to raise the dead. But still just a person. A person who stopped to gloat, who in his pride at the moment of his revenge on humanity, stopped to eyefuck Bran for a few seconds, and it got him killed.

I think this is very Game of Thrones, very legal, and very cool.

posted about a year ago
#51 sad albums in Music, Movies, TV

Lovin this thread, sad music is crack to me.

Recommend anything by Nick Drake. So sad and so beautiful.

Tom Waits's blues stuff is also great. Tom Waits is great. Lunacide have your upfrag for posting.

Robert Johnson is as old as the hills, and my all-time favourite bluesman so check out his recordings.

And then there's Electro-Shock blues by Eels. Written after his dad died, his mum got terminal cancer, and his sister committed suicide. It's hands-down my favourite album and it's essentially a grieving process in song form, starting off super dark and then evolving until towards the end it has a poignant optimism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldcHHXV6kNc&list=PL9SVK7mIoUmcqqeJRBYbiWCVAQvcjZ6Rc

posted about a year ago
#29 Mass shooting at Christchurch, New Zealand in World Events
BumFreeze if your first instinct when upset (especially over something so irrelevant) is to call someone a racial slur, you might be a racist

Exactly. Obviously physically attacking people is way, way, way worse than using slurs, everyone knows that. But they're both still "actual racism".

Like, just because there's people dumping toxic waste into our oceans doesn't mean you can't criticise the person dropping litter in the park.

posted about a year ago
#22 Mass shooting at Christchurch, New Zealand in World Events

Don't blame the wars we finance, the climate change we cause, or the brutal regimes we sell weapons to for this wave of migrants and refugees. Blame the migrants and refugees. Don't blame our political stooges cutting social programs to give ourselves tax cuts for your shitty life, blame the brown people "taking your jobs." Hate each other. Fear muslims, fear migrants, fear liberals, fear the gays, fear the socialists. It's the same old story. Your life is miserable because society does nothing for you and everything for us. Make sure you hate them, they're your enemy. Just whatever you do, don't turn that outrage against us.

Of course, when we scapegoat a minority long enough, eventually impressionable brainwashed young people do things like this. It's a shame. We'll express outrage and shock, send thoughts and prayers. But we know what we're doing and we will keep doing it. It keeps you angry at each other, and not at us.

posted about a year ago
#28 Game of Thrones S8 in Off Topic

Just to elaborate, a "fair trial" has never been part fo the books or show. There is no established legal system of "fair trials" in Westeros. . A (rigged) trial was afforded to Tyrion as a gesture due to his status, and as a way for Tywin to keep his hands clean from the perceived grievous sin of kinslaying.

Lords have the right to "pit and gallows" ie: can legally put anyone of lower feudal status within their lands to death, this has been established numerous times in the books, and was established in season one with Ned "passsing sentence" on a deserter. No trial.

posted about a year ago
#27 Game of Thrones S8 in Off Topic
sheepy_dogs_handMenachem and our "heroes" know it--hence their total reliance on bran's sight to sentence littlefinger.
The Starks are obsessed with fair trials and their code of honour. If Littlefinger was accused, he would ask for evidence and a fair trial which would have to be given (or a trial by combat). Winterfell is the last place in the country that would suddenly lose its legal system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jquz24k-Y8&t=1m16s

wow what a fair trial.

posted about a year ago
#8 The b4nny isekai in The Dumpster

The inspiring thing about this is that anyone reading will realise that their life has just hit rock bottom, and things can only go uphill from there.

posted about a year ago
#8 take my survey pls in Off Topic

help I don't go to college and I've been stuck on the first question for 5 hours so far

edit: should have read the smallprint

posted about a year ago
#32 funny movie scenes? in Off Topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEaKX9YYHiQ

posted about 2 years ago
#23 name our team in TF2 General Discussion

PootisFazbearFanClub

posted about 2 years ago
#39 What's the one thing that grind your gears in TF2 in TF2 General Discussion

staring at a matchmaking screen for 5 minutes when i just want to play a mindless pub

posted about 2 years ago
#37 mass shooting at jacksonville florida LAN in World Events
Nick130
If everyone on the venue had a gun he wouldn't even tried to do such thing

If everyone at the venue had a gun a ton more people would have died because everyone at the venue would have started shooting.

posted about 2 years ago
#141 Insomnia63: Grand Finals in Events
DiscordFroyo was very beatable and vulnerable this LAN, they still are a powerhouse nonetheless but still beatable, as proven by the maps se7en took off froyo.

Yup, if the final map was prolands we could have been looking at a golden cap and/or a Se7en win. FROYO had closer matches this LAN than they did all season in ESEA and that shows me that EU TF2 is up there with NA and there is no skill gulf or superior meta between continents.

FROYO are not unbeatable. Se7en beat them in 3 maps. Time for the rest of invite to step up!

The future of TF2 just got a little brighter....

posted about 2 years ago
#24 best performances at i63 in LAN Discussion

Kaidus was great and we saw some super sick bombs and fat pipes reminiscent of old Kaido. Yomps was also insane, that guy is essentially a fragging machine. Stark also deserves a lot of credit for a great medic performance considering he doesn't play medic.
Most of the big names from all the big teams stepped up and that's what made it such a great LAN.

But all that aside, Habib was the stand out player for me. Before the LAN I legitimately low-key suspected he might be cheating but he turns up to i63 and plays even better than online. The dude is simply nuts and carried so fucking hard. And considering the strength of the other players on his team that says a LOT.

posted about 2 years ago
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